Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 11:22pm:


Yes, but the NIV is published by a Presbyterian church, Christian Reformed Church in North America, and the National Association of Evangelicals.
The only mainstream Christian Church that bans married for it's clergy is the Catholic Church, which is also the one we were discussing.

life of brian was very good

Emma wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 11:41pm:


Slightly off topic, but for those who may be interested;

*Old Testament written in Hebrew (with the exception of the small amount of Aramaic in the middle section of the book of Daniel)
*New Testament written in Greek.

The King James Bible was a translation into English (but hardly the first to be done) at the start of the 17th century using the English of the time. Modern Bibles (like the NIV) are also translations of the Hebrew and Greek into English, and just like the King James they use the English of the time (in the NIV's case, late 20th century).

Modern Bibles are not rewrites of the King James (yet funny enough a lot of the King James relied on the English Tyndale translation from a century earlier) but are translations that go back to the original Greek and Hebrew. They are not watered down versions but are written to be understood by modern day readers of English. That's not to say that there are not modern day Bibles that are watered down (many being written for people with low English skills; such as children and people with English as a second language), but just because a Bible doesn't sound like Shakespeare does not mean that it is an unreliable copy. In fact much development has been done in the last century or two into Greek and Hebrew. Many ancient manuscripts have been found that have helped make modern translations more accurate than in the past, as our understanding of Biblical Hebrew and Koine Greek has improved dramatically in the last 400 years. (although there are some very bad translations out there. The Watchtower Bible used by the JW's being an obvious example).

Emma wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 9:37pm:



My response... re-iterated !! [/quote]

The problem is that "celibacy" doesnt mean abstaining from sex - it means not being married apparently. Therefore if they arent allowed to marry they go find other avenues. Allowing them to marry might help stop the paedophiles.

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2013 at 5:09am:


The problem is that "celibacy" doesnt mean abstaining from sex - it means not being married apparently. Therefore if they arent allowed to marry they go find other avenues. Allowing them to marry might help stop the paedophiles.

SOB [/quote]

Yes, in the sense of religious vows, 'Celibacy' DOES mean abstaining from sex, that's the whole point.

"celibacy noun    (Concise Encyclopedia)
The deliberate abstinence from sexual activity, usually in connection with a religious role or practice. It has existed in some form in most world religions. It may indicate a person's ritual purity (sexual relations being viewed as polluting) or may be adopted to facilitate spiritual advancement (as sexual activity would take place only within the bonds of matrimony, marriage and family were seen as an entangling distraction). In shamanistic religions, shamans are often celibate. In Hinduism, “holy men” (or women) who have left ordinary secular life to seek final liberation are celibate. Buddhism began as a celibate order, though many sects have since given up celibacy. Chinese taoism has monastics and independent celibate adepts. Islam has no institutional celibacy, but individuals may embrace it for personal spiritual advancement. Judaism has prescribed periods of abstinence, but long-term celibacy has not played a large role. The early Christian church tended to regard celibacy as superior to marriage. Since the 12th century it has been the rule for Roman Catholic clergy, though clerical celibacy was never adopted by Protestantism."

And married people still commit paedophilia on a regular basis, so why would allowing Catholic clergy to marry stop paedophillia?? It hasn't worked in any of the Protestant religions..

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 6^th, 2013 at 6:40am:


What the hell are you actually trying to argue? That sex outside of marriage is fine and only the marriage is prohibited?

Well, it would seem that is the point you're trying to make;

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And as usual you are wrong.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 6^th, 2013 at 10:11am:


FFS.

1) Look at any dictionary difinition. That is proof enough that you are wrong.
2) Wikipedia is never 100% correct, but that is no excuse this time. The problem is not the article, the problem is you and your inability to understand the article. "In this context, "celibacy" retains its original meaning of "unmarried". Though even the married may observe continence, abstaining from sexual intercourse". It not saying that they can have sex as long as they don't get married. It is saying that they can't have sex at all.
3) "thats what wikipedia says and some catholic site i saw the other day too." BS. Link to the site!