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Sir lastnail Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 30088 Gender:	Re: HillSux Church the Money Machine Reply #30 - Feb 19^th, 2013 at 1:53pm ... wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 1:33pm: Someone remind me - why are we supposed to hate these hillsong characters again? because they sentence people to hell for not giving them material money
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Reply #31 - Feb 19^th, 2013 at 2:14pm

i dont think "hate ' is the right word.

brian is a shrewd businessman and operating within the law.

benny hinn ministries as well were very shrewd (though not smart enough to cover up the fact that many of the "miracle cures" performed on stage were hired stooges in the audience.

but the USA had to find a way of marrying greed and consumerism with faith.
the message of give all you have to the poor is a tough sell.

the message of" god is showing how much he blesses you by giving you possessions" is a much easier sell.

is it snake oil? , i call yes. its a heresy.
is it popular, damn straight girlfriend Wink

its also a sort of unofficial business networking experience , which adds to the prosperity.
so hillsong church members would hand out a lot of business cards , i dare say.
and a hillsong dentist would use a hillsong accountant and buy his car off a hillsong dealer and so the prosperity grows.

again nothing wrong with that, but a spiritual belief system worthy of tax exempt status, it is not, Wink

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Reply #32 - Feb 19^th, 2013 at 6:09pm

aquascoot wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 11:53am:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 11:33am:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 11:12am:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 11:07am:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 8:39am:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 8:30am:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 8:07am:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 7:44am:

ACA??? please... that stopped being decent journalism and is now on a par with TT which does reports on 'free energy machines' and the like.

Hillsong gets press like this because it is big - the biggest in australia and because its musice division is the biggest in the world. Did you know that Hillsong has more gold albums than any australian performer in history? And of corses there is all that 'feed the poor' stuff that never gets mentioned.

if you want to know where their money goes then ask for their financial reports. They are actually available. Try that with most other multi-million dollar companies.

true they do spend a LITTLE bit of money on outreach programs. not nearly as much as the catholic church i might add.i dont like prosperity christianity and consider it a heresy.
there is also the churn factor with hillsong, they do tend to churn people through as true believers followed by truely disenchanted.
are they an evil organisation...not really, no more evil then the public service which pretends to be serving the public but is actually serving its own intersts.

and at least donating to hillsong is voluntary, unlike our political "hillsongs" who would jail you if you dont cough up for their evil programs Wink

hillsong: 40,000 members. Catholic Church: 1B members.

as for the rest... it's just made-up nonsense

where did you pull those figures from, the streetvans that serve the homeless in the cbd of brisbane are nearly all run by the salvos and st vinnies.
i would also add the 7th day adventists are pretty good and will provide free weet bix and so good to any poor people turning up at their factory in brisbane.

hillsong target young disillusioned teenagers , this seems more a recruiting drive than anything.
i havent heard of them under the story bridge with the cask wine and metho drinkers.

i havent seen a lot od cask wine and metho drinkers at their services either.
they seem to be extremely well groomed and dripping in jewelry.

and attaching cinemas, day cares and coffee shops to your mega church.

are they a religious organization or are they an offshoot of westfield Wink

then you are clearly quite uninformed. in fact, it seems that most of your posts on this topic are nothing more than you opinion based on a few articles and a few stray comments from people. Fact is, Hillsong and the like do a great deal of social welfare but even then, that is not the point. Where do you get off criticising a church because it doesnt do as much as another?

most of your posts are dopey and this is no exception.

IN THE WORDS OF SAINT THOMAS

until my eyes see it, i will not believe.
and i deal with plenty of poor people (1000's) and they invariably go to the salvos and vinnies for help.

i suppose they could go raid brian houstons rubbish bins and see if there are any scraps of caviar or half drunk bottles of grange hermitage Wink

so your entire argument is that hillsong is bad because salvos do more? that's it???

by your argument hillsong does more than you therefore you are bad.

well no,
1 you dont know what i do Wink

2 i pay 100's of 1000's in tax which mite help some of the poor. i'd imagine brian houston and his barbie doll wife earn about the same but pay virtually nothing Wink

3 hillsong should recieve a tax deduction for their charitable works (fully documented).
if brian wants to be a motivational speaker and preach "prosperity christianity' (a heresy that says god has blessed the rich and wants them to be richer still), he is operating outside of a reliogion and should be fully taxed on his earnings from sales of cd's etc etc.

please document their spend on charities and their total income.
you do know brian's father in new zealand is in jail.
do you deny that brian owns a lot of real estate and please tell me how much realestate jesus aquired in jerusalem back in ad 30 (when he wasnt driving the money makers out of his temple) Wink

A) i doubt very much your claim to paying so much tax per year
B) Brian pays income tax just like everyone else does
C) his father is deceased

if u get that much wrong then pretty much everythign else you say can be safely discarded as well.

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Reply #33 - Feb 19^th, 2013 at 6:11pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 1:30pm:

" ... revelations that senior pastors of the Hillsong mega-church and their families are enjoying lavish lifestyles virtually tax-free.

"Critics say Hillsong - which makes millions by routinely demanding its followers hand over at least 10 per cent of their salaries for the church coffers - exploits tax exemptions designed to help small, struggling churches."

http://www.news.com.au/money/money-matters/tax-office-push-for-charity-monitorin...

'demanding' is a bit over the top. christians are ENCOURAGED to give 10% to the church which then distributes it to the poor. funnay abuot that... you never read about that.

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Reply #34 - Feb 19^th, 2013 at 6:12pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 1:43pm:

... wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 1:33pm:

Someone remind me - why are we supposed to hate these hillsong characters again?

Because they "exploit tax exemptions designed to help small, struggling chur ... ". Shocked

Oh, I see what you did there Grin

I'm just wondering how many big businesses don't avail themselves of tax concessions that are supposed to help struggling businesses. My guess would be NONE.

would you?

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Reply #35 - Feb 19^th, 2013 at 6:13pm

aquascoot wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 2:14pm:

i dont think "hate ' is the right word.

brian is a shrewd businessman and operating within the law.

benny hinn ministries as well were very shrewd (though not smart enough to cover up the fact that many of the "miracle cures" performed on stage were hired stooges in the audience.

but the USA had to find a way of marrying greed and consumerism with faith.
the message of give all you have to the poor is a tough sell.

the message of" god is showing how much he blesses you by giving you possessions" is a much easier sell.

is it snake oil? , i call yes. its a heresy.
is it popular, damn straight girlfriend Wink

its also a sort of unofficial business networking experience , which adds to the prosperity.
so hillsong church members would hand out a lot of business cards , i dare say.
and a hillsong dentist would use a hillsong accountant and buy his car off a hillsong dealer and so the prosperity grows.

again nothing wrong with that, but a spiritual belief system worthy of tax exempt status, it is not, Wink

clearly you haev never been anywhere near it or know anything of the SUM of hillsong activities. but feel free to criticise like a uninformed cretin - you are doing it pretty well so far.

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Emma Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9853 OZ Gender:	Re: HillSux Church the Money Machine Reply #36 - Feb 19^th, 2013 at 6:24pm oh good Gretchen and Roberta have gone again... wasted space ...they are. !! Got dropped on their heads as kids perhaps. I lost the Forum just before,... so'll read the rest of the posts .... But -- I really think Longing supporting Hillscum is a bit much... and his arguments??? lala land.
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Reply #37 - Feb 19^th, 2013 at 6:28pm

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 6:12pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 1:43pm:

... wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 1:33pm:

Someone remind me - why are we supposed to hate these hillsong characters again?

Because they "exploit tax exemptions designed to help small, struggling chur ... ". Shocked

Oh, I see what you did there Grin

I'm just wondering how many big businesses don't avail themselves of tax concessions that are supposed to help struggling businesses. My guess would be NONE.

would you?

Dear Longweekend,

you are forgiven for supporting the Hillsong church.

namaste

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Reply #38 - Feb 19^th, 2013 at 6:48pm

aquascoot has it right.

As in rational... that these people.... what I'll call Hillsong Corps...
have no ethical right to have tax-exempt status.

Shows what a mess our tax laws are in. Angry

To compare Hillsong Corps to any major 'church' is ludicrous... and in AQ's words... a heresy.
They surely don't believe in Jesus Christ or the doctrine laid down in the Holy Bible.. so one wonders what is their God??? and isn't the answer OBVIOUS!!

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

BUT I only refer to the 'leaders' and their 'cronies'.

The paying brethren deserve all the help they can get.!!

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Reply #39 - Feb 19^th, 2013 at 6:53pm

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 6:13pm:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 2:14pm:

i dont think "hate ' is the right word.

brian is a shrewd businessman and operating within the law.

benny hinn ministries as well were very shrewd (though not smart enough to cover up the fact that many of the "miracle cures" performed on stage were hired stooges in the audience.

but the USA had to find a way of marrying greed and consumerism with faith.
the message of give all you have to the poor is a tough sell.

the message of" god is showing how much he blesses you by giving you possessions" is a much easier sell.

is it snake oil? , i call yes. its a heresy.
is it popular, damn straight girlfriend Wink

its also a sort of unofficial business networking experience , which adds to the prosperity.
so hillsong church members would hand out a lot of business cards , i dare say.
and a hillsong dentist would use a hillsong accountant and buy his car off a hillsong dealer and so the prosperity grows.

again nothing wrong with that, but a spiritual belief system worthy of tax exempt status, it is not, Wink

clearly you haev never been anywhere near it or know anything of the SUM of hillsong activities. but feel free to criticise like a uninformed cretin - you are doing it pretty well so far.

and you know it all do you ?

according to the report and a copy of their financial statements it's all hidden behind entities that are setup as supposed "charities". The problem with churches and charities is that there is no transparency. If you took the time to view the ACA report you would have seen that this is indeed the case with HillSucks. Charities and churches should be made to disclose all of their expenditure so that people can work out what they are actually paying for and how much of it actually goes to the needy instead of paying for a f.cking arsehole's harley davidson bike and investment properties !!

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Reply #40 - Feb 19^th, 2013 at 6:54pm

Emma wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 6:48pm:

aquascoot has it right.

As in rational... that these people.... what I'll call Hillsong Corps...
have no ethical right to have tax-exempt status.

Shows what a mess our tax laws are in. Angry

To compare Hillsong Corps to any major 'church' is ludicrous... and in AQ's words... a heresy.
They surely don't believe in Jesus Christ or the doctrine laid down in the Holy Bible.. so one wonders what is their God??? and isn't the answer OBVIOUS!!

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

BUT I only refer to the 'leaders' and their 'cronies'.

The paying brethren deserve all the help they can get.!!

Dear Emma,
Hillsong believes in the prosperity message -

that means that it doesn't matter if some kid in Africa is dying the street while covered in flies -

God cares about whether you will get a new car - your prosperity.

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Reply #41 - Feb 19^th, 2013 at 6:56pm

Emma wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 6:48pm:

aquascoot has it right.

As in rational... that these people.... what I'll call Hillsong Corps...
have no ethical right to have tax-exempt status.

Shows what a mess our tax laws are in. Angry

To compare Hillsong Corps to any major 'church' is ludicrous... and in AQ's words... a heresy.
They surely don't believe in Jesus Christ or the doctrine laid down in the Holy Bible.. so one wonders what is their God??? and isn't the answer OBVIOUS!!

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

BUT I only refer to the 'leaders' and their 'cronies'.

The paying brethren deserve all the help they can get.!!

the problem is none of the major political parties have the balls to do anything about it because there are too many votes in it. The ordinary tax payer has to keep compensating for these f.cking parasites Sad

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Reply #42 - Feb 19^th, 2013 at 6:58pm

Bobby. wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 6:54pm:

Emma wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 6:48pm:

aquascoot has it right.

As in rational... that these people.... what I'll call Hillsong Corps...
have no ethical right to have tax-exempt status.

Shows what a mess our tax laws are in. Angry

To compare Hillsong Corps to any major 'church' is ludicrous... and in AQ's words... a heresy.
They surely don't believe in Jesus Christ or the doctrine laid down in the Holy Bible.. so one wonders what is their God??? and isn't the answer OBVIOUS!!

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

BUT I only refer to the 'leaders' and their 'cronies'.

The paying brethren deserve all the help they can get.!!

Dear Emma,
Hillsong believes in the prosperity message -

that means that it doesn't matter if some kid in Africa is dying the street while covered in flies -

God cares about whether you will get a new car - your prosperity.

yeh your prayers are more likely to be answered in a wealthy church in a 1st world country Sad

The christian god prefers to answer the prayers of the greedy rather than the needy Sad

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Reply #43 - Feb 19^th, 2013 at 6:59pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 6:56pm:

Emma wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 6:48pm:

aquascoot has it right.

As in rational... that these people.... what I'll call Hillsong Corps...
have no ethical right to have tax-exempt status.

Shows what a mess our tax laws are in. Angry

To compare Hillsong Corps to any major 'church' is ludicrous... and in AQ's words... a heresy.
They surely don't believe in Jesus Christ or the doctrine laid down in the Holy Bible.. so one wonders what is their God??? and isn't the answer OBVIOUS!!

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

BUT I only refer to the 'leaders' and their 'cronies'.

The paying brethren deserve all the help they can get.!!

the problem is none of the major political parties have the balls to do anything about it because there are too many votes in it. The ordinary tax payer has to keep compensating for these f.cking parasites Sad

really? the <4% that attend church have that much power?

dream on. perhaps the reason the govt doesnt do the things you think they shoudl is that there is nothing to complain about.

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Reply #44 - Feb 19^th, 2013 at 7:03pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 1:53pm:

... wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 1:33pm:

Someone remind me - why are we supposed to hate these hillsong characters again?

because they sentence people to hell for not giving them material money Wink

meh. If it wasn't hillsong it'd be some other snake oil salesman parting the fools and their money.

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