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Reply #30 - Feb 19^th, 2013 at 4:58pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 4:56pm:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 4:47pm:

Swagman wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 12:19pm:

David Bradbury is the Assistant Treasurer but as the MP for Lindsay he might be out of a job come Sept 14.

He was also promoted after Rudd got knifed for the second time suggesting he's a Gillard lackey.... Huh

i thought that guy was our gold medal winning ice skater.
then again, they did recruit kneebone, Wink

I thought he was a fiction writer.

Undecided

should be an easy transition to labor treasurer then

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Reply #31 - Feb 19^th, 2013 at 6:52pm

Rider wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 3:29pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 1:12pm:

Rider wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 1:09pm:

No matter what Rudd does, Joe Hockey will be Treasurer Grin

what a disaster that will be.

What do you base this on? You may well be correct, he may well be a disaster, but surely someone actually has to be in the role before you can critically make this assessment?

Watched an interview once where he admitted he got put in a portfolio he had no idea about (under Howard) ... he even admitted to being grateful when they took it if him. He's a nice enough guy, but he hasn't got what it takes .

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: If Rudd becomes leader, who becomes treasuer Reply #33 - Feb 19^th, 2013 at 7:20pm Rudd should be PM, Treasurer and Foreign Minister. Anything less would be questioning his ability
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Reply #34 - Feb 19^th, 2013 at 7:28pm

aquascoot wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 4:58pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 4:56pm:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 4:47pm:

Swagman wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 12:19pm:

David Bradbury is the Assistant Treasurer but as the MP for Lindsay he might be out of a job come Sept 14.

He was also promoted after Rudd got knifed for the second time suggesting he's a Gillard lackey.... Huh

i thought that guy was our gold medal winning ice skater.
then again, they did recruit kneebone, Wink

I thought he was a fiction writer.

Undecided

should be an easy transition to labor treasurer then

Boom boom!

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Reply #35 - Feb 19^th, 2013 at 7:36pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 12:52pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 12:44pm:

can you name a single treasurer in the history of the federal parliament who has been from the senate?

No.

Traditionally they come from the HOR.

However, that's only tradition.

The same goes for the Prime Minister: there's absolutely nothing stopping a Prime Minister from sitting in/coming from the Senate.

Saying "never" is a little narrow-minded.

And, although not Federal, Treasurers have served in the upper houses of New South Wales (Michael Egan, Michael Costa and Eric Roozendaal), Victoria (John Lenders) and Tasmania (Michael Aird).

I certainly wouldn't say "never": you might be Wong one day Wink

im not sure that is true of the PM. I suspect that the PM has to be from the lower house. constitution notwithstanding, having a PM that was never in the house would be pointless.

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Reply #36 - Feb 19^th, 2013 at 7:41pm

again ruddy's problem is that he (like most politicians ) just never understood human psychology.

you are always best to UNDERPROMISE and OVERDELIVER.
kevin was the classic OVERPROMISE and UNDERDELIVER guy of all times.

we will crush climate change
we will fix the murray
we will deliver the nbn
we will get on the UN
we will fix the federal state hospital funding problem

iits just unsound and can only lead to disappointment.

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Reply #37 - Feb 19^th, 2013 at 9:53pm

Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 12:06pm:
If Rudd were to sweep into power (just saying), Swans hold as treasurer is untenable.

Not necessarily

All that is needed in a PM/Treasurer relationship is a "bed-mates" FACADE - in the image department - for credibility

Look no further than Howard and Costello to confirm THAT home truth
Their mutual loathing was LEGENDARY
Never so much as invite from either - to cross the other's door-step - in over a decade

But they BOTH managed to put that ASIDE - at the "OFFICE" - for the good of the party

If it takes the teaming of

"Australia's preferred Prime Minister"

- and the Standard & Poor's and Moody's internationally acclaimed
"World's Best Finance Minister"
- to keep this country on track, then a number hatchets need to be buried ... and peace pipes smoked

There is TOO much at stake - to consider anything LESS

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Reply #38 - Feb 20^th, 2013 at 8:10am

buzzanddidj wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 9:53pm:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 12:06pm:
If Rudd were to sweep into power (just saying), Swans hold as treasurer is untenable.

Not necessarily

All that is needed in a PM/Treasurer relationship is a "bed-mates" FACADE - in the image department - for credibility

Look no further than Howard and Costello to confirm THAT home truth
Their mutual loathing was LEGENDARY
Never so much as invite from either - to cross the other's door-step - in over a decade

But they BOTH managed to put that ASIDE - at the "OFFICE" - for the good of the party

If it takes the teaming of

"Australia's preferred Prime Minister"

- and the Standard & Poor's and Moody's internationally acclaimed
"World's Best Finance Minister"
- to keep this country on track, then a number hatchets need to be buried ... and peace pipes smoked

There is TOO much at stake - to consider anything LESS

you seem to forget Hawke and Keating. and what about the mutual loathing of Rudd and Swan?

the position of Treasurer is almost always given to the heir-apparent do leadership tensions are pretty common. Why do you think that Turnball - who would be the best choice for Treasurer - is not in that portfolio?

try thinking it thru a bit more.

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Reply #39 - Feb 20^th, 2013 at 10:16am

Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 12:06pm:

If Rudd were to sweep into power (just saying), Swans hold as treasurer is untenable.

I wonder who would team up with Rudd to take the treasurer role.

This, in my opinion, is Rudd's primary weakness. He doesnt have a high profile running mate.

Humphrey B Bear would be the front runner there. Grin

The only thing Rudd has a chance of sweeping is the back porch.

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Reply #40 - Feb 20^th, 2013 at 10:53am

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Feb 20^th, 2013 at 10:16am:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 12:06pm:

If Rudd were to sweep into power (just saying), Swans hold as treasurer is untenable.

I wonder who would team up with Rudd to take the treasurer role.

This, in my opinion, is Rudd's primary weakness. He doesnt have a high profile running mate.

Humphrey B Bear would be the front runner there. Grin

The only thing Rudd has a chance of sweeping is the back porch.

Rudd's primary weakness is that he is Rudd. And that he had Gillard as his deputy.
And Swan as his Treasurer.
The only thing going for him is that he was dumped by Gillard and Swan. Cheesy

That's even more pissweak than Budwiser.

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Reply #41 - Feb 20^th, 2013 at 11:16am

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 7:36pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 12:52pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 12:44pm:

can you name a single treasurer in the history of the federal parliament who has been from the senate?

No.

Traditionally they come from the HOR.

However, that's only tradition.

The same goes for the Prime Minister: there's absolutely nothing stopping a Prime Minister from sitting in/coming from the Senate.

Saying "never" is a little narrow-minded.

And, although not Federal, Treasurers have served in the upper houses of New South Wales (Michael Egan, Michael Costa and Eric Roozendaal), Victoria (John Lenders) and Tasmania (Michael Aird).

I certainly wouldn't say "never": you might be Wong one day Wink

im not sure that is true of the PM. I suspect that the PM has to be from the lower house. constitution notwithstanding, having a PM that was never in the house would be pointless.

The PM doesn't have to come from the lower house.

See: John Gorton.

However, you're right: it wouldn't be very practical if they were sitting in the Senate.

Still, it's happened before and will probably happen again.

It is only by convention that the leader of the majority party (or parties) in the lower house becomes Prime Minister.

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Reply #42 - Feb 20^th, 2013 at 11:56am

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 20^th, 2013 at 11:16am:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 7:36pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 12:52pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 12:44pm:

can you name a single treasurer in the history of the federal parliament who has been from the senate?

No.

Traditionally they come from the HOR.

However, that's only tradition.

The same goes for the Prime Minister: there's absolutely nothing stopping a Prime Minister from sitting in/coming from the Senate.

Saying "never" is a little narrow-minded.

And, although not Federal, Treasurers have served in the upper houses of New South Wales (Michael Egan, Michael Costa and Eric Roozendaal), Victoria (John Lenders) and Tasmania (Michael Aird).

I certainly wouldn't say "never": you might be Wong one day Wink

im not sure that is true of the PM. I suspect that the PM has to be from the lower house. constitution notwithstanding, having a PM that was never in the house would be pointless.

The PM doesn't have to come from the lower house.

See: John Gorton.

However, you're right: it wouldn't be very practical if they were sitting in the Senate.

Still, it's happened before and will probably happen again.

It is only by convention that the leader of the majority party (or parties) in the lower house becomes Prime Minister.

except that Gorton moved from the senate to the lower house to be PM. i dont think a senator PM is really very practical.

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Reply #43 - Feb 20^th, 2013 at 12:15pm

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 20^th, 2013 at 11:56am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 20^th, 2013 at 11:16am:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 7:36pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 12:52pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 12:44pm:

can you name a single treasurer in the history of the federal parliament who has been from the senate?

No.

Traditionally they come from the HOR.

However, that's only tradition.

The same goes for the Prime Minister: there's absolutely nothing stopping a Prime Minister from sitting in/coming from the Senate.

Saying "never" is a little narrow-minded.

And, although not Federal, Treasurers have served in the upper houses of New South Wales (Michael Egan, Michael Costa and Eric Roozendaal), Victoria (John Lenders) and Tasmania (Michael Aird).

I certainly wouldn't say "never": you might be Wong one day Wink

im not sure that is true of the PM. I suspect that the PM has to be from the lower house. constitution notwithstanding, having a PM that was never in the house would be pointless.

The PM doesn't have to come from the lower house.

See: John Gorton.

However, you're right: it wouldn't be very practical if they were sitting in the Senate.

Still, it's happened before and will probably happen again.

It is only by convention that the leader of the majority party (or parties) in the lower house becomes Prime Minister.

except that Gorton moved from the senate to the lower house to be PM. i dont think a senator PM is really very practical.

He moved from the senate to the lower house AFTER he became PM. He served as a senator, for a short time, while he was PM.

I agree with you though: it's not very practical. However, there is absolutely nothing stopping a PM coming from the senate (and there is absolutely nothing about the office of Prime Minister mentioned in the Constitution).

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Reply #44 - Feb 20^th, 2013 at 2:48pm

salad in wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 3:16pm:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 12:06pm:

If Rudd were to sweep into power (just saying), Swans hold as treasurer is untenable.

I wonder who would team up with Rudd to take the treasurer role.

This, in my opinion, is Rudd's primary weakness. He doesnt have a high profile running mate.

Eddie Obeid. He knows how to create a surplus.

Yes, but for himself.

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