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Reply #16 - Feb 19^th, 2013 at 8:59am

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 7:44am:

ACA??? please... that stopped being decent journalism and is now on a par with TT which does reports on 'free energy machines' and the like.

Hillsong gets press like this because it is big - the biggest in australia and because its musice division is the biggest in the world. Did you know that Hillsong has more gold albums than any australian performer in history? And of corses there is all that 'feed the poor' stuff that never gets mentioned.

if you want to know where their money goes then ask for their financial reports. They are actually available. Try that with most other multi-million dollar companies.

So if i give a few cents to the poor and then make a song that tops the charts and makes a lot of money i shouldn't have to pay tax either?

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Reply #17 - Feb 19^th, 2013 at 9:30am

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 7:44am:

ACA??? please... that stopped being decent journalism and is now on a par with TT which does reports on 'free energy machines' and the like.

Hillsong gets press like this because it is big - the biggest in australia and because its musice division is the biggest in the world. Did you know that Hillsong has more gold albums than any australian performer in history? And of corses there is all that 'feed the poor' stuff that never gets mentioned.

if you want to know where their money goes then ask for their financial reports. They are actually available. Try that with most other multi-million dollar companies.

that's right attack the messenger as usual.

did you actual watch it ? Of course you wouldn't because you might have actually seen some poor homeless people that are being fed by anyone other than HillSux. Isnlt that what a church is supposed to do and not just keep collecting money and stash it away in a bottomless pit fior no benefit to anyone else except themeselves Sad

You know those homeless that walk the street that you never see at HillSux church raising there arms and giving money ?

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Reply #18 - Feb 19^th, 2013 at 9:32am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 8:59am:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 7:44am:

ACA??? please... that stopped being decent journalism and is now on a par with TT which does reports on 'free energy machines' and the like.

Hillsong gets press like this because it is big - the biggest in australia and because its musice division is the biggest in the world. Did you know that Hillsong has more gold albums than any australian performer in history? And of corses there is all that 'feed the poor' stuff that never gets mentioned.

if you want to know where their money goes then ask for their financial reports. They are actually available. Try that with most other multi-million dollar companies.

So if i give a few cents to the poor and then make a song that tops the charts and makes a lot of money i shouldn't have to pay tax either?

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Reply #19 - Feb 19^th, 2013 at 11:07am

aquascoot wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 8:39am:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 8:30am:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 8:07am:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 7:44am:

ACA??? please... that stopped being decent journalism and is now on a par with TT which does reports on 'free energy machines' and the like.

Hillsong gets press like this because it is big - the biggest in australia and because its musice division is the biggest in the world. Did you know that Hillsong has more gold albums than any australian performer in history? And of corses there is all that 'feed the poor' stuff that never gets mentioned.

if you want to know where their money goes then ask for their financial reports. They are actually available. Try that with most other multi-million dollar companies.

true they do spend a LITTLE bit of money on outreach programs. not nearly as much as the catholic church i might add.i dont like prosperity christianity and consider it a heresy.
there is also the churn factor with hillsong, they do tend to churn people through as true believers followed by truely disenchanted.
are they an evil organisation...not really, no more evil then the public service which pretends to be serving the public but is actually serving its own intersts.

and at least donating to hillsong is voluntary, unlike our political "hillsongs" who would jail you if you dont cough up for their evil programs Wink

hillsong: 40,000 members. Catholic Church: 1B members.

as for the rest... it's just made-up nonsense

where did you pull those figures from, the streetvans that serve the homeless in the cbd of brisbane are nearly all run by the salvos and st vinnies.
i would also add the 7th day adventists are pretty good and will provide free weet bix and so good to any poor people turning up at their factory in brisbane.

hillsong target young disillusioned teenagers , this seems more a recruiting drive than anything.
i havent heard of them under the story bridge with the cask wine and metho drinkers.

i havent seen a lot od cask wine and metho drinkers at their services either.
they seem to be extremely well groomed and dripping in jewelry.

and attaching cinemas, day cares and coffee shops to your mega church.

are they a religious organization or are they an offshoot of westfield Wink

then you are clearly quite uninformed. in fact, it seems that most of your posts on this topic are nothing more than you opinion based on a few articles and a few stray comments from people. Fact is, Hillsong and the like do a great deal of social welfare but even then, that is not the point. Where do you get off criticising a church because it doesnt do as much as another?

most of your posts are dopey and this is no exception.

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Reply #20 - Feb 19^th, 2013 at 11:10am

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 9:30am:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 7:44am:

ACA??? please... that stopped being decent journalism and is now on a par with TT which does reports on 'free energy machines' and the like.

Hillsong gets press like this because it is big - the biggest in australia and because its musice division is the biggest in the world. Did you know that Hillsong has more gold albums than any australian performer in history? And of corses there is all that 'feed the poor' stuff that never gets mentioned.

if you want to know where their money goes then ask for their financial reports. They are actually available. Try that with most other multi-million dollar companies.

that's right attack the messenger as usual.

did you actual watch it ? Of course you wouldn't because you might have actually seen some poor homeless people that are being fed by anyone other than HillSux. Isnlt that what a church is supposed to do and not just keep collecting money and stash it away in a bottomless pit fior no benefit to anyone else except themeselves Sad

You know those homeless that walk the street that you never see at HillSux church raising there arms and giving money ?

perhaps if you watched less ACA and TT then your reputation for stupidity might improve. ACA and TT are the very worse sources of factual information than you can find. they been sued countless times over false reporting but you just lap it up as long as it agrees with your perception.

you are a moron.

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Reply #21 - Feb 19^th, 2013 at 11:12am

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 11:07am:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 8:39am:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 8:30am:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 8:07am:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 7:44am:

ACA??? please... that stopped being decent journalism and is now on a par with TT which does reports on 'free energy machines' and the like.

Hillsong gets press like this because it is big - the biggest in australia and because its musice division is the biggest in the world. Did you know that Hillsong has more gold albums than any australian performer in history? And of corses there is all that 'feed the poor' stuff that never gets mentioned.

if you want to know where their money goes then ask for their financial reports. They are actually available. Try that with most other multi-million dollar companies.

true they do spend a LITTLE bit of money on outreach programs. not nearly as much as the catholic church i might add.i dont like prosperity christianity and consider it a heresy.
there is also the churn factor with hillsong, they do tend to churn people through as true believers followed by truely disenchanted.
are they an evil organisation...not really, no more evil then the public service which pretends to be serving the public but is actually serving its own intersts.

and at least donating to hillsong is voluntary, unlike our political "hillsongs" who would jail you if you dont cough up for their evil programs Wink

hillsong: 40,000 members. Catholic Church: 1B members.

as for the rest... it's just made-up nonsense

where did you pull those figures from, the streetvans that serve the homeless in the cbd of brisbane are nearly all run by the salvos and st vinnies.
i would also add the 7th day adventists are pretty good and will provide free weet bix and so good to any poor people turning up at their factory in brisbane.

hillsong target young disillusioned teenagers , this seems more a recruiting drive than anything.
i havent heard of them under the story bridge with the cask wine and metho drinkers.

i havent seen a lot od cask wine and metho drinkers at their services either.
they seem to be extremely well groomed and dripping in jewelry.

and attaching cinemas, day cares and coffee shops to your mega church.

are they a religious organization or are they an offshoot of westfield Wink

then you are clearly quite uninformed. in fact, it seems that most of your posts on this topic are nothing more than you opinion based on a few articles and a few stray comments from people. Fact is, Hillsong and the like do a great deal of social welfare but even then, that is not the point. Where do you get off criticising a church because it doesnt do as much as another?

most of your posts are dopey and this is no exception.

IN THE WORDS OF SAINT THOMAS

until my eyes see it, i will not believe.
and i deal with plenty of poor people (1000's) and they invariably go to the salvos and vinnies for help.

i suppose they could go raid brian houstons rubbish bins and see if there are any scraps of caviar or half drunk bottles of grange hermitage Wink

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Reply #22 - Feb 19^th, 2013 at 11:26am

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 11:10am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 9:30am:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 7:44am:

ACA??? please... that stopped being decent journalism and is now on a par with TT which does reports on 'free energy machines' and the like.

Hillsong gets press like this because it is big - the biggest in australia and because its musice division is the biggest in the world. Did you know that Hillsong has more gold albums than any australian performer in history? And of corses there is all that 'feed the poor' stuff that never gets mentioned.

if you want to know where their money goes then ask for their financial reports. They are actually available. Try that with most other multi-million dollar companies.

that's right attack the messenger as usual.

did you actual watch it ? Of course you wouldn't because you might have actually seen some poor homeless people that are being fed by anyone other than HillSux. Isnlt that what a church is supposed to do and not just keep collecting money and stash it away in a bottomless pit fior no benefit to anyone else except themeselves Sad

You know those homeless that walk the street that you never see at HillSux church raising there arms and giving money ?

perhaps if you watched less ACA and TT then your reputation for stupidity might improve. ACA and TT are the very worse sources of factual information than you can find. they been sued countless times over false reporting but you just lap it up as long as it agrees with your perception.

you are a moron.

instead of shooting the messenger did you actually watch it ??

There was evidence of some of their dodgy financial statements that you always say is readily available but of course you can never find !!

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Reply #23 - Feb 19^th, 2013 at 11:33am

aquascoot wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 11:12am:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 11:07am:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 8:39am:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 8:30am:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 8:07am:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 7:44am:

ACA??? please... that stopped being decent journalism and is now on a par with TT which does reports on 'free energy machines' and the like.

Hillsong gets press like this because it is big - the biggest in australia and because its musice division is the biggest in the world. Did you know that Hillsong has more gold albums than any australian performer in history? And of corses there is all that 'feed the poor' stuff that never gets mentioned.

if you want to know where their money goes then ask for their financial reports. They are actually available. Try that with most other multi-million dollar companies.

true they do spend a LITTLE bit of money on outreach programs. not nearly as much as the catholic church i might add.i dont like prosperity christianity and consider it a heresy.
there is also the churn factor with hillsong, they do tend to churn people through as true believers followed by truely disenchanted.
are they an evil organisation...not really, no more evil then the public service which pretends to be serving the public but is actually serving its own intersts.

and at least donating to hillsong is voluntary, unlike our political "hillsongs" who would jail you if you dont cough up for their evil programs Wink

hillsong: 40,000 members. Catholic Church: 1B members.

as for the rest... it's just made-up nonsense

where did you pull those figures from, the streetvans that serve the homeless in the cbd of brisbane are nearly all run by the salvos and st vinnies.
i would also add the 7th day adventists are pretty good and will provide free weet bix and so good to any poor people turning up at their factory in brisbane.

hillsong target young disillusioned teenagers , this seems more a recruiting drive than anything.
i havent heard of them under the story bridge with the cask wine and metho drinkers.

i havent seen a lot od cask wine and metho drinkers at their services either.
they seem to be extremely well groomed and dripping in jewelry.

and attaching cinemas, day cares and coffee shops to your mega church.

are they a religious organization or are they an offshoot of westfield Wink

then you are clearly quite uninformed. in fact, it seems that most of your posts on this topic are nothing more than you opinion based on a few articles and a few stray comments from people. Fact is, Hillsong and the like do a great deal of social welfare but even then, that is not the point. Where do you get off criticising a church because it doesnt do as much as another?

most of your posts are dopey and this is no exception.

IN THE WORDS OF SAINT THOMAS

until my eyes see it, i will not believe.
and i deal with plenty of poor people (1000's) and they invariably go to the salvos and vinnies for help.

i suppose they could go raid brian houstons rubbish bins and see if there are any scraps of caviar or half drunk bottles of grange hermitage Wink

so your entire argument is that hillsong is bad because salvos do more? that's it???

by your argument hillsong does more than you therefore you are bad.

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Reply #24 - Feb 19^th, 2013 at 11:34am

aquascoot wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 11:12am:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 11:07am:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 8:39am:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 8:30am:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 8:07am:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 7:44am:

ACA??? please... that stopped being decent journalism and is now on a par with TT which does reports on 'free energy machines' and the like.

Hillsong gets press like this because it is big - the biggest in australia and because its musice division is the biggest in the world. Did you know that Hillsong has more gold albums than any australian performer in history? And of corses there is all that 'feed the poor' stuff that never gets mentioned.

if you want to know where their money goes then ask for their financial reports. They are actually available. Try that with most other multi-million dollar companies.

true they do spend a LITTLE bit of money on outreach programs. not nearly as much as the catholic church i might add.i dont like prosperity christianity and consider it a heresy.
there is also the churn factor with hillsong, they do tend to churn people through as true believers followed by truely disenchanted.
are they an evil organisation...not really, no more evil then the public service which pretends to be serving the public but is actually serving its own intersts.

and at least donating to hillsong is voluntary, unlike our political "hillsongs" who would jail you if you dont cough up for their evil programs Wink

hillsong: 40,000 members. Catholic Church: 1B members.

as for the rest... it's just made-up nonsense

where did you pull those figures from, the streetvans that serve the homeless in the cbd of brisbane are nearly all run by the salvos and st vinnies.
i would also add the 7th day adventists are pretty good and will provide free weet bix and so good to any poor people turning up at their factory in brisbane.

hillsong target young disillusioned teenagers , this seems more a recruiting drive than anything.
i havent heard of them under the story bridge with the cask wine and metho drinkers.

i havent seen a lot od cask wine and metho drinkers at their services either.
they seem to be extremely well groomed and dripping in jewelry.

and attaching cinemas, day cares and coffee shops to your mega church.

are they a religious organization or are they an offshoot of westfield Wink

then you are clearly quite uninformed. in fact, it seems that most of your posts on this topic are nothing more than you opinion based on a few articles and a few stray comments from people. Fact is, Hillsong and the like do a great deal of social welfare but even then, that is not the point. Where do you get off criticising a church because it doesnt do as much as another?

most of your posts are dopey and this is no exception.

IN THE WORDS OF SAINT THOMAS

until my eyes see it, i will not believe.
and i deal with plenty of poor people (1000's) and they invariably go to the salvos and vinnies for help.

i suppose they could go raid brian houstons rubbish bins and see if there are any scraps of caviar or half drunk bottles of grange hermitage Wink

those pricks would put locks on their rubbish bins. Sad

They'd expect you to be happy with one of their weasel word prayers Sad

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Reply #25 - Feb 19^th, 2013 at 11:53am

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 11:33am:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 11:12am:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 11:07am:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 8:39am:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 8:30am:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 8:07am:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 7:44am:

ACA??? please... that stopped being decent journalism and is now on a par with TT which does reports on 'free energy machines' and the like.

Hillsong gets press like this because it is big - the biggest in australia and because its musice division is the biggest in the world. Did you know that Hillsong has more gold albums than any australian performer in history? And of corses there is all that 'feed the poor' stuff that never gets mentioned.

if you want to know where their money goes then ask for their financial reports. They are actually available. Try that with most other multi-million dollar companies.

true they do spend a LITTLE bit of money on outreach programs. not nearly as much as the catholic church i might add.i dont like prosperity christianity and consider it a heresy.
there is also the churn factor with hillsong, they do tend to churn people through as true believers followed by truely disenchanted.
are they an evil organisation...not really, no more evil then the public service which pretends to be serving the public but is actually serving its own intersts.

and at least donating to hillsong is voluntary, unlike our political "hillsongs" who would jail you if you dont cough up for their evil programs Wink

hillsong: 40,000 members. Catholic Church: 1B members.

as for the rest... it's just made-up nonsense

where did you pull those figures from, the streetvans that serve the homeless in the cbd of brisbane are nearly all run by the salvos and st vinnies.
i would also add the 7th day adventists are pretty good and will provide free weet bix and so good to any poor people turning up at their factory in brisbane.

hillsong target young disillusioned teenagers , this seems more a recruiting drive than anything.
i havent heard of them under the story bridge with the cask wine and metho drinkers.

i havent seen a lot od cask wine and metho drinkers at their services either.
they seem to be extremely well groomed and dripping in jewelry.

and attaching cinemas, day cares and coffee shops to your mega church.

are they a religious organization or are they an offshoot of westfield Wink

then you are clearly quite uninformed. in fact, it seems that most of your posts on this topic are nothing more than you opinion based on a few articles and a few stray comments from people. Fact is, Hillsong and the like do a great deal of social welfare but even then, that is not the point. Where do you get off criticising a church because it doesnt do as much as another?

most of your posts are dopey and this is no exception.

IN THE WORDS OF SAINT THOMAS

until my eyes see it, i will not believe.
and i deal with plenty of poor people (1000's) and they invariably go to the salvos and vinnies for help.

i suppose they could go raid brian houstons rubbish bins and see if there are any scraps of caviar or half drunk bottles of grange hermitage Wink

so your entire argument is that hillsong is bad because salvos do more? that's it???

by your argument hillsong does more than you therefore you are bad.

well no,
1 you dont know what i do Wink

2 i pay 100's of 1000's in tax which mite help some of the poor. i'd imagine brian houston and his barbie doll wife earn about the same but pay virtually nothing Wink

3 hillsong should recieve a tax deduction for their charitable works (fully documented).
if brian wants to be a motivational speaker and preach "prosperity christianity' (a heresy that says god has blessed the rich and wants them to be richer still), he is operating outside of a reliogion and should be fully taxed on his earnings from sales of cd's etc etc.

please document their spend on charities and their total income.
you do know brian's father in new zealand is in jail.
do you deny that brian owns a lot of real estate and please tell me how much realestate jesus aquired in jerusalem back in ad 30 (when he wasnt driving the money makers out of his temple) Wink

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Reply #26 - Feb 19^th, 2013 at 12:24pm

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 11:33am:

so your entire argument is that hillsong is bad because salvos do more? that's it???

by your argument hillsong does more than you therefore you are bad.

no his argument is that hillsux hoards money and does nothing else with it except to feather the nest of the scammer who runs the joint Sad

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Reply #27 - Feb 19^th, 2013 at 1:30pm

" ... revelations that senior pastors of the Hillsong mega-church and their families are enjoying lavish lifestyles virtually tax-free.

"Critics say Hillsong - which makes millions by routinely demanding its followers hand over at least 10 per cent of their salaries for the church coffers - exploits tax exemptions designed to help small, struggling churches."

http://www.news.com.au/money/money-matters/tax-office-push-for-charity-monitorin...

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 137508 Gender:	Re: HillSux Church the Money Machine Reply #29 - Feb 19^th, 2013 at 1:43pm ... wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 1:33pm: Someone remind me - why are we supposed to hate these hillsong characters again? Because they "exploit tax exemptions designed to help small, struggling chur ... ". Oh, I see what you did there
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