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Reply #180 - Feb 23rd, 2013 at 7:15pm
 
very interesting responses there quantum, karnal and longy.

i work with a several (well its grown to quite a lot ) of evangelicals .the number is grow as the recruiting manager is heavily involved in it and does tend to recruit people from her church.
i suppose my unease was mainly that these people love the very best of resturants and cars and clothes. they are certainly doing quite well (good on them) but with none of the associated "catholic" guilt. Smiley Smiley

and yes, they do love talking about how god has blessed their happy sex lives  Embarrassed Embarrassed
something i would never have heard about from middle aged catholics  Wink Wink

if indeed  brian has pulled back a bit from the american excesses than good on him.
there is certainly a large number of middle class people who want a social experience (where ever 2 or more are gathered in my name) and they want a wholesome family experince.
lets face it , we are herd animals and rather hillsong on a sunday morning than some overpriced night club meat market on a saturday nite. Wink

karnal, you may be able to answer this,
are churches like hillsong growing in the phillipines, korea , vietnam. or is it a western phenomena.

are they growing in secular europe,  and if not, why not.


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Reply #181 - Feb 23rd, 2013 at 7:15pm
 
He makes a squillion tax  free in personal profits...you get that if you serve Satan.... Smiley
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Reply #182 - Feb 23rd, 2013 at 7:24pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Feb 23rd, 2013 at 7:15pm:
very interesting responses there quantum, karnal and longy.

i work with a several (well its grown to quite a lot ) of evangelicals .the number is grow as the recruiting manager is heavily involved in it and does tend to recruit people from her church.
i suppose my unease was mainly that these people love the very best of resturants and cars and clothes. they are certainly doing quite well (good on them) but with none of the associated "catholic" guilt. Smiley Smiley

and yes, they do love talking about how god has blessed their happy sex lives  Embarrassed Embarrassed
something i would never have heard about from middle aged catholics  Wink Wink

if indeed  brian has pulled back a bit from the american excesses than good on him.
there is certainly a large number of middle class people who want a social experience (where ever 2 or more are gathered in my name) and they want a wholesome family experince.
lets face it , we are herd animals and rather hillsong on a sunday morning than some overpriced night club meat market on a saturday nite. Wink

karnal, you may be able to answer this,
are churches like hillsong growing in the phillipines, korea , vietnam. or is it a western phenomena.

are they growing in secular europe,  and if not, why not.




the pentecostal churches are EXPLODING in growth in these countries actually. Western growth is pitiful by comparison. Africa has the fast growing churches anywhere followed closely by China and Asia. Europe is almost a non-christian continent to the extent that african and asian (and Australian) churches are effectively sending missionaries there to revie the local churches.
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Reply #183 - Feb 23rd, 2013 at 7:25pm
 
corporate_whitey wrote on Feb 23rd, 2013 at 7:15pm:
He makes a squillion tax  free in personal profits...you get that if you serve Satan.... Smiley


if i thought he would sue you for defamation just to get your insanity off here Id let him know what you are saying.
but he is too gentlemanly for that.
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Reply #184 - Feb 23rd, 2013 at 7:26pm
 
Huston is a Satanist who lies on the Bible and tells uneducated people that if they dont give them 10% of their income plus an offering - no matter how poor they are, they will  go to hell...or are robbing God... Smiley
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Reply #185 - Feb 23rd, 2013 at 7:45pm
 
ooii  oi !  this isn't about Soren or SOB.

It's about how many people just want to give their money away,... to NYONE WHOM THEY BELIEVE WILL MAKE EVERYTHING OK. !
OOps

Its about suckers... and how easily they swallow the shtup they are told... 
about gullible innocent or the opposite,  hoping dreams come true.


ANY so called CHURCH is entirely suspect...   Hillsong  and the others.... 

including the oldest  of them...  not worth the anguish they will devastate you with.
YOU want to have eternal life????   Roll Eyes  Jeeezzz  gotta be somethin better than that.!!! Grin Grin
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Reply #186 - Feb 23rd, 2013 at 7:56pm
 
ahhh but Hillsong devotees like Longone couldn't care less about tomorrow,,  or their eternal soul...  they're all about now... money,  cars,  material values that find no support in the source they claim.... Christianity.

Wake up  ... ordinary devout xtians are bad enough... but at least they are honest...!!

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Reply #187 - Feb 23rd, 2013 at 9:05pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Feb 22nd, 2013 at 11:33am:
Bobby. wrote on Feb 22nd, 2013 at 11:07am:
Nail
Quote:
Matthew 6:19

    Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal; but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.

Luke 14:33

    Any of you who does not give up everything he has cannot be my disciple.

Matthew 6:24

    No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will be loyal to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and Money.

Matthew 19:21

    Jesus answered, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."

Hebrews 13:5

    Keep your lives free from the love of money and be content with what you have, because God has said, "Never will I leave you; never will I forsake you."

Phil 2:3

    Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit, but in humility consider others better than yourselves.

Acts 2:44-45

    All the believers were together and had everything in common. Selling their possessions and goods, they gave to anyone as he had need.



Good quotes Nail,
all in direct contradiction to the prosperity message of Hillsong.



Hi Longweekend,
do you also believe in the prosperity message?


Well folks -
yes he does inspite it being in direct contradiction to all the Bible quotes above.


Longweekend is a hypocrite & is forgiven.

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Reply #188 - Feb 23rd, 2013 at 9:40pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Feb 23rd, 2013 at 7:24pm:
aquascoot wrote on Feb 23rd, 2013 at 7:15pm:
very interesting responses there quantum, karnal and longy.

i work with a several (well its grown to quite a lot ) of evangelicals .the number is grow as the recruiting manager is heavily involved in it and does tend to recruit people from her church.
i suppose my unease was mainly that these people love the very best of resturants and cars and clothes. they are certainly doing quite well (good on them) but with none of the associated "catholic" guilt. Smiley Smiley

and yes, they do love talking about how god has blessed their happy sex lives  Embarrassed Embarrassed
something i would never have heard about from middle aged catholics  Wink Wink

if indeed  brian has pulled back a bit from the american excesses than good on him.
there is certainly a large number of middle class people who want a social experience (where ever 2 or more are gathered in my name) and they want a wholesome family experince.
lets face it , we are herd animals and rather hillsong on a sunday morning than some overpriced night club meat market on a saturday nite. Wink

karnal, you may be able to answer this,
are churches like hillsong growing in the phillipines, korea , vietnam. or is it a western phenomena.

are they growing in secular europe,  and if not, why not.




the pentecostal churches are EXPLODING in growth in these countries actually. Western growth is pitiful by comparison. Africa has the fast growing churches anywhere followed closely by China and Asia. Europe is almost a non-christian continent to the extent that african and asian (and Australian) churches are effectively sending missionaries there to revie the local churches.


and they all have one thing in common and that is they represent an omnipotent all powerful god that can't handle money. Always wants a little bit more Grin
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Re: HillSux Church the Money Machine
Reply #189 - Feb 23rd, 2013 at 10:04pm
 
Yes Nail:


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Reply #190 - Feb 24th, 2013 at 5:20am
 
Quantum wrote on Feb 23rd, 2013 at 12:00pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 23rd, 2013 at 11:51am:
Quantum wrote on Feb 23rd, 2013 at 11:38am:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 23rd, 2013 at 5:03am:
Quantum wrote on Feb 22nd, 2013 at 5:07pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 22nd, 2013 at 4:56pm:
Emma wrote on Feb 22nd, 2013 at 3:57pm:
I'm sick of it too.... Quantum you are just as responsible as SOB for these boringly mindless petty disputes...so is longo ..

you do add nothing to a topic ,,,but boring personal garbage....  at least SOB tries to comment,, and as he pointed out ,  YOU  Q, take it on a tangent which has nothing to do with the topic.

I would definitely call you a moron.... a troll,,, and wasted space,,,
Too bad  you and Longo  aren't long gone.  Tongue


 


The thing is that i comment on the topic then
they
start with the attempted abuse and off the topic it goes.
They
are trolls.

SOB


Crying again!

* You comment on the topic (and even then it hardly makes sense)
* someone asks you a question regarding what you said
* you go apeshit accusing people of being trolls and lashing out at you.

You have no interest in discussing anything. The last couple of pages are proof of that. You want to stir shlt and then cry about it. Toughen up pussy.


Liar. I didnt say it was you anyway but if you want to take the blame go for it. Answering a comment with abuse is trolling. You do it. Longy does it and KJT does it. Not just to me either.

Now do you have anything to say on the topic of hillsong?

The catholic church is huge and rich over 100s of years and hillsong did it in a few years. IMO they should be paying tax.

SOB


This is the problem! You say you weren't talking about me. What does "they" refer back to then? Under the rules of English grammar, the "they" must refer back to the people mentioned in the discussion. So when you say "I didnt say it was you anyway" that is bullshit. I was one of the people the "they" was referring to.

You don't understand how to write and then blame others for your stupidity. Grow up you moron.


Well if the shoe fits . . . ..   you are doing it now @ any rate

Nothing to say on topic then?

Go away troll

SOB


You're crying again and you still have nothing to say on topic.

Go away troll.




Just because the "last word" seems to important to you

You didnt comment on the topic so there wasnt anything to respond to troll

SOB
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Reply #191 - Feb 24th, 2013 at 5:21am
 
longweekend58 wrote on Feb 23rd, 2013 at 5:32pm:
Bobby. wrote on Feb 23rd, 2013 at 12:53pm:
Bobby. wrote on Feb 22nd, 2013 at 11:42am:
Longy,
Quote:
you dont even know what the bible teaches on prosperity or even what prosperity is.


Maybe you could explain it to me?



I still don't understand the prosperity message -
why won't our resident Bible thumper - Longweekend - explain it?


because you dont really want to know what it is. all you want is yet another platform for abuse. If you were a decent and rational person who disagreed with my beliefs I would explain it to you but you are not such a person. You are an idiot and a troll without the capacity or integrity to understand anything toenail doesnt believe.


Obviously we do want to know but you dont know or dont want to admit it

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Reply #192 - Feb 24th, 2013 at 5:26am
 
longweekend58 wrote on Feb 23rd, 2013 at 6:50pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 23rd, 2013 at 6:48pm:
damien wrote on Feb 23rd, 2013 at 6:12pm:
Who is this "Huston" you keep referring to?



Brian Houston is the senior Pastor at Hillsong Church..


and he is the target of the lefties for just one reason.

he is successful and wealthy.

thats all it takes for a leftie to be jealous.


Lefties? Dont you mean non-pentacostals?

The main problem most ppl have with big "ministries" like hillsong is the hypocrisy.

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Reply #193 - Feb 24th, 2013 at 7:20am
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 24th, 2013 at 5:20am:
Quantum wrote on Feb 23rd, 2013 at 12:00pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 23rd, 2013 at 11:51am:
Quantum wrote on Feb 23rd, 2013 at 11:38am:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 23rd, 2013 at 5:03am:
Quantum wrote on Feb 22nd, 2013 at 5:07pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 22nd, 2013 at 4:56pm:
Emma wrote on Feb 22nd, 2013 at 3:57pm:
I'm sick of it too.... Quantum you are just as responsible as SOB for these boringly mindless petty disputes...so is longo ..

you do add nothing to a topic ,,,but boring personal garbage....  at least SOB tries to comment,, and as he pointed out ,  YOU  Q, take it on a tangent which has nothing to do with the topic.

I would definitely call you a moron.... a troll,,, and wasted space,,,
Too bad  you and Longo  aren't long gone.  Tongue


 


The thing is that i comment on the topic then
they
start with the attempted abuse and off the topic it goes.
They
are trolls.

SOB


Crying again!

* You comment on the topic (and even then it hardly makes sense)
* someone asks you a question regarding what you said
* you go apeshit accusing people of being trolls and lashing out at you.

You have no interest in discussing anything. The last couple of pages are proof of that. You want to stir shlt and then cry about it. Toughen up pussy.


Liar. I didnt say it was you anyway but if you want to take the blame go for it. Answering a comment with abuse is trolling. You do it. Longy does it and KJT does it. Not just to me either.

Now do you have anything to say on the topic of hillsong?

The catholic church is huge and rich over 100s of years and hillsong did it in a few years. IMO they should be paying tax.

SOB


This is the problem! You say you weren't talking about me. What does "they" refer back to then? Under the rules of English grammar, the "they" must refer back to the people mentioned in the discussion. So when you say "I didnt say it was you anyway" that is bullshit. I was one of the people the "they" was referring to.

You don't understand how to write and then blame others for your stupidity. Grow up you moron.


Well if the shoe fits . . . ..   you are doing it now @ any rate

Nothing to say on topic then?

Go away troll

SOB


You're crying again and you still have nothing to say on topic.

Go away troll.




Just because the "last word" seems to important to you

You didnt comment on the topic so there wasnt anything to respond to troll

SOB



well no, thats unfair, quantum was the first person to respond to my question in a meaningful way.
you dont really ask questions spot, you just post what you believe" dogma" and you never shift your position.
this reflects a closed mind and is also the attribute you most often complain about Cry Cry

on THAT subject, the pentecostals i work with are very very sure of themselves . now its good to have self confidence , but my impression is , it goes beyond this.
they have leant me quite a lot of materials to read.
i have read and listened to quite a lot of stuff by chuck swindoll (insight for living) and i would definitely recommend his cd's

but if you offered them a buddhist text or confuscian text , they would almost explode in arrogant dismissiveness Wink Wink

the main thing they tell me, is "keep searching , you'll find the truth one day"< by which they mean their truth Wink Wink

so whilst they have good message to sell, they are blind to all other messages.
my impression is that asia , in particular, will change christianity .
the asians have always been able to accomodate polytheism. at the very least, respect for ancestors (as expressed in china) will probably need to be incorporated into christianity.
and some of the buddhist teachings about love for animals and the environment will also need to be incorporated.

its a shame jesus never spoke on animal welfare or the environment. may have made some of our present tasks a whole lot easier Wink Wink

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Reply #194 - Feb 24th, 2013 at 7:21am
 
corporate_whitey wrote on Feb 23rd, 2013 at 6:41pm:
The Pentecostal movement are a Satanic cult and their profits do not go to helping the needy any more than any  other Satanic profit based Corporation... Smiley


That is a BIG claim. You will now support it?
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