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Re: HillSux Church the Money Machine
Reply #150 - Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 5:03am

Quantum wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2013 at 5:07pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2013 at 4:56pm:

Emma wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2013 at 3:57pm:

I'm sick of it too.... Quantum you are just as responsible as SOB for these boringly mindless petty disputes...so is longo ..

you do add nothing to a topic ,,,but boring personal garbage.... at least SOB tries to comment,, and as he pointed out , YOU Q, take it on a tangent which has nothing to do with the topic.

I would definitely call you a moron.... a troll,,, and wasted space,,,
Too bad you and Longo aren't long gone. Tongue

The thing is that i comment on the topic then they start with the attempted abuse and off the topic it goes. They are trolls.

SOB

Crying again!

* You comment on the topic (and even then it hardly makes sense)
* someone asks you a question regarding what you said
* you go apeshit accusing people of being trolls and lashing out at you.

You have no interest in discussing anything. The last couple of pages are proof of that. You want to stir shlt and then cry about it. Toughen up pussy.

Liar. I didnt say it was you anyway but if you want to take the blame go for it. Answering a comment with abuse is trolling. You do it. Longy does it and KJT does it. Not just to me either.

Now do you have anything to say on the topic of hillsong?

The catholic church is huge and rich over 100s of years and hillsong did it in a few years. IMO they should be paying tax.

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Re: HillSux Church the Money Machine
Reply #151 - Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 5:04am

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2013 at 7:25pm:

Emma wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2013 at 3:57pm:

I'm sick of it too.... Quantum you are just as responsible as SOB for these boringly mindless petty disputes...so is longo ..

you do add nothing to a topic ,,,but boring personal garbage.... at least SOB tries to comment,, and as he pointed out , YOU Q, take it on a tangent which has nothing to do with the topic.

I would definitely call you a moron.... a troll,,, and wasted space,,,
Too bad you and Longo aren't long gone. Tongue

Quantum is like me. we possess a brain that actually functions with logic and education that drives it. SOB on the other hand makes the legendary vegy look like a rhodes scholar by comparison. Even Pansi posts like a nobel laureate next to this serial trolling bozo.

Just accept that pretty much EVERYBODY considers SOB to be stupid and a combination of ever Darwin Award winner ever.

Just ask him about his flight in an F1-11.... make up your own mind.

So nothing to say on the topic troll? you really dont like this topic do you . . ..

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Re: HillSux Church the Money Machine
Reply #152 - Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 5:06am

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2013 at 7:27pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2013 at 3:29pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2013 at 3:06pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2013 at 2:56pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2013 at 2:15pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2013 at 1:00pm:

SOB - why does every thread end up about you?

I'm sick of it.

Because they are trolls. The idea is to disrupt ever7y thread and they use me to do it by going completely off topic and trying to abuse me.

SOB

You dont get it yet, do you. YOU are the problem!

You try to abuse me and i call you out on it and im the "problem"? Hahahaha!

I see you have given up any semblance of the topic now.

Go away troll

SOB

longloser has a long history of trying to derail threads using red herrings and strawman arguments. Once I started an electric car thread that went for over 4000 posts full of his bullshit !! His lame argument was that nobody would ever drive or own an EV simply because he wouldn't Grin

and yet to date, I am completely correct based on the practically nobody driving EVs argument.

and they ARE available. just that nobody wants them!

There are actually quite a few in canberra. Some companies have fleets of them.

http://www.cleandriving.com.au/

Do you have anything to say about hillsong though?

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Re: HillSux Church the Money Machine
Reply #153 - Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 5:07am

Soren wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2013 at 7:40pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2013 at 4:56pm:

Emma wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2013 at 3:57pm:

I'm sick of it too.... Quantum you are just as responsible as SOB for these boringly mindless petty disputes...so is longo ..

you do add nothing to a topic ,,,but boring personal garbage.... at least SOB tries to comment,, and as he pointed out , YOU Q, take it on a tangent which has nothing to do with the topic.

I would definitely call you a moron.... a troll,,, and wasted space,,,
Too bad you and Longo aren't long gone. Tongue

The thing is that i comment on the topic then they start with the attempted abuse and off the topic it goes. They are trolls.

SOB

Which doesn't mean that you are not an idiot. You post more per day than anyone else, so far from being 'trolled', you are everywhere, commenting on everything, and invariably talk shite.

No wonder people pull you up everywhere as an idiot - you are, everywhere, an idiot.

But you don't understand.

So nothing to say about hillsong then troll?

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Re: HillSux Church the Money Machine
Reply #154 - Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 6:53am

Bobby. wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 12:58am:

Soren - you're a troll who makes personal attacks & you should be banned.

I don't condone personal attacks as I have always felt that when one resorts to personal attacks it's because they cannot debate the topic in question. But if those who did this were banned, how many would be left here?

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Re: HillSux Church the Money Machine
Reply #155 - Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 7:02am

aquascoot wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2013 at 3:54pm:

i'm quite interested in this if someone has a rational view.

sure you can take individual quotes out of the bible to say just about anything , but my reading of it would seem to reflect that the bible is really a story of

1 suffering
2 triumph through love
3 getting priorities right in that love is more important than possessions.

now the whole message of hillsong and many of the new pentecostal churches isnt prosperity but a significant part of it is.
i find little evidence for this in their doctrinal texts.
have i misinterpreted what i have read or are people rationalising to try and make themselves "have their cake and eat it too"

re the allegation that the dalai llama is not holy or likes his goodies as well , i reject that.
i think you will find that the buddhist monks take their belief in simple living very seriously.
if anyone has any evidence that the dalai has a massive trust fund or share portfolio, post away but i doubt you will find one Wink

i very rarely bump my own posts, always seemed a weird thing to do.
i have put this question to a lot of evangelicals and as is the case here, am met with deafening silence.
i think the idea of whether christianity is to be aligned with a life of consumerism or a life of charity is at the core of where christianity (and maybe the world) is to head.

from my talks to evangelicals, they see the earthly satisfaction of desires
consumerism
materialism
sex
fame
waelth
as part of their religious creed.

the buddha and jesus, seemed to teach the exact opposite
that consumerism, wealth and ego were all potent blockers to forward movement on a spiritual journey.

i think this is something that not just hillsong but all the new materialistic religions need to reflect on.
it seems that all the great divine teachers of the past, taught a very different message. not hard to hoodwink the congregation when you are selling a message like this. martin luther would be rolling in his grave. Wink

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Re: HillSux Church the Money Machine
Reply #156 - Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 7:57am

damien wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 6:53am:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 12:58am:

Soren - you're a troll who makes personal attacks & you should be banned.

I don't condone personal attacks as I have always felt that when one resorts to personal attacks it's because they cannot debate the topic in question. But if those who did this were banned, how many would be left here?

But Soren is a horrible person.

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Re: HillSux Church the Money Machine
Reply #158 - Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 11:38am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 5:03am:

Quantum wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2013 at 5:07pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2013 at 4:56pm:

Emma wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2013 at 3:57pm:

I'm sick of it too.... Quantum you are just as responsible as SOB for these boringly mindless petty disputes...so is longo ..

you do add nothing to a topic ,,,but boring personal garbage.... at least SOB tries to comment,, and as he pointed out , YOU Q, take it on a tangent which has nothing to do with the topic.

I would definitely call you a moron.... a troll,,, and wasted space,,,
Too bad you and Longo aren't long gone. Tongue

The thing is that i comment on the topic then they
start with the attempted abuse and off the topic it goes. They
are trolls.

SOB

Crying again!

* You comment on the topic (and even then it hardly makes sense)
* someone asks you a question regarding what you said
* you go apeshit accusing people of being trolls and lashing out at you.

You have no interest in discussing anything. The last couple of pages are proof of that. You want to stir shlt and then cry about it. Toughen up pussy.

Liar. I didnt say it was you anyway but if you want to take the blame go for it. Answering a comment with abuse is trolling. You do it. Longy does it and KJT does it. Not just to me either.

Now do you have anything to say on the topic of hillsong?

The catholic church is huge and rich over 100s of years and hillsong did it in a few years. IMO they should be paying tax.

SOB

This is the problem! You say you weren't talking about me. What does "they" refer back to then? Under the rules of English grammar, the "they" must refer back to the people mentioned in the discussion. So when you say "I didnt say it was you anyway" that is bullshit. I was one of the people the "they" was referring to.

You don't understand how to write and then blame others for your stupidity. Grow up you moron.

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Re: HillSux Church the Money Machine
Reply #159 - Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 11:51am

Quantum wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 11:38am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 5:03am:

Quantum wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2013 at 5:07pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2013 at 4:56pm:

Emma wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2013 at 3:57pm:

I'm sick of it too.... Quantum you are just as responsible as SOB for these boringly mindless petty disputes...so is longo ..

you do add nothing to a topic ,,,but boring personal garbage.... at least SOB tries to comment,, and as he pointed out , YOU Q, take it on a tangent which has nothing to do with the topic.

I would definitely call you a moron.... a troll,,, and wasted space,,,
Too bad you and Longo aren't long gone. Tongue

The thing is that i comment on the topic then they
start with the attempted abuse and off the topic it goes. They
are trolls.

SOB

Crying again!

* You comment on the topic (and even then it hardly makes sense)
* someone asks you a question regarding what you said
* you go apeshit accusing people of being trolls and lashing out at you.

You have no interest in discussing anything. The last couple of pages are proof of that. You want to stir shlt and then cry about it. Toughen up pussy.

Liar. I didnt say it was you anyway but if you want to take the blame go for it. Answering a comment with abuse is trolling. You do it. Longy does it and KJT does it. Not just to me either.

Now do you have anything to say on the topic of hillsong?

The catholic church is huge and rich over 100s of years and hillsong did it in a few years. IMO they should be paying tax.

SOB

This is the problem! You say you weren't talking about me. What does "they" refer back to then? Under the rules of English grammar, the "they" must refer back to the people mentioned in the discussion. So when you say "I didnt say it was you anyway" that is bullshit. I was one of the people the "they" was referring to.

You don't understand how to write and then blame others for your stupidity. Grow up you moron.

Well if the shoe fits . . . .. you are doing it now @ any rate

Nothing to say on topic then?

Go away troll

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Re: HillSux Church the Money Machine
Reply #160 - Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 11:55am

aquascoot wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 7:02am:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2013 at 3:54pm:

i'm quite interested in this if someone has a rational view.

sure you can take individual quotes out of the bible to say just about anything , but my reading of it would seem to reflect that the bible is really a story of

1 suffering
2 triumph through love
3 getting priorities right in that love is more important than possessions.

now the whole message of hillsong and many of the new pentecostal churches isnt prosperity but a significant part of it is.
i find little evidence for this in their doctrinal texts.
have i misinterpreted what i have read or are people rationalising to try and make themselves "have their cake and eat it too"

re the allegation that the dalai llama is not holy or likes his goodies as well , i reject that.
i think you will find that the buddhist monks take their belief in simple living very seriously.
if anyone has any evidence that the dalai has a massive trust fund or share portfolio, post away but i doubt you will find one Wink

i very rarely bump my own posts, always seemed a weird thing to do.
i have put this question to a lot of evangelicals and as is the case here, am met with deafening silence.
i think the idea of whether christianity is to be aligned with a life of consumerism or a life of charity is at the core of where christianity (and maybe the world) is to head.

from my talks to evangelicals, they see the earthly satisfaction of desires
consumerism
materialism
sex
fame
waelth
as part of their religious creed.

the buddha and jesus, seemed to teach the exact opposite
that consumerism, wealth and ego were all potent blockers to forward movement on a spiritual journey.

i think this is something that not just hillsong but all the new materialistic religions need to reflect on.
it seems that all the great divine teachers of the past, taught a very different message. not hard to hoodwink the congregation when you are selling a message like this. martin luther would be rolling in his grave. Wink

I would agree with your point about what Jesus taught, but not the highlighted part from your experience (but I am not doubting you are telling the truth about your experiences).

I would think that most Australian evangelicals would see the futility of storing treasures on earth. But evangelicalism can have different meanings. American evangelicalism is certainly very different to Australian, just as British is different again. Both British and American Evangelicals have influence on Australians which confuses the definition. Because of that, I'm sure that many evangelicals that you have spoken to would focus on the things that you have mentioned, but I doubt they would represent the views of most evangelicals in Australia. It is a word that is used by many, but they often mean different things these days.

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Re: HillSux Church the Money Machine
Reply #161 - Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 12:00pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 11:51am:

Quantum wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 11:38am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 5:03am:

Quantum wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2013 at 5:07pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2013 at 4:56pm:

Emma wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2013 at 3:57pm:

I'm sick of it too.... Quantum you are just as responsible as SOB for these boringly mindless petty disputes...so is longo ..

you do add nothing to a topic ,,,but boring personal garbage.... at least SOB tries to comment,, and as he pointed out , YOU Q, take it on a tangent which has nothing to do with the topic.

I would definitely call you a moron.... a troll,,, and wasted space,,,
Too bad you and Longo aren't long gone. Tongue

The thing is that i comment on the topic then they
start with the attempted abuse and off the topic it goes. They
are trolls.

SOB

Crying again!

* You comment on the topic (and even then it hardly makes sense)
* someone asks you a question regarding what you said
* you go apeshit accusing people of being trolls and lashing out at you.

You have no interest in discussing anything. The last couple of pages are proof of that. You want to stir shlt and then cry about it. Toughen up pussy.

Liar. I didnt say it was you anyway but if you want to take the blame go for it. Answering a comment with abuse is trolling. You do it. Longy does it and KJT does it. Not just to me either.

Now do you have anything to say on the topic of hillsong?

The catholic church is huge and rich over 100s of years and hillsong did it in a few years. IMO they should be paying tax.

SOB

This is the problem! You say you weren't talking about me. What does "they" refer back to then? Under the rules of English grammar, the "they" must refer back to the people mentioned in the discussion. So when you say "I didnt say it was you anyway" that is bullshit. I was one of the people the "they" was referring to.

You don't understand how to write and then blame others for your stupidity. Grow up you moron.

Well if the shoe fits . . . .. you are doing it now @ any rate

Nothing to say on topic then?

Go away troll

SOB

You're crying again and you still have nothing to say on topic.

Go away troll.

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 104688 Melbourne Gender:	Re: HillSux Church the Money Machine Reply #162 - Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 12:53pm Bobby. wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2013 at 11:42am: Longy, Quote: you dont even know what the bible teaches on prosperity or even what prosperity is. Maybe you could explain it to me? I still don't understand the prosperity message - why won't our resident Bible thumper - Longweekend - explain it?
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Re: HillSux Church the Money Machine
Reply #163 - Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 2:00pm

Bobby. wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 12:53pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2013 at 11:42am:

Longy,
Quote:

you dont even know what the bible teaches on prosperity or even what prosperity is.

Maybe you could explain it to me?

I still don't understand the prosperity message -
why won't our resident Bible thumper - Longweekend - explain it?

Yeh I'd like to hear him explain it in his own words but I suspect one word would explain it.

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Re: HillSux Church the Money Machine
Reply #164 - Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 3:11pm

Bobby. wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 7:57am:

damien wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 6:53am:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 12:58am:

Soren - you're a troll who makes personal attacks & you should be banned.

I don't condone personal attacks as I have always felt that when one resorts to personal attacks it's because they cannot debate the topic in question. But if those who did this were banned, how many would be left here?

But Soren is a horrible person.

Possibly not the only one here?

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