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Reply #270 - Feb 25^th, 2013 at 7:13pm

damien wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 7:10pm:

muso wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 6:46pm:

damien wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 1:37pm:

IF I am wrong, I have lost nothing!!If you are wrong, you've lost everything!!

Iff there are only two possible worldviews.

Belief in God is 1

Unbelief in God is 2 Cry

Have you a 3rd?? Let's hear it. Huh

3) belief that science is the best method towards understanding.

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Reply #273 - Feb 25^th, 2013 at 7:52pm

damien wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 7:10pm:

muso wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 6:46pm:

damien wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 1:37pm:

IF I am wrong, I have lost nothing!!If you are wrong, you've lost everything!!

Iff there are only two possible worldviews.

Belief in God is 1

Unbelief in God is 2 Cry

Have you a 3rd?? Let's hear it. Huh

which god ?

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Christians are often baffled as to how atheists could deny the existence of their god, Yahweh. But they shouldn’t be. Christians deny thousands of the same gods that atheists deny. Atheists just deny one more god than Christians do (or three, maybe).

Some of my favorites? Pratibhanapratisamvit, Buddhist goddess of context analysis. Or Acat, Mayan god of tattoo artists. Or Tsa’qamae, north american god of salmon migration.

Anyway, here’s a handy comparison between the gods Christians deny and the gods atheists deny. We’re not so different, after all. Let us celebrate our vast agreement on the non-existence of thousands of gods!

http://commonsenseatheism.com/?p=285

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muso Gold Member Offline Posts: 13151 Gladstone, Queensland Gender:	Re: HillSux Church the Money Machine Reply #274 - Feb 25^th, 2013 at 7:56pm damien wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 5:05pm: I haven't been here all that long, but beginning to see that he likes to go around in circles. Answers to his questions don't seem to sink in. Or at least he/she doesn't show it. Everybody has a purpose in life, and some kind of talent that is worthwhile.
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Reply #275 - Feb 25^th, 2013 at 7:59pm

damien wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 7:10pm:

muso wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 6:46pm:

damien wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 1:37pm:

IF I am wrong, I have lost nothing!!If you are wrong, you've lost everything!!

Iff there are only two possible worldviews.

Belief in God is 1

Unbelief in God is 2 Cry

Have you a 3rd?? Let's hear it. Huh

3. Belief in a God who doesn't give a damn.
4.Belief in a God who's dead.
5. Belief in a God who hates sanctimonious self righteous idiots who think there are only two positions.... use your imagination for the many other positions.

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Reply #276 - Feb 25^th, 2013 at 8:06pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 7:52pm:

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Christians are often baffled as to how atheists could deny the existence of their god, Yahweh. But they shouldn’t be. Christians deny thousands of the same gods that atheists deny. Atheists just deny one more god than Christians do (or three, maybe).

Very good point.
I am often astonished by the arrogance of religious people to claim that the religion they follow is the only true one, and that everyone elses is wrong. I've also heard more than one claim to be "Gods chosen people"

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Emma Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9853 OZ Gender:	Re: HillSux Church the Money Machine Reply #277 - Feb 25^th, 2013 at 8:12pm yep... and none of them are right
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Re: HillSux Church the Money Machine
Reply #278 - Feb 25^th, 2013 at 9:22pm

muso wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 7:59pm:

damien wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 7:10pm:

muso wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 6:46pm:

damien wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 1:37pm:

IF I am wrong, I have lost nothing!!If you are wrong, you've lost everything!!

Iff there are only two possible worldviews.

Belief in God is 1

Unbelief in God is 2 Cry

Have you a 3rd?? Let's hear it. Huh

3. Belief in a God who doesn't give a damn.
4.Belief in a God who's dead.
5. Belief in a God who hates sanctimonious self righteous idiots who think there are only two positions.... use your imagination for the many other positions.

Please explain "Belief in a God who's dead". That means, in my mind that you accept that there was a God! Trouble is you may think Him dead - or wish Him dead, but my God is definitely alive.

And too stupid the other things you mentioned to deserve any answer. CIRCLES!!

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Reply #279 - Feb 25^th, 2013 at 9:45pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 7:00pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 6:48pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 6:24pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 6:14pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 3:13pm:

corporate_whitey wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 12:49pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 12:30pm:

corporate_whitey wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 11:25am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 10:08am:

corporate_whitey wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 9:54am:

doers are definately going to hell unless something radical happens to alter their race to their destruction... Cool

hell doesn't exist you idiot !!!

It was an idea first conceived by the ancient egyptians to stop the slaves from topping themselves because of their sh.t quality of life. Later religions just stole the ideas because it was a good tool to manipulate people into subservience and it obviously has worked on you !!

I am afraid ever lasting punishment in hell is promised to evil doers, you say there is no hell, but the Bible refutes you. You point to references to the concept of a hell or an underworld in other cultures as evidence of it being a borrowed concept by the Bible and I say, wrong. These examples in nature and history are types and shadows of a spiritual reality that has been so clearly revealed to you that you are without excuse. The idea of hell is it is a place of punishment for the wicked, the oppressors, not the poor and the oppressed, not the holy ones, the righteous, the faithful, the peace makers, the persecuted...

i don't care what a bit of printed dunny paper says !! All of those ideas were stolen from earlier ancient religions and none them are original. You're a fool for believing that sh.t.

Watch and learn something !!

You are in error, the wisdom of the prophets is revealed knowledge and wisdom of the creator, all you are looking at is types and shadows of greater spiritual realities. You are ignorant on sacred matters and unqualified to give profitably opinions for the edification of the people and so you should be silent and learn the mysteries of God from someone who can teach you...

out of the 2500 documented gods which god are you talking about ?

So then the Christian God IS proven to be real??

how do you draw that conclusion ?

Your position is (roughly) that there is no proof that ANY gods exist, but you also said that there are 2500 DOCUMENTED gods...Documentation IS proof, ergo, all 2500 of those gods including the Christian on do exist..

no it doesn't idiot. There is documentation of santa claus and the flying rein deer as well. Harry Potter etc. Are those all real as well ??

And how does more than one omnipotent god or gods all coexist at the one time ? Can't be omnipotent can they then Wink

Quite possibly they are right noodles (and it doesn't help your case to start with abuse you know), can you prove beyond doubt that they aren't?.

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Re: HillSux Church the Money Machine
Reply #280 - Feb 25^th, 2013 at 9:54pm

The_Barnacle wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 8:06pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 7:52pm:

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Christians are often baffled as to how atheists could deny the existence of their god, Yahweh. But they shouldn’t be. Christians deny thousands of the same gods that atheists deny. Atheists just deny one more god than Christians do (or three, maybe).

Very good point.
I am often astonished by the arrogance of religious people to claim that the religion they follow is the only true one, and that everyone elses is wrong. I've also heard more than one claim to be "Gods chosen people"

No more arrogant than the atheists who claim that they are right and all religions are wrong.

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Reply #281 - Feb 25^th, 2013 at 9:59pm

I think most atheists are really anti-clericalists. In any case, they are denying the existence only of the god/s they are capable of conceiving in their minds. Needless to say, these God/s are seldom if ever the same as those conceived in the heads of people who do believe in God/s.

What an atheists is always only saying is: "I don't believe in god the way I can imagine him." It is a statement about the atheist himself, in other words, and his mental landscape.

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Re: HillSux Church the Money Machine
Reply #282 - Feb 25^th, 2013 at 10:12pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 9:45pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 7:00pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 6:48pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 6:24pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 6:14pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 3:13pm:

corporate_whitey wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 12:49pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 12:30pm:

corporate_whitey wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 11:25am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 10:08am:

corporate_whitey wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 9:54am:

doers are definately going to hell unless something radical happens to alter their race to their destruction... Cool

hell doesn't exist you idiot !!!

It was an idea first conceived by the ancient egyptians to stop the slaves from topping themselves because of their sh.t quality of life. Later religions just stole the ideas because it was a good tool to manipulate people into subservience and it obviously has worked on you !!

I am afraid ever lasting punishment in hell is promised to evil doers, you say there is no hell, but the Bible refutes you. You point to references to the concept of a hell or an underworld in other cultures as evidence of it being a borrowed concept by the Bible and I say, wrong. These examples in nature and history are types and shadows of a spiritual reality that has been so clearly revealed to you that you are without excuse. The idea of hell is it is a place of punishment for the wicked, the oppressors, not the poor and the oppressed, not the holy ones, the righteous, the faithful, the peace makers, the persecuted...

i don't care what a bit of printed dunny paper says !! All of those ideas were stolen from earlier ancient religions and none them are original. You're a fool for believing that sh.t.

Watch and learn something !!

You are in error, the wisdom of the prophets is revealed knowledge and wisdom of the creator, all you are looking at is types and shadows of greater spiritual realities. You are ignorant on sacred matters and unqualified to give profitably opinions for the edification of the people and so you should be silent and learn the mysteries of God from someone who can teach you...

out of the 2500 documented gods which god are you talking about ?

So then the Christian God IS proven to be real??

how do you draw that conclusion ?

Your position is (roughly) that there is no proof that ANY gods exist, but you also said that there are 2500 DOCUMENTED gods...Documentation IS proof, ergo, all 2500 of those gods including the Christian on do exist..

no it doesn't idiot. There is documentation of santa claus and the flying rein deer as well. Harry Potter etc. Are those all real as well ??

And how does more than one omnipotent god or gods all coexist at the one time ? Can't be omnipotent can they then Wink

Quite possibly they are right noodles (and it doesn't help your case to start with abuse you know), can you prove beyond doubt that they aren't?.

so santa claus is real is it ? How about spider man and donald duck ? Saw those documented in a comic book once Grin

you get abused because in most cases you just waste other peoples time by replying for the sake of being contrary Sad

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Re: HillSux Church the Money Machine
Reply #283 - Feb 25^th, 2013 at 10:19pm

Soren wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 9:59pm:

I think most atheists are really anti-clericalists. In any case, they are denying the existence only of the god/s they are capable of conceiving in their minds. Needless to say, these God/s are seldom if ever the same as those conceived in the heads of people who do believe in God/s.

What an atheists is always only saying is: "I don't believe in god the way I can imagine him." It is a statement about the atheist himself, in other words, and his mental landscape.

which implies that god is imaginary which is just as I suspected Wink

and you forgot to tell us which god you are talking about ?

and there is no scientific test for something that is purely imaginary Wink

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Reply #284 - Feb 25^th, 2013 at 10:28pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 10:12pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 9:45pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 7:00pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 6:48pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 6:24pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 6:14pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 3:13pm:

corporate_whitey wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 12:49pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 12:30pm:

corporate_whitey wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 11:25am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 10:08am:

corporate_whitey wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 9:54am:

doers are definately going to hell unless something radical happens to alter their race to their destruction... Cool

hell doesn't exist you idiot !!!

It was an idea first conceived by the ancient egyptians to stop the slaves from topping themselves because of their sh.t quality of life. Later religions just stole the ideas because it was a good tool to manipulate people into subservience and it obviously has worked on you !!

I am afraid ever lasting punishment in hell is promised to evil doers, you say there is no hell, but the Bible refutes you. You point to references to the concept of a hell or an underworld in other cultures as evidence of it being a borrowed concept by the Bible and I say, wrong. These examples in nature and history are types and shadows of a spiritual reality that has been so clearly revealed to you that you are without excuse. The idea of hell is it is a place of punishment for the wicked, the oppressors, not the poor and the oppressed, not the holy ones, the righteous, the faithful, the peace makers, the persecuted...

i don't care what a bit of printed dunny paper says !! All of those ideas were stolen from earlier ancient religions and none them are original. You're a fool for believing that sh.t.

Watch and learn something !!

You are in error, the wisdom of the prophets is revealed knowledge and wisdom of the creator, all you are looking at is types and shadows of greater spiritual realities. You are ignorant on sacred matters and unqualified to give profitably opinions for the edification of the people and so you should be silent and learn the mysteries of God from someone who can teach you...

out of the 2500 documented gods which god are you talking about ?

So then the Christian God IS proven to be real??

how do you draw that conclusion ?

Your position is (roughly) that there is no proof that ANY gods exist, but you also said that there are 2500 DOCUMENTED gods...Documentation IS proof, ergo, all 2500 of those gods including the Christian on do exist..

no it doesn't idiot. There is documentation of santa claus and the flying rein deer as well. Harry Potter etc. Are those all real as well ??

And how does more than one omnipotent god or gods all coexist at the one time ? Can't be omnipotent can they then Wink

Quite possibly they are right noodles (and it doesn't help your case to start with abuse you know), can you prove beyond doubt that they aren't?.

so santa claus is real is it ? How about spider man and donald duck ? Saw those documented in a comic book once Grin

you get abused because in most cases you just waste other peoples time by replying for the sake of being contrary Sad

Santa might be real....haven't got any proof that he's NOT, doubtful about Spidey and Donald, don't really accept comics as proof (they're kind of a printed Youtube), but religious texts, legends, books and folktales..those have a possibility of having some truth to them (might only be skerrick).

But nails, you abuse EVERYONE but Bobby.....does everybody waste your time by being contrary??

The thing is nails, I don't pretend to know everything about everything....I don't think there's a god (or santa or harry potter), but I'm not arrogant enough to believe that if I haven't seen it myself, then it can't be real or true, no matter what other people say.
I've never seen the Mariana Trench, or Challenger Deep, but I'm not going to run around screaming that they don't exist and that anyone who thinks they do is delusional..

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"I just get sick of people who place a label on someone else with their own definition.

It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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