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How much will the nbn really cost?
Feb 14^th, 2013 at 3:45pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Broadband_Network

The Rudd Government estimated to the total cost of the project initially to be A$43 billion. NBN Co later revised down the cost in its business plan to A$35.9 billion.[37] The project is to be financed by a combination of a Federal Government investment of A$27.5 billion and private investment for the remainder.[37]
NBN Co intends to begin paying dividends back to the Federal Government in 2020, and to have fully repaid the Government's contribution by 2034.[38] NBN Co's business plan forecasts a return on investment of 7 per cent, expecting to turn over revenue of A$5.8 billion by 2021.[39]

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/in-depth/nbn-return-to-be-lower-than-in-commercial-plan-business-plan-shows/story-e6frgaif-1225973839279

THE National Broadband Network business case proves taxpayers' $27.5 billion investment in the plan will be repaid with interest, Julia Gillard has declared.

The NBN Co business plan, released today, estimates households could pay between $53 and $58 a month for a basic internet services with speeds of 12 megabits per second.

According to the 400-page business case, NBN Co forecasts an annual revenue of $5.8 billion by 2021.

So we have $5.8 billion in revenue (per year) for the nbn.

How much will the coalitions fttn plan bring in per year?

That's right - there is no costed policy.

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Doctor Jolly Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3808	Re: How much will the nbn really cost? Reply #1 - Feb 14^th, 2013 at 3:52pm Shouldnt the question be, how much will the nbn make ?
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Re: How much will the nbn really cost?
Reply #2 - Feb 14^th, 2013 at 4:40pm

Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 14^th, 2013 at 3:52pm:

Shouldnt the question be, how much will the nbn make ?

The logic of rolling out a project to sparsely populated countryside areas which have the longest payback present value is what?

Rolling out to densely populated capital cities would make most sense.
The non city areas makes no economic case.

The project has to pay for itself and it will lose money rolling out to everyone.

I would have a 2 tier system.
The optimum speed rollout to capital cities and then the rural areas at a later timeframe bit by bit.

Much more budget friendly.

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John Smith Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 74825 Gender:	Re: How much will the nbn really cost? Reply #3 - Feb 14^th, 2013 at 4:56pm Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 14^th, 2013 at 3:52pm: Shouldnt the question be, how much will the nbn make ? Fit of Absent Mindeness wrote on Feb 14^th, 2013 at 3:45pm: According to the 400-page business case, NBN Co forecasts an annual revenue of $5.8 billion by 2021
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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: How much will the nbn really cost? Reply #4 - Feb 14^th, 2013 at 5:08pm The forecasts better be more accurate than the Mickey Mouse surplus and mining tax ones!!!
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John Smith Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 74825 Gender:	Re: How much will the nbn really cost? Reply #5 - Feb 14^th, 2013 at 5:10pm Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 14^th, 2013 at 5:08pm: The forecasts better be more accurate than the Mickey Mouse surplus and mining tax ones!!! Or what? you'll move to China?
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Re: How much will the nbn really cost?
Reply #6 - Feb 14^th, 2013 at 5:16pm

John Smith wrote on Feb 14^th, 2013 at 5:10pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 14^th, 2013 at 5:08pm:

The forecasts better be more accurate than the Mickey Mouse surplus and mining tax ones!!!

Or what? you'll move to China?

Or yet again this Government will have promised, fallen short and cost us more money.

Doing a great job aren't they?

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Re: How much will the nbn really cost?
Reply #7 - Feb 14^th, 2013 at 9:17pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 14^th, 2013 at 5:16pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 14^th, 2013 at 5:10pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 14^th, 2013 at 5:08pm:

The forecasts better be more accurate than the Mickey Mouse surplus and mining tax ones!!!

Or what? you'll move to China?

Or yet again this Government will have promised, fallen short and cost us more money.

Doing a great job aren't they?

What do you mean us? you don't live or work here ... costs you nothing regardless ... stop pretending you're such a victim.

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Re: How much will the nbn really cost?
Reply #8 - Feb 15^th, 2013 at 4:40am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 14^th, 2013 at 4:40pm:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 14^th, 2013 at 3:52pm:

Shouldnt the question be, how much will the nbn make ?

The logic of rolling out a project to sparsely populated countryside areas which have the longest payback present value is what?

Rolling out to densely populated capital cities would make most sense.
The non city areas makes no economic case.

The project has to pay for itself and it will lose money rolling out to everyone.

I would have a 2 tier system.
The optimum speed rollout to capital cities and then the rural areas at a later timeframe bit by bit.

Much more budget friendly.

You obviously dont get that its "infrastructure". It will be in place when things change and grow. If you dont include the rural areas they will not ever grow and will in fact prolly die off.

SOB

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Re: How much will the nbn really cost?
Reply #9 - Feb 15^th, 2013 at 4:02pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 14^th, 2013 at 5:16pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 14^th, 2013 at 5:10pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 14^th, 2013 at 5:08pm:

The forecasts better be more accurate than the Mickey Mouse surplus and mining tax ones!!!

Or what? you'll move to China?

Or yet again this Government will have promised, fallen short and cost us more money.

Doing a great job aren't they?

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Re: How much will the nbn really cost?
Reply #10 - Feb 15^th, 2013 at 4:05pm

John Smith wrote on Feb 14^th, 2013 at 5:10pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 14^th, 2013 at 5:08pm:

The forecasts better be more accurate than the Mickey Mouse surplus and mining tax ones!!!

Or what? you'll move to China?

nAH, obviously andrei is going to get out the ol' bazuka and constitutionally murder someone!

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*Sure....they're anti competitive as any subsidised job is. It wouldn't be there without the tax payer. Very damned difficult for a brainwashed collectivist to understand that I know.... (swaggy) *

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Re: How much will the nbn really cost?
Reply #11 - Feb 15^th, 2013 at 4:08pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 15^th, 2013 at 4:40am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 14^th, 2013 at 4:40pm:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 14^th, 2013 at 3:52pm:

Shouldnt the question be, how much will the nbn make ?

The logic of rolling out a project to sparsely populated countryside areas which have the longest payback present value is what?

Rolling out to densely populated capital cities would make most sense.
The non city areas makes no economic case.

The project has to pay for itself and it will lose money rolling out to everyone.

I would have a 2 tier system.
The optimum speed rollout to capital cities and then the rural areas at a later timeframe bit by bit.

Much more budget friendly.

You obviously dont get that its "infrastructure". It will be in place when things change and grow. If you dont include the rural areas they will not ever grow and will in fact prolly die off.

SOB

Andrei is into stagnation!

All business tryhards constantly talk such shite so you stop talking to them and thus they can't be caught giving away secrets if you stop talking to them!

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*Sure....they're anti competitive as any subsidised job is. It wouldn't be there without the tax payer. Very damned difficult for a brainwashed collectivist to understand that I know.... (swaggy) *

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Reply #12 - Apr 22^nd, 2013 at 3:06pm

Only a fool will accept the NBN cost as reasonable. If there are 5 million end users, it means it cost each user 8000 dollars. That's the cost to setup a connection from your computer. How much does your computer cost? 1000 for a Mac Air.
Just can not understand how this can be.
Thanks for the nation's math idiot education.

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Reply #13 - Apr 22^nd, 2013 at 3:24pm

beer wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2013 at 3:06pm:

Only a fool will accept the NBN cost as reasonable. If there are 5 million end users, it means it cost each user 8000 dollars. That's the cost to setup a connection from your computer. How much does your computer cost? 1000 for a Mac Air.
Just can not understand how this can be.
Thanks for the nation's math idiot education.

It's a bargain buddy. Never heard of 'depreciation' perhaps?? Why don't you compare and contrast Abbotts boat anchor technology and get back to us, ayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!
Cheesy

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Kat Gold Member Offline Socialism IS the answer. Posts: 17709 Everywhere and no-where Gender:	Re: How much will the nbn really cost? Reply #14 - Apr 24^th, 2013 at 11:45pm 'Cost' is irrelevant. Think 'benefit' instead. The benefits will far outweigh any 'costs'. People need to get real, and move into the 21st century. Not one complaint against the NBN is based on fact. *Not one*!
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