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Re: HillSux Church the Money Machine
Reply #360 - Feb 26^th, 2013 at 12:31pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 12:14pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 12:07pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 11:24am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 11:19am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 11:11am:

Space travel most certainly. The Mercury series, Gemini series, Apollo series, the Vostok program, the Voskhod program, the Space Shuttle program and ISS. And if you don't accept the possibility of life on planets other than Earth, you 're prolly a fundy christian.

You know full well that i meant space travel between planets by humans eg colonisation etc. If you have to do that to me you have nothing to add i guess.

SOB

Yeah, and that IS possible..just way too expensive right now (no government will put up the cash) but the engineering skills and the designs have been around for 50 years or so.

the problem with a mars mission has always been one of cash and propulsion technology. it costs an absolute fortune to send anything to Mars and when you add humans it gets 100times as expensive.

what we really need is a new propulsion system that doesn require a 3000ton rocket to send three men in a 1 ton capsule to the moon.

bring on Star trek warp drive!!!

It's doable with current technology, just not from a ground launch.

The main engines of the shuttles, for example are quite capable of powering a lunar or martian orbital vessel.
Build the craft in orbit, fuel it, put the crew aboard and launch from orbit.....low power, constant thrust trip. Easy

i dont think any part of that is 'easy'. not the least of which you fail to both provision and power the vehicle nor do you have a mars landing vehicle either. You could however follow the tried and true movie plot and just land the shuttle belly up on the martian surface. it would of courses disintegrate completely.

however, I fell ripped off that as an 11yo that memorized every small detail of the apollo missions and moon landings that we haven't even been back, never-mind gone anywhere else. As painful as it is to realise, the moon landings were about beating the russians and nothing more. Maybe when the Chinese do something the yanks will get off their collective butts and drive a genuine global effort to go to mars.

but please... in my lifetime would be good!

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Re: HillSux Church the Money Machine
Reply #361 - Feb 26^th, 2013 at 12:55pm

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 12:07pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 11:24am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 11:19am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 11:11am:

Space travel most certainly. The Mercury series, Gemini series, Apollo series, the Vostok program, the Voskhod program, the Space Shuttle program and ISS. And if you don't accept the possibility of life on planets other than Earth, you 're prolly a fundy christian.

You know full well that i meant space travel between planets by humans eg colonisation etc. If you have to do that to me you have nothing to add i guess.

SOB

Yeah, and that IS possible..just way too expensive right now (no government will put up the cash) but the engineering skills and the designs have been around for 50 years or so.

the problem with a mars mission has always been one of cash and propulsion technology. it costs an absolute fortune to send anything to Mars and when you add humans it gets 100times as expensive.

what we really need is a new propulsion system that doesn require a 3000ton rocket to send three men in a 1 ton capsule to the moon.

bring on Star trek warp drive!!!

maybe they could send you there on a one way trip and cut the costs in half Wink

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Re: HillSux Church the Money Machine
Reply #362 - Feb 26^th, 2013 at 1:07pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 11:21am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 6:15am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 10:28pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 10:12pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 9:45pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 7:00pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 6:48pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 6:24pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 6:14pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 3:13pm:

corporate_whitey wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 12:49pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 12:30pm:

corporate_whitey wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 11:25am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 10:08am:

corporate_whitey wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 9:54am:

doers are definately going to hell unless something radical happens to alter their race to their destruction... Cool

hell doesn't exist you idiot !!!

It was an idea first conceived by the ancient egyptians to stop the slaves from topping themselves because of their sh.t quality of life. Later religions just stole the ideas because it was a good tool to manipulate people into subservience and it obviously has worked on you !!

I am afraid ever lasting punishment in hell is promised to evil doers, you say there is no hell, but the Bible refutes you. You point to references to the concept of a hell or an underworld in other cultures as evidence of it being a borrowed concept by the Bible and I say, wrong. These examples in nature and history are types and shadows of a spiritual reality that has been so clearly revealed to you that you are without excuse. The idea of hell is it is a place of punishment for the wicked, the oppressors, not the poor and the oppressed, not the holy ones, the righteous, the faithful, the peace makers, the persecuted...

i don't care what a bit of printed dunny paper says !! All of those ideas were stolen from earlier ancient religions and none them are original. You're a fool for believing that sh.t.

Watch and learn something !!

You are in error, the wisdom of the prophets is revealed knowledge and wisdom of the creator, all you are looking at is types and shadows of greater spiritual realities. You are ignorant on sacred matters and unqualified to give profitably opinions for the edification of the people and so you should be silent and learn the mysteries of God from someone who can teach you...

out of the 2500 documented gods which god are you talking about ?

So then the Christian God IS proven to be real??

how do you draw that conclusion ?

Your position is (roughly) that there is no proof that ANY gods exist, but you also said that there are 2500 DOCUMENTED gods...Documentation IS proof, ergo, all 2500 of those gods including the Christian on do exist..

no it doesn't idiot. There is documentation of santa claus and the flying rein deer as well. Harry Potter etc. Are those all real as well ??

And how does more than one omnipotent god or gods all coexist at the one time ? Can't be omnipotent can they then Wink

Quite possibly they are right noodles (and it doesn't help your case to start with abuse you know), can you prove beyond doubt that they aren't?.

so santa claus is real is it ? How about spider man and donald duck ? Saw those documented in a comic book once Grin

you get abused because in most cases you just waste other peoples time by replying for the sake of being contrary Sad

Santa might be real....haven't got any proof that he's NOT, doubtful about Spidey and Donald, don't really accept comics as proof (they're kind of a printed Youtube), but religious texts, legends, books and folktales..those have a possibility of having some truth to them (might only be skerrick).

But nails, you abuse EVERYONE but Bobby.....does everybody waste your time by being contrary??

The thing is nails, I don't pretend to know everything about everything....I don't think there's a god (or santa or harry potter), but I'm not arrogant enough to believe that if I haven't seen it myself, then it can't be real or true, no matter what other people say.
I've never seen the Mariana Trench, or Challenger Deep, but I'm not going to run around screaming that they don't exist and that anyone who thinks they do is delusional..

Science isnt your strong suit is it? So its possible to go around the entire world in 1 night carrying billions of toys?

SOB

Science used to say that travelling faster than the speed of sounds was impossible, and getting a living thing into space wouldn't work either.
I don't know of a way to travel around the entire world etc, but I also understand that that science has found 'everything' yet.

So you believe that because it may be possible in the future (100s of years prolly) that it must be possible now?

SOB

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Re: HillSux Church the Money Machine
Reply #363 - Feb 26^th, 2013 at 2:11pm

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 8:25am:

Quantum wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 8:16am:

Post pollution! Nothing but post pollution!

Spot you are a dead set spastic. A dozen post in a row that has added nothing to this thread. Half of them are you just going apeshit at people for pointing out how stupid your question was because it is you who doesn't understand written English.

You are a cancer on this forum in general and especially in regards to this topic.

I would say that DRAH and SOB are two posters who should be banned. they are just trolls that vomit on posts all over the place. There are a lot of dumb posters on here but nothing that reaches the level of garbage that these two spew.

Yes, especially in the last couple of days. DRAH is just taking the piss on the politicians suck board. Spot seems to be on a mission to prove wrong everyone who ever defended him.

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Re: HillSux Church the Money Machine
Reply #364 - Feb 26^th, 2013 at 2:16pm

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 12:31pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 12:14pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 12:07pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 11:24am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 11:19am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 11:11am:

Space travel most certainly. The Mercury series, Gemini series, Apollo series, the Vostok program, the Voskhod program, the Space Shuttle program and ISS. And if you don't accept the possibility of life on planets other than Earth, you 're prolly a fundy christian.

You know full well that i meant space travel between planets by humans eg colonisation etc. If you have to do that to me you have nothing to add i guess.

SOB

Yeah, and that IS possible..just way too expensive right now (no government will put up the cash) but the engineering skills and the designs have been around for 50 years or so.

the problem with a mars mission has always been one of cash and propulsion technology. it costs an absolute fortune to send anything to Mars and when you add humans it gets 100times as expensive.

what we really need is a new propulsion system that doesn require a 3000ton rocket to send three men in a 1 ton capsule to the moon.

bring on Star trek warp drive!!!

It's doable with current technology, just not from a ground launch.

The main engines of the shuttles, for example are quite capable of powering a lunar or martian orbital vessel.
Build the craft in orbit, fuel it, put the crew aboard and launch from orbit.....low power, constant thrust trip. Easy

i dont think any part of that is 'easy'. not the least of which you fail to both provision and power the vehicle nor do you have a mars landing vehicle either. You could however follow the tried and true movie plot and just land the shuttle belly up on the martian surface. it would of courses disintegrate completely.

however, I fell ripped off that as an 11yo that memorized every small detail of the apollo missions and moon landings that we haven't even been back, never-mind gone anywhere else. As painful as it is to realise, the moon landings were about beating the russians and nothing more. Maybe when the Chinese do something the yanks will get off their collective butts and drive a genuine global effort to go to mars.

but please... in my lifetime would be good!

The lander is fairly simple, much the same design as the Apollo lander, on a larger scale and with more powerful engines and larger fuel supply.
The bonus to building in orbit is there isn't a requirement on size or streamlining. The reason for the size and shape of the lunar craft was that it had to be a certain shape to go through the atmosphere with out undue friction and resistance.
You can build to a size limited only by budget in orbit. Something the size (but not the shape) of a supercarrier (naval aircraft) with 6 or 8 of the shuttle external fuel tanks or more, and you have plenty of room for provisions, fuel and a good sized crew. Gives you an orbiting station to survey from and choose the best landing sites.

Most likely take anything up to a decade to build and launch (depending on the size of the vessel of course)

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Re: HillSux Church the Money Machine
Reply #366 - Feb 26^th, 2013 at 3:24pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 2:16pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 12:31pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 12:14pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 12:07pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 11:24am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 11:19am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 11:11am:

Space travel most certainly. The Mercury series, Gemini series, Apollo series, the Vostok program, the Voskhod program, the Space Shuttle program and ISS. And if you don't accept the possibility of life on planets other than Earth, you 're prolly a fundy christian.

You know full well that i meant space travel between planets by humans eg colonisation etc. If you have to do that to me you have nothing to add i guess.

SOB

Yeah, and that IS possible..just way too expensive right now (no government will put up the cash) but the engineering skills and the designs have been around for 50 years or so.

the problem with a mars mission has always been one of cash and propulsion technology. it costs an absolute fortune to send anything to Mars and when you add humans it gets 100times as expensive.

what we really need is a new propulsion system that doesn require a 3000ton rocket to send three men in a 1 ton capsule to the moon.

bring on Star trek warp drive!!!

It's doable with current technology, just not from a ground launch.

The main engines of the shuttles, for example are quite capable of powering a lunar or martian orbital vessel.
Build the craft in orbit, fuel it, put the crew aboard and launch from orbit.....low power, constant thrust trip. Easy

i dont think any part of that is 'easy'. not the least of which you fail to both provision and power the vehicle nor do you have a mars landing vehicle either. You could however follow the tried and true movie plot and just land the shuttle belly up on the martian surface. it would of courses disintegrate completely.

however, I fell ripped off that as an 11yo that memorized every small detail of the apollo missions and moon landings that we haven't even been back, never-mind gone anywhere else. As painful as it is to realise, the moon landings were about beating the russians and nothing more. Maybe when the Chinese do something the yanks will get off their collective butts and drive a genuine global effort to go to mars.

but please... in my lifetime would be good!

The lander is fairly simple, much the same design as the Apollo lander, on a larger scale and with more powerful engines and larger fuel supply.
The bonus to building in orbit is there isn't a requirement on size or streamlining. The reason for the size and shape of the lunar craft was that it had to be a certain shape to go through the atmosphere with out undue friction and resistance.
You can build to a size limited only by budget in orbit. Something the size (but not the shape) of a supercarrier (naval aircraft) with 6 or 8 of the shuttle external fuel tanks or more, and you have plenty of room for provisions, fuel and a good sized crew. Gives you an orbiting station to survey from and choose the best landing sites.

Most likely take anything up to a decade to build and launch (depending on the size of the vessel of course)

i think it is the $400B price tage that is the stumbling block although, they have apparently spent that much money on developing the F35 (which is astonishing). I know what I'd rather have.

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Re: HillSux Church the Money Machine
Reply #367 - Feb 26^th, 2013 at 3:27pm

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 9:41am:

The problem with faith is that it is unexplainable, but when you experience it, it is undeniable. No book, movie or youtube video will ever explain it and no cynic can ever rebutt what you know. It is a conundrum to those outside but pure truth to those inside.

I know exactly what you mean by faith. The only problem is that there is a wide variety of different experiences and "truths" that come from faith - and those "truths" are not always compatible.

Faith is quite distinct from belief. It's more like an internal sense of "drive" or "exhortation".

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Re: HillSux Church the Money Machine
Reply #369 - Feb 26^th, 2013 at 3:49pm

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 26^th, 2013 at 3:24pm: