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Reply #45 - Feb 20^th, 2013 at 6:41pm

MOTR wrote on Feb 20^th, 2013 at 6:34pm:

Again, where is your scientific argument. You don't understand the science yet you want to take solace from a survey of 77 climate scientists that finds 2 of them aren't convinced yet.

I can't believe how many times you can keep missing the point:

"Scientific issues cannot be decided by a vote of scientists. A consensus is not, at any given time, a good predictor of where the truth actually resides."

I don't take solace from any surveys. AGW is about science, not polls.

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Reply #46 - Feb 20^th, 2013 at 6:42pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 20^th, 2013 at 6:39pm:

MOTR wrote on Feb 20^th, 2013 at 6:37pm:

Well if you accept that CO2 is a significant driver, why aren't you concerned by this.

I've never said that I "accept that CO2 is a significant driver".

You don't understand the science so you don't have an opinion either way.

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Reply #47 - Feb 20^th, 2013 at 6:46pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 20^th, 2013 at 6:41pm:

MOTR wrote on Feb 20^th, 2013 at 6:34pm:

Again, where is your scientific argument. You don't understand the science yet you want to take solace from a survey of 77 climate scientists that finds 2 of them aren't convinced yet.

I can't believe how many times you can keep missing the point:

"Scientific issues cannot be decided by a vote of scientists. A consensus is not, at any given time, a good predictor of where the truth actually resides."

I don't take solace from any surveys. AGW is about science, not polls.

And you don't understand the science. So what point are you trying to make.

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Reply #48 - Feb 20^th, 2013 at 6:46pm

MOTR wrote on Feb 20^th, 2013 at 6:42pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 20^th, 2013 at 6:39pm:

MOTR wrote on Feb 20^th, 2013 at 6:37pm:

Well if you accept that CO2 is a significant driver, why aren't you concerned by this.

I've never said that I "accept that CO2 is a significant driver".

You don't understand the science so how could you have a legitimate opinion either way.

That's your misguided opinion.

I can assure you I understand the science much more than you. You've now proved that beyond doubt.

By all means though, keep using the 97% "argument" and I'll keep using rational skepticism: you can have your polls, and I'll stick to science.

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Reply #49 - Feb 20^th, 2013 at 6:48pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 20^th, 2013 at 6:46pm:

MOTR wrote on Feb 20^th, 2013 at 6:42pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 20^th, 2013 at 6:39pm:

MOTR wrote on Feb 20^th, 2013 at 6:37pm:

Well if you accept that CO2 is a significant driver, why aren't you concerned by this.

I've never said that I "accept that CO2 is a significant driver".

You don't understand the science so how could you have a legitimate opinion either way.

That's your misguided opinion.

I can assure you I understand the science much more than you. You've now proved that beyond doubt.

By all means though, keep using the 97% "argument" and I'll keep using rational skepticism: you can have your polls, and I'll stick to science.

Well if you understand the science, make your point.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 136358 Gender:	Re: Beware the Teaparty Downunder. Reply #50 - Feb 20^th, 2013 at 6:48pm MOTR wrote on Feb 20^th, 2013 at 6:46pm: So what point are you trying to make. Here it is once again: "Scientific issues cannot be decided by a vote of scientists. A consensus is not, at any given time, a good predictor of where the truth actually resides."
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Reply #51 - Feb 20^th, 2013 at 6:49pm

MOTR wrote on Feb 20^th, 2013 at 6:48pm:

Well if you understand the science, make your point.

This is my point:

"Scientific issues cannot be decided by a vote of scientists. A consensus is not, at any given time, a good predictor of where the truth actually resides."

I'm not sure why you are finding this so hard to understand.

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corporate_whitey Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 8896 Archivist	Re: Beware the Teaparty Downunder. Reply #52 - Feb 20^th, 2013 at 6:50pm BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Feb 20^th, 2013 at 6:08pm: -->> Whoah,lucky corporate whitey doesn't actually believe in God then! Belief in God is not something you have a choice in because of effectual calling and Sovereign Grace...so even if my faith weakens, Grace is always working in me...Free Will is a myth...
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Reply #53 - Feb 20^th, 2013 at 6:51pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 20^th, 2013 at 6:48pm:

MOTR wrote on Feb 20^th, 2013 at 6:46pm:

So what point are you trying to make.

Here it is once again:

"Scientific issues cannot be decided by a vote of scientists. A consensus is not, at any given time, a good predictor of where the truth actually resides."

Well how about you use your knowledge of climate science to explain to me why you don't believe human emissions of carbon dioxide are not dangerously warming our planet.

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Reply #54 - Feb 20^th, 2013 at 6:53pm

corporate_whitey wrote on Feb 20^th, 2013 at 6:50pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Feb 20^th, 2013 at 6:08pm:

-->> Whoah,lucky corporate whitey doesn't actually believe in God then! Wink

Belief in God is not something you have a choice in because of effectual calling and Sovereign Grace...so even if my faith weakens, Grace is always working in me...Free Will is a myth... Cool

Your god will judge you for asking that Craig Thompson be hung from the Sydney Harbour Bridge,... if you believe in him that is!

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Innocent bystander Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4220 Gender:	Re: Beware the Teaparty Downunder. Reply #55 - Feb 20^th, 2013 at 6:56pm I just can't believe only 3% of scientists follow real scientific principles, that's appalling, I think 97% of scientists need to be sacked.
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Reply #56 - Feb 20^th, 2013 at 6:57pm

MOTR wrote on Feb 20^th, 2013 at 6:51pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 20^th, 2013 at 6:48pm:

MOTR wrote on Feb 20^th, 2013 at 6:46pm:

So what point are you trying to make.

Here it is once again:

"Scientific issues cannot be decided by a vote of scientists. A consensus is not, at any given time, a good predictor of where the truth actually resides."

Well how about you use your knowledge of climate science to explain to me why you don't believe human emissions of carbon dioxide are not dangerously warming our planet.

That's not the point(s) I'm making in this thread.

Go back to my original post please.

These are my points:

1. Scientific issues cannot be decided by a vote of scientists. A consensus is not, at any given time, a good predictor of where the truth actually resides.

2. The blogger deliberately misleads his readers by providing a "97% of climate scientists" link which actually says nothing about that particular subject (the link takes you to a completely different poll).

This thread is a complete failure. Sorry.

Next time use a blogger who doesn't try to deceive people.

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MOTR Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6646	Re: Beware the Teaparty Downunder. Reply #57 - Feb 20^th, 2013 at 7:05pm Exactly, greggery. It's a position we both know you can't sustain.
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Reply #58 - Feb 20^th, 2013 at 7:15pm

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Feb 20^th, 2013 at 6:53pm:

corporate_whitey wrote on Feb 20^th, 2013 at 6:50pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Feb 20^th, 2013 at 6:08pm:

-->> Whoah,lucky corporate whitey doesn't actually believe in God then! Wink

Belief in God is not something you have a choice in because of effectual calling and Sovereign Grace...so even if my faith weakens, Grace is always working in me...Free Will is a myth... Cool

Your god will judge you for asking that Craig Thompson be hung from the Sydney Harbour Bridge,... if you believe in him that is!

God has said I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy...it is not our choice whom he has mercy on....it is by Grace we are saved through faith and that not of yourselves it is the GIFT of God so that no one can boast.... Wink

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Reply #59 - Feb 20^th, 2013 at 7:46pm

corporate_whitey wrote on Feb 20^th, 2013 at 7:15pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Feb 20^th, 2013 at 6:53pm:

corporate_whitey wrote on Feb 20^th, 2013 at 6:50pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Feb 20^th, 2013 at 6:08pm:

-->> Whoah,lucky corporate whitey doesn't actually believe in God then! Wink

Belief in God is not something you have a choice in because of effectual calling and Sovereign Grace...so even if my faith weakens, Grace is always working in me...Free Will is a myth... Cool

Your god will judge you for asking that Craig Thompson be hung from the Sydney Harbour Bridge,... if you believe in him that is!

God has said I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy...it is not our choice whom he has mercy on....it is by Grace we are saved through faith and that not of yourselves it is the GIFT of God so that no one can boast.... Wink

I don't think I like your god! Roll Eyes

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