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Re: HillSux Church the Money Machine
Reply #315 - Feb 26^th, 2013 at 1:15am

Emma wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 12:58am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 12:52am:

Emma wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 12:48am:

ahh .. Gizmo....

"...as institutionalised paedophilia, World domination, child sacrifice and all that juicy stuff. "

... you know the truth..
accept it and move on.

Yes Emma, i DO know the truth...and that isn't it..

So WHAT is the truth, my friend.??

Well for the paedophilia, it's not a case of being a priest makes you a paedo, it's being a paedo that encourages them to become priests, it's one of the few jobs around where you are forbidden to get married or have a girlfriend. Can you think of a better hiding place, if your urges run that way??? Right through it's history, the Catholic Church has been a refuge for men (and women) who, for a number of reasons, didn't want, or couldn't cope with the normal marriage/kids/family expectations of society. Infertile women, who'd never be married, or only to a elderly widower, weak or sickly men, who couldn't fight in wars or for 'honour', men who preferred men, or young boys. Families used to dump disabled children at monasteries or convents rather than care for them. The list is very long.

For the World Domination story. It always ties the Church to the Freemasons (as do some of the child sacrifice stories). In truth, there are only 2 groups of people who are NOT permitted to join the Masons or their associated groups- atheists and Catholics.

And the penalty from the Church side for being a mason is instant, automatic excommunication, and that's one of the few reasons left today to be excommunicated.

The other child sacrifice reasons given are Black Masses or some other kind of Devil worship....and that comes mostly from the Lutherans and the Evangelist Christian churches..purely as an attempt at bad press..

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gizmo_2655 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16010 South West NSW Gender:	Re: HillSux Church the Money Machine Reply #316 - Feb 26^th, 2013 at 1:17am Emma wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 1:01am: you also said Most of the Church's problems are simply that they think it's still 1650, the Church itself isn't actually evil (although some of the people involved might be), it's just a bit stupid. Yeah, so do you think they are modern and 'with it'??
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gizmo_2655 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16010 South West NSW Gender:	Re: HillSux Church the Money Machine Reply #317 - Feb 26^th, 2013 at 1:18am .
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gizmo_2655 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16010 South West NSW Gender:	Re: HillSux Church the Money Machine Reply #318 - Feb 26^th, 2013 at 1:35am For all I know, when the lights finally go out, we might find that the Universe is being run by a couple of white mice, or a bureaucrat with a clipboard
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Reply #319 - Feb 26^th, 2013 at 2:33am

good
...we know the Universe isn't run by God(s) ..OR their representatives on earth.

I want to say... people can believe in whatever they choose...

but bring institutions into it and pure belief is corrupted. Churches are abhorrent... are against the word of God in the Commandments, and have no veracity in the Bible..

If you , or anyone, pays $ to a church,, that is a corrupted faith.

That is my view.

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Re: HillSux Church the Money Machine
Reply #320 - Feb 26^th, 2013 at 2:46am

Emma wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 2:33am:

good
...we know the Universe isn't run by God(s) ..OR their representatives on earth.

I want to say... people can believe in whatever they choose...

but bring institutions into it and pure belief is corrupted. Churches are abhorrent... are against the word of God in the Commandments, and have no veracity in the Bible..

If you , or anyone, pays $ to a church,, that is a corrupted faith.

That is my view.

Possibly...they certainly were corrupt in the past (although mostly no more, or not much more than the secular rulers of the time)

And I don't pay money to churches...occasionally to church run charities ( Vinnies, Smith Family, Red Cross and the like). I stay away from World Vision and those sort though....I have a good idea how small a percentage of donations actually make it to the children.

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Reply #321 - Feb 26^th, 2013 at 3:14am

fair enough Ok

(although mostly no more, or not much more than the secular rulers of the time)

religious insist they work for the greater good of all... their good works are a devotion to something better...

secular rulers, on the other hand... claim no such god-given aims.. they are/were about the now !! no claims to cosmic backing...

who can lay better claim to credibility??

the church of God Yahweh... is an abomination in everything, not least becoming a church..!!
Not because Yahweh said they should,, BUT because the commandments CLEARLY SAID... anything constructed to worship GOD was abomination... UNCLEAN.

Any who built any edifice or icon to God... any worship of Him in human constructed temples were foul, and undone.

The faithful were told ... Do NOT...!!!

And so?? what did they do???
Doomed by the words of their own holy writings and commandments...

Couldn't give a .. ? could they?? the riches beckoned,, and true faith was forgotten.!!

The 'faithful' INSIST on denying their own god-given rules.... they are lost ...

Pity that.. really... could have been a workable faith... but greed.. lust for power
makes it all worthless.

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Emma Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9853 OZ Gender:	Re: HillSux Church the Money Machine Reply #322 - Feb 26^th, 2013 at 3:25am and I am not in anyway laying this at your feet.. I do not criticise or condemn YOU, how can I? You say you do not believe in the Church... that is good.. all churches are foul corruptions of religious ideals..
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corporate_whitey Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 8896 Archivist	Re: HillSux Church the Money Machine Reply #323 - Feb 26^th, 2013 at 5:51am Judgment begins at the house of God, you can see that happening around the world now.....use this as a warning and a call to turn from evil doing because if you do not the signs you have seen in the past decade and more will seem like nothing...repent everyone of you....
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Re: HillSux Church the Money Machine
Reply #324 - Feb 26^th, 2013 at 6:01am

damien wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 4:21pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 3:45pm:

damien wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 3:03pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 2:38pm:

damien wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 1:39pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 12:00pm:

damien wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 11:48am:

corporate_whitey wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 11:25am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 10:08am:

corporate_whitey wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 9:54am:

doers are definately going to hell unless something radical happens to alter their race to their destruction... Cool

hell doesn't exist you idiot !!!

It was an idea first conceived by the ancient egyptians to stop the slaves from topping themselves because of their sh.t quality of life. Later religions just stole the ideas because it was a good tool to manipulate people into subservience and it obviously has worked on you !!

I am afraid ever lasting punishment in hell is promised to evil doers, you say there is no hell, but the Bible refutes you. You point to references to the concept of a hell or an underworld in other cultures as evidence of it being a borrowed concept by the Bible and I say, wrong. These examples in nature and history are types and shadows of a spiritual reality that has been so clearly revealed to you that you are without excuse. The idea of hell is it is a place of punishment for the wicked, the oppressors, not the poor and the oppressed, not the holy ones, the righteous, the faithful, the peace makers, the persecuted...

That is a bit open ended as I am sure that there will be poor and oppressed in hell as well as those who think themselves holy, righteous (no one is righteous - Romans 3:9-20 New International Version 1984

9 What shall we conclude then? Are we any better? Not at all! We have already made the charge that Jews and Gentiles alike are all under sin. 10 As it is written:
“There is no one righteous, not even one;
11 there is no one who understands, no one who seeks God.
12 All have turned away, they have together become worthless; there is no one who does good, not even one.”).

Rightio then. So do you think you will go to hell?

SOB

NO...and not because of anything that I have done (except one thing!!).

1 thing? Thats all you need isnt it? What was the thing?

SOB

Accept the Lord into your heart believing that He died for your sins.
It's also called FAITH!!

But mocked by many!!

And stange enough they use His name quite a lot. But not in the right context!

Why would "faith in christ" make you go to hell?

SOB

Good grief man/woman - are you really for real? Where did you ascertain that from? Certainly not from my response1 just your own misunderstanding.

you said you were not going to hell but not because of anything you have done (except one thing) which means obviously that you did 1 thing to go to hell for. If you didnt mean it why did you answer it like that?

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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26508 Australia	Re: HillSux Church the Money Machine Reply #325 - Feb 26^th, 2013 at 6:02am Quantum wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 4:13pm: Good grief spot. You are a certified moron, or a troll. Take your pick. So i ask if someone is going to hell and they say no but not because of 1 thing and you say that thing is "faith in christ" and im a moron? You said it. SOB
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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26508 Australia	Re: HillSux Church the Money Machine Reply #326 - Feb 26^th, 2013 at 6:03am longweekend58 wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 4:17pm: Quantum wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 4:13pm: Good grief spot. You are a certified moron, or a troll. Take your pick. it would appear that it is not actually possible to explain ANYTHING to him at all on any topic. Go away troll SOB
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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26508 Australia	Re: HillSux Church the Money Machine Reply #327 - Feb 26^th, 2013 at 6:04am aquascoot wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 4:24pm: actually spots responses on this topic are so illogical that he should be employed by hillsong as a recruitment officer. a televised debate between spot and brian houston should see hillsong numbers skyrocket. My responses? I asked questions. Go away troll SOB
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Re: HillSux Church the Money Machine
Reply #328 - Feb 26^th, 2013 at 6:04am

Quantum wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 4:34pm:

Spot seems to be having a special day even for someone of his low IQ. Saying that Abbott was guilty of treason because labor replaced Rudd with Gillard was a whole new level of stupid. His posts in this thread today are keeping with this new level of idiocy.

Go away troll

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Reply #329 - Feb 26^th, 2013 at 6:05am

damien wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 5:05pm:

I haven't been here all that long, but beginning to see that he likes to go around in circles.

Answers to his questions don't seem to sink in. Or at least he/she doesn't show it.

you said you werent going to hell and not because of 1 thing. To normal ppl who understand english this means you did 1 thing that would normally cause you to go to hell but for some reason isnt.

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