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Re: HillSux Church the Money Machine
Reply #75 - Feb 20^th, 2013 at 12:18pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Feb 20^th, 2013 at 7:49am:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 20^th, 2013 at 7:06am:

let me go on the record and say i am NOT that opposed to hillsong.
only to it pretending to be something its not.

That can be said of many institutions other than neo-Christian ones. Do large corporations not pretend to primarily have your welfare at heart when really, of course, its profit (/prophet??!!) that drives their motivation?

aquascoot wrote on Feb 20^th, 2013 at 7:06am:

as an example, i came across a group of christian surfers at noosa one day, praying on the beach , surfing together, great looking kids, almostlooked like a gathering of the "hitler youth" in 1935.
note the hillsong congregations also do the nazi salute with the raised arms in the air.

That's an unjustified comparison. You can't seriously believe that Hillsong is analogous to Nazism.

As all clear thinking atheists must admit, the instinct to have (blind) faith in the reality of the 'avatars of the mythos' will always manifest in some. From my personal experience of those, the most likely to be acutely infected by an ersatz religiosity are those whose religious BS detector is undeveloped (i.e. who have no deep understanding of the religious as a result of early age indoctrination).

north, that was a tongue in cheek comparison and in no way meant to imply that hillsong youth have a sinister future like the hitler youth.
i do like the nazi salute at hillsong though . this is also evident at rock concerts. i wonder why people feel the need to "put their hand up in the air" Cheesy

i agree longy that that figure seemed way over the top to me.
it was the figure from the herald sun article on hillsong. i believe it is wrong
it sounded too high for me, if it is truly 31 billion as the article says, Embarrassed

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http://www.heraldsun.com.au/money/money-matters/tax-office-push-for-charity-monitoring/story-fn312ws8-1225896551630

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/money/money-matters/tax-office-push-for-charity-moni...

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Reply #76 - Feb 20^th, 2013 at 1:38pm

I have no problem with Hillsong, they inspires a lot of people around the world to do good. People follow them because they are passionate. I think Brian Houston is a great guy - and I am not a Christian.

Every year there is some 'expose' and nudge nudge but they never come up with anything except that Brian Huston wears well-cut jackets and he has a big motorbike.

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Reply #77 - Feb 20^th, 2013 at 3:03pm

Soren wrote on Feb 20^th, 2013 at 1:38pm:

I have no problem with Hillsong, they inspires a lot of people around the world to do good. People follow them because they are passionate. I think Brian Houston is a great guy - and I am not a Christian.

Every year there is some 'expose' and nudge nudge but they never come up with anything except that Brian Huston wears well-cut jackets and he has a big motorbike.

the dalai llama also inspires a lot of people around the world to do good. people follow him because he is passionate. i think the dalai llama is a great guy.
he doesnt have well tailored suits or a motorbike Wink

if you read the texts he purports to represent one can see that he "lives" the words of his dhama (sacred text) very precisely.
if we read the words of the texts brian purports to represent, can we say the same.
is brain and his congregation (or indeed 99 % of christians) "living" the word of their sacred text????????????? Undecided

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Reply #78 - Feb 20^th, 2013 at 3:12pm

Would have been interesting to have seen the figures that they claim to have got hold of. All I saw was a sheet of paper with numbers on it - anyone could do that. No headings as to what any of those figures were alluding to. No letterhead. Just a media beat up once again.
There were a number of areas that ACA was wrong in - and I am awaiting their reply to my email pointing them out.

Disclaimer - Not a Hillsong member. Have never been a Hillsong member. Do not have any family ties with Hillsong. Just one who belies that the truth should be shown in ALL things.

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Reply #79 - Feb 20^th, 2013 at 3:15pm

aquascoot wrote on Feb 20^th, 2013 at 3:03pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 20^th, 2013 at 1:38pm:

I have no problem with Hillsong, they inspires a lot of people around the world to do good. People follow them because they are passionate. I think Brian Houston is a great guy - and I am not a Christian.

Every year there is some 'expose' and nudge nudge but they never come up with anything except that Brian Huston wears well-cut jackets and he has a big motorbike.

the dalai llama also inspires a lot of people around the world to do good. people follow him because he is passionate. i think the dalai llama is a great guy.
he doesnt have well tailored suits or a motorbike Wink

if you read the texts he purports to represent one can see that he "lives" the words of his dhama (sacred text) very precisely.
if we read the words of the texts brian purports to represent, can we say the same.
is brain and his congregation (or indeed 99 % of christians) "living" the word of their sacred text????????????? Undecided

Come on, get real. The guy has a leather jacket and a motorbike. A Harley at that. Gee, one of my local doctors has a Harley. And I have a nephew who also owns a Harley. What are you and the media now going to make out of that??
Oh, and what about all those other Harley bike owners?

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Reply #80 - Feb 20^th, 2013 at 3:19pm

aquascoot wrote on Feb 20^th, 2013 at 3:03pm:

the dalai llama also inspires a lot of people around the world to do good. people follow him because he is passionate. i think the dalai llama is a great guy.
he doesnt have well tailored suits or a motorbike Wink

The Dalai Lama is not all that humble. He is addressed as "His Holiness" - and I don't see him correcting people as to that. He accepts that title as he believes that he is holy. Not so!!
http://www.dalailama.com/

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Reply #81 - Feb 20^th, 2013 at 3:29pm

damien wrote on Feb 20^th, 2013 at 3:19pm:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 20^th, 2013 at 3:03pm:

the dalai llama also inspires a lot of people around the world to do good. people follow him because he is passionate. i think the dalai llama is a great guy.
he doesnt have well tailored suits or a motorbike Wink

The Dalai Lama is not all that humble. He is addressed as "His Holiness" - and I don't see him correcting people as to that. He accepts that title as he believes that he is holy. Not so!!
http://www.dalailama.com/

How do you know he isnt "holy"?

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Reply #82 - Feb 20^th, 2013 at 4:18pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 20^th, 2013 at 3:29pm:

damien wrote on Feb 20^th, 2013 at 3:19pm:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 20^th, 2013 at 3:03pm:

the dalai llama also inspires a lot of people around the world to do good. people follow him because he is passionate. i think the dalai llama is a great guy.
he doesnt have well tailored suits or a motorbike Wink

The Dalai Lama is not all that humble. He is addressed as "His Holiness" - and I don't see him correcting people as to that. He accepts that title as he believes that he is holy. Not so!!
http://www.dalailama.com/

How do you know he isnt "holy"?

SOB

Is this a rheotorical question out of boredom - or do you really want to know and can handle it?

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Re: HillSux Church the Money Machine
Reply #83 - Feb 20^th, 2013 at 4:31pm

damien wrote on Feb 20^th, 2013 at 4:18pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 20^th, 2013 at 3:29pm:

damien wrote on Feb 20^th, 2013 at 3:19pm:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 20^th, 2013 at 3:03pm:

the dalai llama also inspires a lot of people around the world to do good. people follow him because he is passionate. i think the dalai llama is a great guy.
he doesnt have well tailored suits or a motorbike Wink

The Dalai Lama is not all that humble. He is addressed as "His Holiness" - and I don't see him correcting people as to that. He accepts that title as he believes that he is holy. Not so!!
http://www.dalailama.com/

How do you know he isnt "holy"?

SOB

Is this a rheotorical question out of boredom - or do you really want to know and can handle it?

Neither. I know your answer - yours is the only "true" religion.

SOB

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Reply #84 - Feb 20^th, 2013 at 5:21pm

KJT1981 wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 8:08pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 7:29pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 6:58pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 6:54pm:

Emma wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 6:48pm:

aquascoot has it right.

As in rational... that these people.... what I'll call Hillsong Corps...
have no ethical right to have tax-exempt status.

Shows what a mess our tax laws are in. Angry

To compare Hillsong Corps to any major 'church' is ludicrous... and in AQ's words... a heresy.
They surely don't believe in Jesus Christ or the doctrine laid down in the Holy Bible.. so one wonders what is their God??? and isn't the answer OBVIOUS!!

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

BUT I only refer to the 'leaders' and their 'cronies'.

The paying brethren deserve all the help they can get.!!

Dear Emma,
Hillsong believes in the prosperity message -

that means that it doesn't matter if some kid in Africa is dying the street while covered in flies -

God cares about whether you will get a new car - your prosperity.

yeh your prayers are more likely to be answered in a wealthy church in a 1st world country Sad

The christian god prefers to answer the prayers of the greedy rather than the needy Sad

Yes Nail,
that's why Hillsong sucks.

Yes nails, no nails, three bags full nails, meet me tonight round the corner nails.

Very funny - you hate it when I agree with Nail's. Grin

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Reply #85 - Feb 20^th, 2013 at 7:59pm

Bobby. wrote on Feb 20^th, 2013 at 5:21pm:

KJT1981 wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 8:08pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 7:29pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 6:58pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 6:54pm:

Emma wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 6:48pm:

aquascoot has it right.

As in rational... that these people.... what I'll call Hillsong Corps...
have no ethical right to have tax-exempt status.

Shows what a mess our tax laws are in. Angry

To compare Hillsong Corps to any major 'church' is ludicrous... and in AQ's words... a heresy.
They surely don't believe in Jesus Christ or the doctrine laid down in the Holy Bible.. so one wonders what is their God??? and isn't the answer OBVIOUS!!

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

BUT I only refer to the 'leaders' and their 'cronies'.

The paying brethren deserve all the help they can get.!!

Dear Emma,
Hillsong believes in the prosperity message -

that means that it doesn't matter if some kid in Africa is dying the street while covered in flies -

God cares about whether you will get a new car - your prosperity.

yeh your prayers are more likely to be answered in a wealthy church in a 1st world country Sad

The christian god prefers to answer the prayers of the greedy rather than the needy Sad

Yes Nail,
that's why Hillsong sucks.

Yes nails, no nails, three bags full nails, meet me tonight round the corner nails.

Very funny - you hate it when I agree with Nail's. Grin

no... we laugh amd mock you for being in love with nail.

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Reply #87 - Feb 20^th, 2013 at 9:02pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 20^th, 2013 at 4:31pm:

damien wrote on Feb 20^th, 2013 at 4:18pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 20^th, 2013 at 3:29pm:

damien wrote on Feb 20^th, 2013 at 3:19pm:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 20^th, 2013 at 3:03pm:

the dalai llama also inspires a lot of people around the world to do good. people follow him because he is passionate. i think the dalai llama is a great guy.
he doesnt have well tailored suits or a motorbike Wink

The Dalai Lama is not all that humble. He is addressed as "His Holiness" - and I don't see him correcting people as to that. He accepts that title as he believes that he is holy. Not so!!
http://www.dalailama.com/

How do you know he isnt "holy"?

SOB

Is this a rheotorical question out of boredom - or do you really want to know and can handle it?

Neither. I know your answer - yours is the only "true" religion.

SOB

Gee, if you "know" the answer, one would wonder why you asked the question.

But, believe it or not, that was not going to be my answer.

I don't think that you are capable of accepting it?

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Reply #88 - Feb 20^th, 2013 at 9:28pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 20^th, 2013 at 4:31pm:

damien wrote on Feb 20^th, 2013 at 4:18pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 20^th, 2013 at 3:29pm:

damien wrote on Feb 20^th, 2013 at 3:19pm:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 20^th, 2013 at 3:03pm:

the dalai llama also inspires a lot of people around the world to do good. people follow him because he is passionate. i think the dalai llama is a great guy.
he doesnt have well tailored suits or a motorbike Wink

The Dalai Lama is not all that humble. He is addressed as "His Holiness" - and I don't see him correcting people as to that. He accepts that title as he believes that he is holy. Not so!!
http://www.dalailama.com/

How do you know he isnt "holy"?

SOB

Is this a rheotorical question out of boredom - or do you really want to know and can handle it?

Neither. I know your answer - yours is the only "true" religion.

SOB

Why are you such a peerless, phosphorescent idiot?

Don't say anything.

I know the answer.

You know the answer.

We know the answer.

Which countries?

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Reply #89 - Feb 20^th, 2013 at 10:58pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 20^th, 2013 at 5:42am:

Emma wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 10:23pm:

as a youngun .. in Bris... Like teens ... OK? -mid 70's !!

my boyfriend and I were accosted as we walked past a doorway leading upstairs, above a shop in Albert St (?) anyway,, still mid CBD Bris... ( we were both wearing tie-dye .. I had a long wraparound skirt)

a youngish person, .. bit like us, (I noticed his eyes particularly) .. asked us if we were interested in learning more about ourselves..
our real personalities.... selves ???
- we could have a free 'PERSONALITY ASSESSMENT'... all we had to do was go upstairs and answer q's ..on a 'personality assessment' questionnaire.

My friend, who was a trusting soul was yeah OK... why not??

I didn't like it at all, so ..... no mate, its a bs con... not interested thanks anyway...

bugger !! could have been a biggie in Scientology by now.!!! Grin

Some yrs later, in diff circumstances ,.. met a young man,..played guitar real good ...and sang about Jesus.!!

Had those same eyes..!!!!.

Haha a group of us actually went in. They gave us the "lie detector" thing and told us we needed more "therapy". It killed the time between sessions. I wonder if i saw you around in those days?

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ahhh you never know....

not impossible..

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