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Re: HillSux Church the Money Machine
Reply #285 - Feb 25^th, 2013 at 10:34pm

Gimo,
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I've never seen the Mariana Trench, or Challenger Deep, but I'm not going to run around screaming that they don't exist and that anyone who thinks they do is delusional.

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A typical strawman fallacy.
Replace God or Elves or Leprechauns with something that we all know exists
& can be scientifically proven:
The Mariana Trench

forgiven for fallacy.

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 104726 Melbourne Gender:	Re: HillSux Church the Money Machine Reply #287 - Feb 25^th, 2013 at 10:35pm I have to keep posting dots to make the thread flip over to the next page.
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Re: HillSux Church the Money Machine
Reply #288 - Feb 25^th, 2013 at 10:44pm

Bobby. wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 10:34pm:

Gimo,
Quote:

I've never seen the Mariana Trench, or Challenger Deep, but I'm not going to run around screaming that they don't exist and that anyone who thinks they do is delusional.

.

A typical strawman fallacy.
Replace God or Elves or Leprechauns with something that we all know exists
& can be scientifically proven:
The Mariana Trench

forgiven for fallacy.

namaste

Ahh but the scientific proof for the Mariana Trench is based just on the word of the guys who've been there, and the guys who do the measuring..have YOU done the testing to prove it's there?

Go to Ireland and ask around, you can find lots of people who are certain that Leprechauns exist, they can even pass lie detector tests.

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"I just get sick of people who place a label on someone else with their own definition.

It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Re: HillSux Church the Money Machine
Reply #289 - Feb 25^th, 2013 at 10:46pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 10:28pm:

Santa might be real....haven't got any proof that he's NOT, doubtful about Spidey and Donald, don't really accept comics as proof (they're kind of a printed Youtube), but religious texts, legends, books and folktales..those have a possibility of having some truth to them (might only be skerrick).

But nails, you abuse EVERYONE but Bobby.....does everybody waste your time by being contrary??

The thing is nails, I don't pretend to know everything about everything....I don't think there's a god (or santa or harry potter), but I'm not arrogant enough to believe that if I haven't seen it myself, then it can't be real or true, no matter what other people say.
I've never seen the Mariana Trench, or Challenger Deep, but I'm not going to run around screaming that they don't exist and that anyone who thinks they do is delusional..

this post just proves that you really are a time waster Sad

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Re: HillSux Church the Money Machine
Reply #290 - Feb 25^th, 2013 at 10:53pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 10:44pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 10:34pm:

Gimo,
Quote:

I've never seen the Mariana Trench, or Challenger Deep, but I'm not going to run around screaming that they don't exist and that anyone who thinks they do is delusional.

.

A typical strawman fallacy.
Replace God or Elves or Leprechauns with something that we all know exists
& can be scientifically proven:
The Mariana Trench

forgiven for fallacy.

namaste

Ahh but the scientific proof for the Mariana Trench is based just on the word of the guys who've been there, and the guys who do the measuring..have YOU done the testing to prove it's there?

Go to Ireland and ask around, you can find lots of people who are certain that Leprechauns exist, they can even pass lie detector tests.

you can imagine that something is true but that doesn't make it true and there is no scientific test for something that is purely imaginary. Equally you could also imagine that same something not to be true and that's why something that is purely imaginary is of no value to anyone else.

Also there is no evidence that a person of the name of Jesus ever existed other than some story in an old book. As far as I'm concerned Jesus is no more real than the characters in a Harry Potter book and the claimed miracles and powers as described by the bible are no more believable than those in a Harry potter story.

Care to provide actual evidence to the contrary ??

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In August 2021, Newcastle Coroner Karen Dilks recorded that Lisa Shaw had died “due to complications of an AstraZeneca COVID vaccination”.

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Reply #291 - Feb 25^th, 2013 at 11:02pm

can you prove beyond doubt that they aren't?. [/quote]dumb question.... prove a negative???

fearful little animals aren't you/?? Cheesy

What an atheists is always only saying is: "I don't believe in god the way I can imagine him." It is a statement about the atheist himself, in other words, and his mental landscape

I think you are a little one-eyed there Soren
..like you know Cyclops>?? Grin

The hi-lighted above... what garbage is that??

If you don't believe in a god any god any number of gods... you don't have an imaginary God in your mind...
Seems pretty obvious that those of 'religious bent',.. have absolutely NO human understanding of those who aren't. I believe it's called something like..ummm

projection... of your world view onto others...?? something like that. Huh

huh??

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Re: HillSux Church the Money Machine
Reply #292 - Feb 25^th, 2013 at 11:03pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 10:46pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 10:28pm:

Santa might be real....haven't got any proof that he's NOT, doubtful about Spidey and Donald, don't really accept comics as proof (they're kind of a printed Youtube), but religious texts, legends, books and folktales..those have a possibility of having some truth to them (might only be skerrick).

But nails, you abuse EVERYONE but Bobby.....does everybody waste your time by being contrary??

The thing is nails, I don't pretend to know everything about everything....I don't think there's a god (or santa or harry potter), but I'm not arrogant enough to believe that if I haven't seen it myself, then it can't be real or true, no matter what other people say.
I've never seen the Mariana Trench, or Challenger Deep, but I'm not going to run around screaming that they don't exist and that anyone who thinks they do is delusional..

this post just proves that you really are a time waster Sad

Well of course I'm wasting your time nails....it's revenge for you wasting everyone else's time with your anti-church rantings which, by the way, are just as pointless and annoying as those of the Joeys who knock on people's doors on the weekends..

You will never manage to change a believer into an atheist, any more than Yadda or Longy will make you a believer.

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"I just get sick of people who place a label on someone else with their own definition.

It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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gizmo_2655 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16010 South West NSW Gender:	Re: HillSux Church the Money Machine Reply #293 - Feb 25^th, 2013 at 11:05pm Emma wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 11:02pm: can you prove beyond doubt that they aren't?. dumb question.... prove a negative??? fearful little animals aren't you/?? [/quote] Fearful of what Emma....I'm not afraid of anything (except enclosed spaces). I was just using nails argument against him..
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Reply #294 - Feb 25^th, 2013 at 11:25pm

fearful of what ? Gizmoid?

well perhaps you were... just like I used your argument against you..

...fearful of ???

being all alone in your head, in this best of all possible worlds, without a crutch of faith which allows you to breast the waves of doubt insecurity and fear...

why else would anyone choose to have faith in some amorphic diety, that gives you all the answers... or at least... hope.??

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Reply #295 - Feb 25^th, 2013 at 11:30pm

and you know what?? Soren ??

there is a 'religion genome'... in our DNA... if you got it, you'll more readily become religious, fanatic or extremist of faith...

if you don't have it... you are more likely to ignore/reject religious dogma.

Surprise surprise... some of us have the wiring of the faithful, some of us DON'T.!!!

To say one is better than the other can only really be considered in light of our current world situation...

and on that basis ... give me 'without it' every time.

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Re: HillSux Church the Money Machine
Reply #296 - Feb 25^th, 2013 at 11:36pm

Emma wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 11:25pm:

fearful of what ? Gizmoid?

well perhaps you were... just like I used your argument against you..

...fearful of ???

being all alone in your head, in this best of all possible worlds, without a crutch of faith which allows you to breast the waves of doubt insecurity and fear...

why else would anyone choose to have faith in some amorphic diety, that gives you all the answers... or at least... hope.??

LOL, I'm not alone in my head..the voices keep me company.

Seriously, I think you may have mistaken me for someone with some form of religious 'faith'......and you're wrong, I've been an atheist (but different to the nails type) for about 35 or so years.

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"I just get sick of people who place a label on someone else with their own definition.

It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Emma Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9853 OZ Gender:	Re: HillSux Church the Money Machine Reply #297 - Feb 25^th, 2013 at 11:56pm Ok then what I said applies tothe likes of ..... well name them for yourselves... CW and Yadda... for examples. Jeez? whatever happened to Yadda..?? Whatever .. lets hope he stays there.
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Reply #298 - Feb 25^th, 2013 at 11:59pm

Gizmo??

I play the devils advocate as well... sometimes... but .. ??

oh I don't know.. why stir up religious crap?? I answer 'cos someone should... this is probbaly not the wisest path to take when discussing religion...if we MUST.

I do it, because I think the people of the world should have outgrown this old stuff by now. You know...wised up?? Sad

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Re: HillSux Church the Money Machine
Reply #299 - Feb 26^th, 2013 at 12:04am

Emma wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 11:59pm:

Gizmo??

I play the devils advocate as well... sometimes... but .. ??

oh I don't know.. why stir up religious crap?? I answer 'cos someone should... this is probbaly not the wisest path to take when discussing religion...if we MUST.

I do it, because I think the people of the world should have outgrown this old stuff by now. You know...wised up?? :(

Why? Humans have been making up spirits, gods, demons, devils etc for longer than they've been making fire..

Maybe after the next couple of evolutionary shifts, we'll gow out of it, but probably not before..

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