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Re: If Rudd becomes leader, who becomes treasuer
Reply #45 - Feb 20^th, 2013 at 2:54pm

aquascoot wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 7:41pm:

again ruddy's problem is that he (like most politicians ) just never understood human psychology.

you are always best to UNDERPROMISE and OVERDELIVER.
kevin was the classic OVERPROMISE and UNDERDELIVER guy of all times.

we will crush climate change
we will fix the murray
we will deliver the nbn
we will get on the UN
we will fix the federal state hospital funding problem

iits just unsound and can only lead to disappointment.

All in the present Labor Party are overpromise and underdelivery politicians. Also, they are convincing liars, have many still voting for them.

However, it's hard to still believe when one stares at a power bill.

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damien Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 639 Gender:	Re: If Rudd becomes leader, who becomes treasuer Reply #46 - Feb 20^th, 2013 at 3:04pm Don't worry about this rheotorical outcome. They all will be looking for a new job mid September!!
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Re: If Rudd becomes leader, who becomes treasuer
Reply #47 - Feb 20^th, 2013 at 8:12pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 20^th, 2013 at 12:15pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 20^th, 2013 at 11:56am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 20^th, 2013 at 11:16am:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 7:36pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 12:52pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 12:44pm:

can you name a single treasurer in the history of the federal parliament who has been from the senate?

No.

Traditionally they come from the HOR.

However, that's only tradition.

The same goes for the Prime Minister: there's absolutely nothing stopping a Prime Minister from sitting in/coming from the Senate.

Saying "never" is a little narrow-minded.

And, although not Federal, Treasurers have served in the upper houses of New South Wales (Michael Egan, Michael Costa and Eric Roozendaal), Victoria (John Lenders) and Tasmania (Michael Aird).

I certainly wouldn't say "never": you might be Wong one day Wink

im not sure that is true of the PM. I suspect that the PM has to be from the lower house. constitution notwithstanding, having a PM that was never in the house would be pointless.

The PM doesn't have to come from the lower house.

See: John Gorton.

However, you're right: it wouldn't be very practical if they were sitting in the Senate.

Still, it's happened before and will probably happen again.

It is only by convention that the leader of the majority party (or parties) in the lower house becomes Prime Minister.

except that Gorton moved from the senate to the lower house to be PM. i dont think a senator PM is really very practical.

He moved from the senate to the lower house AFTER he became PM. He served as a senator, for a short time, while he was PM.

I agree with you though: it's not very practical. However, there is absolutely nothing stopping a PM coming from the senate (and there is absolutely nothing about the office of Prime Minister mentioned in the Constitution).

a week or two while parliament wasnt sitting.

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Re: If Rudd becomes leader, who becomes treasuer
Reply #48 - Feb 20^th, 2013 at 8:54pm

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 20^th, 2013 at 8:12pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 20^th, 2013 at 12:15pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 20^th, 2013 at 11:56am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 20^th, 2013 at 11:16am:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 7:36pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 12:52pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 12:44pm:

can you name a single treasurer in the history of the federal parliament who has been from the senate?

No.

Traditionally they come from the HOR.

However, that's only tradition.

The same goes for the Prime Minister: there's absolutely nothing stopping a Prime Minister from sitting in/coming from the Senate.

Saying "never" is a little narrow-minded.

And, although not Federal, Treasurers have served in the upper houses of New South Wales (Michael Egan, Michael Costa and Eric Roozendaal), Victoria (John Lenders) and Tasmania (Michael Aird).

I certainly wouldn't say "never": you might be Wong one day Wink

im not sure that is true of the PM. I suspect that the PM has to be from the lower house. constitution notwithstanding, having a PM that was never in the house would be pointless.

The PM doesn't have to come from the lower house.

See: John Gorton.

However, you're right: it wouldn't be very practical if they were sitting in the Senate.

Still, it's happened before and will probably happen again.

It is only by convention that the leader of the majority party (or parties) in the lower house becomes Prime Minister.

except that Gorton moved from the senate to the lower house to be PM. i dont think a senator PM is really very practical.

He moved from the senate to the lower house AFTER he became PM. He served as a senator, for a short time, while he was PM.

I agree with you though: it's not very practical. However, there is absolutely nothing stopping a PM coming from the senate (and there is absolutely nothing about the office of Prime Minister mentioned in the Constitution).

a week or two while parliament wasnt sitting.

What's your point, exactly?

Nothing I've said is incorrect.

There's nothing stopping a PM coming from the Senate: it's happened before and there's absolutely nothing stopping it from happening again.

The office of Prime Minister is not mentioned in the Constitution of Australia.

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