Australian Politics Forum - HillSux Church the Money Machine

Sir lastnail Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 30088 Gender:	HillSux Church the Money Machine Feb 18^th, 2013 at 10:23pm Did anyone see it on ACA tonight ? http://aca.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=8612601 Quote: Inside the Hillsong money machine. How the new age church is taking over Australia by raking in $55 million a year. But where is all the money going?
Back to top	In August 2021, Newcastle Coroner Karen Dilks recorded that Lisa Shaw had died “due to complications of an AstraZeneca COVID vaccination”. IP Logged

Emma Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9853 OZ Gender:	Re: HillSux Church the Money Machine Reply #1 - Feb 18^th, 2013 at 11:26pm no last I didn't..never watch ACA on principle... but I'm not shocked... Seems people long for a leader to tell them what to do... God Church Political fanaticism.... we got'm all.
Back to top	live every day IP Logged

Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26508 Australia	Re: HillSux Church the Money Machine Reply #2 - Feb 19^th, 2013 at 5:33am My flatmate watched that crap religious TV. I think he sends them money. They own those coffee shops too that i boycott (mainly because their "yank style" rip-off coffee is crap). Seriously order an ice-coffee and you get coffee with ice in it. SOB
Back to top	Whaaaaaah! I'm a Moron! - edited by some unethical admin - you think its funny? - its a slippery slope IP Logged

NorthOfNorth

Gold Member

Offline

OzPolitic

Posts: 17258
Gender: male

Re: HillSux Church the Money Machine
Reply #3 - Feb 19^th, 2013 at 7:24am

Emma wrote on Feb 18^th, 2013 at 11:26pm:

Seems people long for a leader to tell them what to do... God Church Political fanaticism....

And, it seems, that being liberated from the 3rd world grind of chopping wood and fetching water doesn't necessarily defend us against our energized angst as it overwhelms our capacity for banal reasoning by feeding our appetite for the mystical.

Because the 'real truth' is often boring.

For some, far better for their 'soul', a ghost story told by a charismatic demagogue, than their rational application, to the premise, of Ockham's razor...

Or... Sometimes we'd rather be fooled than informed.

Back to top

Conviction is the art of being certain

IP Logged

aquascoot

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 34688
Gender: male

Re: HillSux Church the Money Machine
Reply #4 - Feb 19^th, 2013 at 7:34am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 7:24am:

Emma wrote on Feb 18^th, 2013 at 11:26pm:

Seems people long for a leader to tell them what to do... God Church Political fanaticism....

And, it seems, that being liberated from the 3rd world grind of chopping wood and fetching water doesn't necessarily defend us against our energized angst as it overwhelms our capacity for banal reasoning by feeding our appetite for the mystical.

Because the 'real truth' is often boring.

For some, far better for their 'soul', a ghost story told by a charismatic demagogue, than their rational application, to the premise, of Ockham's razor...

Or... Sometimes we'd rather be fooled than informed.

EXCELLENT POST.

of course brian houstons a shonk and a capatilist pig. he owns a helicopter, a penthouse in bondi.
but is he any worse than an entertainer like lady gaga or
one direction. people are going for a feel good experience , very similar to a rock concert IMHO.
brian is more an event manager .
look at him more as a religious "entertainer" Wink

and, so what if people want to give him their money.
no different to giving it to jerry harvey for some more boring whitegoods

Back to top

IP Logged

NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: HillSux Church the Money Machine Reply #5 - Feb 19^th, 2013 at 7:42am aquascoot wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 7:34am: look at him more as a religious "entertainer" And, as you indicate, spiritual entertainers have a much right to ply their trade as any other. But only insofar as their product remains entertainment and doesn't conceal a 'martial manifesto'.
Back to top	Conviction is the art of being certain IP Logged

longweekend58

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 45675
Gender: male

Re: HillSux Church the Money Machine
Reply #6 - Feb 19^th, 2013 at 7:44am

ACA??? please... that stopped being decent journalism and is now on a par with TT which does reports on 'free energy machines' and the like.

Hillsong gets press like this because it is big - the biggest in australia and because its musice division is the biggest in the world. Did you know that Hillsong has more gold albums than any australian performer in history? And of corses there is all that 'feed the poor' stuff that never gets mentioned.

if you want to know where their money goes then ask for their financial reports. They are actually available. Try that with most other multi-million dollar companies.

Back to top

AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

IP Logged

NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: HillSux Church the Money Machine Reply #7 - Feb 19^th, 2013 at 7:50am NorthOfNorth wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 7:24am: Sometimes we'd rather be fooled than informed. Isn't this the story of Uri Geller?
Back to top	Conviction is the art of being certain IP Logged

aquascoot

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 34688
Gender: male

Re: HillSux Church the Money Machine
Reply #8 - Feb 19^th, 2013 at 8:07am

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 7:44am:

ACA??? please... that stopped being decent journalism and is now on a par with TT which does reports on 'free energy machines' and the like.

Hillsong gets press like this because it is big - the biggest in australia and because its musice division is the biggest in the world. Did you know that Hillsong has more gold albums than any australian performer in history? And of corses there is all that 'feed the poor' stuff that never gets mentioned.

if you want to know where their money goes then ask for their financial reports. They are actually available. Try that with most other multi-million dollar companies.

true they do spend a LITTLE bit of money on outreach programs. not nearly as much as the catholic church i might add.
i dont like prosperity christianity and consider it a heresy.
there is also the churn factor with hillsong, they do tend to churn people through as true believers followed by truely disenchanted.
are they an evil organisation...not really, no more evil then the public service which pretends to be serving the public but is actually serving its own intersts.

and at least donating to hillsong is voluntary, unlike our political "hillsongs" who would jail you if you dont cough up for their evil programs Wink

Back to top

IP Logged

NorthOfNorth

Gold Member

Offline

OzPolitic

Posts: 17258
Gender: male

Re: HillSux Church the Money Machine
Reply #9 - Feb 19^th, 2013 at 8:12am

aquascoot wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 8:07am:

are they an evil organisation...not really, no more evil then the public service which pretends to be serving the public but is actually serving its own intersts.

Are you going to work via sealed roads today, or will you be using a machete to cut your way through the undergrowth?

Back to top

Conviction is the art of being certain

IP Logged

aquascoot

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 34688
Gender: male

Re: HillSux Church the Money Machine
Reply #10 - Feb 19^th, 2013 at 8:14am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 8:12am:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 8:07am:

are they an evil organisation...not really, no more evil then the public service which pretends to be serving the public but is actually serving its own intersts.

Are you going to work via sealed roads today, or will you be using a machete to cut your way through the undergrowth?

drove along a privately built motorway and paid my tolls,
the taxpayer funded road system is f'ed, too many blokes leaning on shovels with lane closed signs Wink

Back to top

IP Logged

NorthOfNorth

Gold Member

Offline

OzPolitic

Posts: 17258
Gender: male

Re: HillSux Church the Money Machine
Reply #11 - Feb 19^th, 2013 at 8:25am

aquascoot wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 8:14am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 8:12am:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 8:07am:

are they an evil organisation...not really, no more evil then the public service which pretends to be serving the public but is actually serving its own intersts.

Are you going to work via sealed roads today, or will you be using a machete to cut your way through the undergrowth?

drove along a privately built motorway and paid my tolls,
the taxpayer funded road system is f'ed, too many blokes leaning on shovels with lane closed signs Wink

Wow! Private roads from doorstep to doorstep! They're way ahead over east!

Back to top

Conviction is the art of being certain

IP Logged

longweekend58

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 45675
Gender: male

Re: HillSux Church the Money Machine
Reply #12 - Feb 19^th, 2013 at 8:30am

aquascoot wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 8:07am:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 7:44am:

ACA??? please... that stopped being decent journalism and is now on a par with TT which does reports on 'free energy machines' and the like.

Hillsong gets press like this because it is big - the biggest in australia and because its musice division is the biggest in the world. Did you know that Hillsong has more gold albums than any australian performer in history? And of corses there is all that 'feed the poor' stuff that never gets mentioned.

if you want to know where their money goes then ask for their financial reports. They are actually available. Try that with most other multi-million dollar companies.

true they do spend a LITTLE bit of money on outreach programs. not nearly as much as the catholic church i might add.i dont like prosperity christianity and consider it a heresy.
there is also the churn factor with hillsong, they do tend to churn people through as true believers followed by truely disenchanted.
are they an evil organisation...not really, no more evil then the public service which pretends to be serving the public but is actually serving its own intersts.

and at least donating to hillsong is voluntary, unlike our political "hillsongs" who would jail you if you dont cough up for their evil programs Wink

hillsong: 40,000 members. Catholic Church: 1B members.

as for the rest... it's just made-up nonsense

Back to top

AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

IP Logged

aquascoot

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 34688
Gender: male

Re: HillSux Church the Money Machine
Reply #13 - Feb 19^th, 2013 at 8:32am

sure, the odd public service department has a mission statement pinned on the wall to fearlessly and tirelessly work for the good of the public.
but i bet most of them are just concerned with looking after number 1.

private business cant operate like that.
if you DONT make the customer the total focus of your existence.
if you dont live up to your "mission statement' , you simply cease to exist.

how many public servants can say the same thing.

like hillsong, they talk the talk, but they dont walk the walk.

9 to 5 ers. when someone needs help at 7 oclock at night, better to ring a volunteer than ring a public servant at home.

could you imagine the response if a poor person suddenly needed $10 to buy a script for their sick kid and rang a centrelink worker at home whilst they're watching home and away. Wink

you think they'd go and reopen the office for you. Wink

private business, all the way brother.
enables you to show you REALLY care and arent just a 9 to 5 er

Back to top

IP Logged

aquascoot

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 34688
Gender: male

Re: HillSux Church the Money Machine
Reply #14 - Feb 19^th, 2013 at 8:39am

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 8:30am:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 8:07am:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 7:44am:

ACA??? please... that stopped being decent journalism and is now on a par with TT which does reports on 'free energy machines' and the like.

Hillsong gets press like this because it is big - the biggest in australia and because its musice division is the biggest in the world. Did you know that Hillsong has more gold albums than any australian performer in history? And of corses there is all that 'feed the poor' stuff that never gets mentioned.

if you want to know where their money goes then ask for their financial reports. They are actually available. Try that with most other multi-million dollar companies.

true they do spend a LITTLE bit of money on outreach programs. not nearly as much as the catholic church i might add.i dont like prosperity christianity and consider it a heresy.
there is also the churn factor with hillsong, they do tend to churn people through as true believers followed by truely disenchanted.
are they an evil organisation...not really, no more evil then the public service which pretends to be serving the public but is actually serving its own intersts.

and at least donating to hillsong is voluntary, unlike our political "hillsongs" who would jail you if you dont cough up for their evil programs Wink

hillsong: 40,000 members. Catholic Church: 1B members.

as for the rest... it's just made-up nonsense

where did you pull those figures from, the streetvans that serve the homeless in the cbd of brisbane are nearly all run by the salvos and st vinnies.
i would also add the 7th day adventists are pretty good and will provide free weet bix and so good to any poor people turning up at their factory in brisbane.

hillsong target young disillusioned teenagers , this seems more a recruiting drive than anything.
i havent heard of them under the story bridge with the cask wine and metho drinkers.

i havent seen a lot od cask wine and metho drinkers at their services either.
they seem to be extremely well groomed and dripping in jewelry.

and attaching cinemas, day cares and coffee shops to your mega church.

are they a religious organization or are they an offshoot of westfield Wink

Back to top

IP Logged