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Emma Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9853 OZ Gender:	Re: Men - beware Reply #60 - Mar 1^st, 2013 at 11:32pm see my post ..up a few...they didn't want to pay...
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Re: Men - beware
Reply #61 - Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 5:32am

gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 1^st, 2013 at 11:12pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 28^th, 2013 at 4:59am:

Emma wrote on Feb 27^th, 2013 at 11:41pm:

whatever.. Roll Eyes

Hell as a concept... well its just that... a concept... It seems the Hell concept arose later... in followers... a bit like CELIBACY.... never a true requirement of God... but one instituted by Popes centuries later.. Was it Augustine blah or Justinian bla bla?? anyway one of those criminals ... what a MARVELLOUS LEGACY ... Angry

ones they are still trying to avoid today ...

Evidence.... Pope Benedict's resignation... nothing could be more suss.... and ... still the faithful SUCK IT UP.

Well actually with the catholics stance on birth control and condoms i can see why they require celibacy.

SOB

Can you really??...care to elaborate??

You dont understand my comment? Truly? Even after emma explained it? You prolly shouldnt be posting in a forum with grown ups.

SOB

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Reply #62 - Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 9:33am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 5:32am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 1^st, 2013 at 11:12pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 28^th, 2013 at 4:59am:

Emma wrote on Feb 27^th, 2013 at 11:41pm:

whatever.. Roll Eyes

Hell as a concept... well its just that... a concept... It seems the Hell concept arose later... in followers... a bit like CELIBACY.... never a true requirement of God... but one instituted by Popes centuries later.. Was it Augustine blah or Justinian bla bla?? anyway one of those criminals ... what a MARVELLOUS LEGACY ... Angry

ones they are still trying to avoid today ...

Evidence.... Pope Benedict's resignation... nothing could be more suss.... and ... still the faithful SUCK IT UP.

Well actually with the catholics stance on birth control and condoms i can see why they require celibacy.

SOB

Can you really??...care to elaborate??

You dont understand my comment? Truly? Even after emma explained it? You prolly shouldnt be posting in a forum with grown ups.

SOB

Since when do you and emma classify as 'grown ups'????
I'm just hoping you'll dig yourself even deeper into the hole....

Simply put, celibacy and the Catholic stance on birth control and contraception are NOT linked....they don't have celibacy in the clergy because of the anti contraception stance..

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Re: Men - beware
Reply #64 - Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 9:41am

gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 9:33am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 5:32am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 1^st, 2013 at 11:12pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 28^th, 2013 at 4:59am:

Emma wrote on Feb 27^th, 2013 at 11:41pm:

whatever.. Roll Eyes

Hell as a concept... well its just that... a concept... It seems the Hell concept arose later... in followers... a bit like CELIBACY.... never a true requirement of God... but one instituted by Popes centuries later.. Was it Augustine blah or Justinian bla bla?? anyway one of those criminals ... what a MARVELLOUS LEGACY ... Angry

ones they are still trying to avoid today ...

Evidence.... Pope Benedict's resignation... nothing could be more suss.... and ... still the faithful SUCK IT UP.

Well actually with the catholics stance on birth control and condoms i can see why they require celibacy.

SOB

Can you really??...care to elaborate??

You dont understand my comment? Truly? Even after emma explained it? You prolly shouldnt be posting in a forum with grown ups.

SOB

Since when do you and emma classify as 'grown ups'????
I'm just hoping you'll dig yourself even deeper into the hole....

Simply put, celibacy and the Catholic stance on birth control and contraception are NOT linked....they don't have celibacy in the clergy because of the anti contraception stance..

Hey Gizmo, have you seen this gem from Miss Borg.............

Lots of ppl here prolly wouldn't remember her seeing as they werent born yet.

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Reply #65 - Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 9:45am

KJT1981 wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 9:41am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 9:33am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 5:32am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 1^st, 2013 at 11:12pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 28^th, 2013 at 4:59am:

Emma wrote on Feb 27^th, 2013 at 11:41pm:

whatever.. Roll Eyes

Hell as a concept... well its just that... a concept... It seems the Hell concept arose later... in followers... a bit like CELIBACY.... never a true requirement of God... but one instituted by Popes centuries later.. Was it Augustine blah or Justinian bla bla?? anyway one of those criminals ... what a MARVELLOUS LEGACY ... Angry

ones they are still trying to avoid today ...

Evidence.... Pope Benedict's resignation... nothing could be more suss.... and ... still the faithful SUCK IT UP.

Well actually with the catholics stance on birth control and condoms i can see why they require celibacy.

SOB

Can you really??...care to elaborate??

You dont understand my comment? Truly? Even after emma explained it? You prolly shouldnt be posting in a forum with grown ups.

SOB

Since when do you and emma classify as 'grown ups'????
I'm just hoping you'll dig yourself even deeper into the hole....

Simply put, celibacy and the Catholic stance on birth control and contraception are NOT linked....they don't have celibacy in the clergy because of the anti contraception stance..

Hey Gizmo, have you seen this gem from Miss Borg.............

Lots of ppl here prolly wouldn't remember her seeing as they werent born yet.

Go away troll

SOB

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Reply #66 - Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 9:49am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 9:45am:

KJT1981 wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 9:41am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 9:33am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 5:32am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 1^st, 2013 at 11:12pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 28^th, 2013 at 4:59am:

Emma wrote on Feb 27^th, 2013 at 11:41pm:

whatever.. Roll Eyes

Hell as a concept... well its just that... a concept... It seems the Hell concept arose later... in followers... a bit like CELIBACY.... never a true requirement of God... but one instituted by Popes centuries later.. Was it Augustine blah or Justinian bla bla?? anyway one of those criminals ... what a MARVELLOUS LEGACY ... Angry

ones they are still trying to avoid today ...

Evidence.... Pope Benedict's resignation... nothing could be more suss.... and ... still the faithful SUCK IT UP.

Well actually with the catholics stance on birth control and condoms i can see why they require celibacy.

SOB

Can you really??...care to elaborate??

You dont understand my comment? Truly? Even after emma explained it? You prolly shouldnt be posting in a forum with grown ups.

SOB

Since when do you and emma classify as 'grown ups'????
I'm just hoping you'll dig yourself even deeper into the hole....

Simply put, celibacy and the Catholic stance on birth control and contraception are NOT linked....they don't have celibacy in the clergy because of the anti contraception stance..

Hey Gizmo, have you seen this gem from Miss Borg.............

Lots of ppl here prolly wouldn't remember her seeing as they werent born yet.

Go away troll

SOB

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You prolly shouldnt be posting in a forum with grown ups. SOB

Yep, "Go away troll" (for the 150th time) is really grown up Miss Borg.

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Emma Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9853 OZ Gender:	Re: Men - beware Reply #67 - Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 9:10pm ...where is it?
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Reply #68 - Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 9:17pm

it might show... went somewhere...

I was trying to copy paste to enlighten you dunderheads.. Grin

mayhap it'll appear... if not....

as usual.. the usual suspects are trying to digress,,
OK I said nothing about condoms... my comments were about CELIBACY,, and I responded to a post from SOB, who did bring up birth control.

RE THAT... the celibates... by doctrine not choice... are being martyrs, and are saying everyone else should be 'spiritual', like them.

Sex only for procreation.... GOOD GRIEF..!!!
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AS IF ????

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Reply #69 - Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 9:31pm

Emma wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 9:17pm:

it might show... went somewhere...

I was trying to copy paste to enlighten you dunderheads.. Grin

mayhap it'll appear... if not....

as usual.. the usual suspects are trying to digress,,
OK I said nothing about condoms... my comments were about CELIBACY,, and I responded to a post from SOB, who did bring up birth control.

RE THAT... the celibates... by doctrine not choice... are being martyrs, and are saying everyone else should be 'spiritual', like them.

Sex only for procreation.... GOOD GRIEF..!!!
Roll Eyes

AS IF ????

Celibacy ( in the church) isn't about being a 'martyr'....it's about total dedication to 'the lord's work', having a wife/husband and family takes up time you should be spending on church work (or something along those lines at any rate)

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"I just get sick of people who place a label on someone else with their own definition.

It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Emma Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9853 OZ Gender:	Re: Men - beware Reply #70 - Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 9:34pm so they say ... what perverse logic.. need I explain it??
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Reply #71 - Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 9:37pm

To Wit:

why? don't want a pile of priests bastards to care for??

actually some Catholic cleric of some rank. recently came out and said.... should allow Catholic priests to marry and have a family... said ...nothing in the Bible requires Celibacy...

well he is quite right,, as I said it was some early power hungry pope who saw profit in it... and cared not for thr consequences.

IF the Catholic Church did allow the sanctity of marriage to it's priests, it'd have a much longer shelf-life as a valid ... ie GOOD .. faith..

Think about it..

Wonder what will happen to the Cleric smart and bold enough to state this....??

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My response... re-iterated !!

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Reply #72 - Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 10:56pm

Emma wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 9:37pm:

To Wit:

why? don't want a pile of priests bastards to care for??

actually some Catholic cleric of some rank. recently came out and said.... should allow Catholic priests to marry and have a family... said ...nothing in the Bible requires Celibacy...

well he is quite right,, as I said it was some early power hungry pope who saw profit in it... and cared not for thr consequences.

IF the Catholic Church did allow the sanctity of marriage to it's priests, it'd have a much longer shelf-life as a valid ... ie GOOD .. faith..

Think about it..

Wonder what will happen to the Cleric smart and bold enough to state this....??

My response... re-iterated !! [/quote]

How did the sanctity of marriage work out for you? Er... spiritually speaking.

Buddhist monks can't touch or even sit next to women. Nobody is calling for that particular Buddhist dogma to be updated. In the same way, the problem isn't in the dogma, it's in the wider malaise of the church. The point is - vows of chastity are not the problem in themselves, even as clergy should be able to marry. Chastity should be an option, not a compulsion (to fail).i

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Emma Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9853 OZ Gender:	Re: Men - beware Reply #73 - Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 11:11pm well I agree .. perhaps I miss your point? I wasn't married in a Church, and the ceremony was not religion-based.. ..I still miss your point.
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Reply #74 - Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 11:22pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 9:31pm:

Emma wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 9:17pm:

it might show... went somewhere...

I was trying to copy paste to enlighten you dunderheads.. Grin

mayhap it'll appear... if not....

as usual.. the usual suspects are trying to digress,,
OK I said nothing about condoms... my comments were about CELIBACY,, and I responded to a post from SOB, who did bring up birth control.

RE THAT... the celibates... by doctrine not choice... are being martyrs, and are saying everyone else should be 'spiritual', like them.

Sex only for procreation.... GOOD GRIEF..!!!
Roll Eyes

AS IF ????

Celibacy ( in the church) isn't about being a 'martyr'....it's about total dedication to 'the lord's work', having a wife/husband and family takes up time you should be spending on church work (or something along those lines at any rate)

funny thing is , my bible the NIV says priests SHOULD be married

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