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Re: The Towns Where A Pub Steak Costs $45.
Reply #15 - Feb 28^th, 2013 at 12:01pm

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 28^th, 2013 at 11:53am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 28^th, 2013 at 11:32am:

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 28^th, 2013 at 10:36am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 28^th, 2013 at 9:30am:

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 28^th, 2013 at 8:26am:

Kat wrote on Feb 28^th, 2013 at 8:15am:

No.

What we need is set maximum retail prices that it is illegal to exceed.

Who never thought that price-gouging wouldn't occur, when mining employees are on such good money?

How about $2 that way everybody loses except the buyer, well until the providers cease to exist, but until then they're fine. You city dwellers seem to forget the further away from the city people get, the more expensive everything becomes.

The market sets the price, we don't live in a grubby communist country that micro manages every single aspect of our lives, yet. As much as labor and the greens are trying to head in that direction.

BTW it might be a pretty good piece of steak and worth the $45.

Greggory's suggestion would stop the extremes though.

Remember you said that next time lib supporters are saying we live in a communist country.

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It was kat not greg

The reason we don't legislated the price of cooked food, other than being ridiculous and impossible to enforce, it would put companies out of business as soon as their costs exceeded the allowable price,
they would have to stop selling and shut up shop.

It was a stupid suggestion and one with a little forethought would not have been made.

We have a very good system to regulate the cost of just about any item, it called the market; if no-one is willing to pay for it then they will not be able to sell it and then they will have to go out of business or price the item differently.

It is easier and vastly more efficient than having governments legislate every single permutation of a piece of friggen steak and its allowable maximum price. Surely you can see how ridiculous that would be?

*Kat then

The price cap would obviously vary with inflation. Duh. So you think its okay to make your price completely ridiculous if you have a captive clientele?

We have laws already to stop ppl price fixing yet milk and bread are always within a few cents of each other everywhere.

SOB

do you ever eat out???? there are HEAPS Of restaruants and there are no captive audiences.

another FAIL by SOB

Looks like its your fail because i never mentioned audiences.

The article was about mining towns. Captive clientele. Ppl that live in the area. It happens all over though. On the nullabor if you run out of petrol its about 10X more expensive than anywhere else.

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Re: The Towns Where A Pub Steak Costs $45.
Reply #16 - Feb 28^th, 2013 at 12:06pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 28^th, 2013 at 12:01pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 28^th, 2013 at 11:53am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 28^th, 2013 at 11:32am:

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 28^th, 2013 at 10:36am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 28^th, 2013 at 9:30am:

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 28^th, 2013 at 8:26am:

Kat wrote on Feb 28^th, 2013 at 8:15am:

No.

What we need is set maximum retail prices that it is illegal to exceed.

Who never thought that price-gouging wouldn't occur, when mining employees are on such good money?

How about $2 that way everybody loses except the buyer, well until the providers cease to exist, but until then they're fine. You city dwellers seem to forget the further away from the city people get, the more expensive everything becomes.

The market sets the price, we don't live in a grubby communist country that micro manages every single aspect of our lives, yet. As much as labor and the greens are trying to head in that direction.

BTW it might be a pretty good piece of steak and worth the $45.

Greggory's suggestion would stop the extremes though.

Remember you said that next time lib supporters are saying we live in a communist country.

SOB

It was kat not greg

The reason we don't legislated the price of cooked food, other than being ridiculous and impossible to enforce, it would put companies out of business as soon as their costs exceeded the allowable price,
they would have to stop selling and shut up shop.

It was a stupid suggestion and one with a little forethought would not have been made.

We have a very good system to regulate the cost of just about any item, it called the market; if no-one is willing to pay for it then they will not be able to sell it and then they will have to go out of business or price the item differently.

It is easier and vastly more efficient than having governments legislate every single permutation of a piece of friggen steak and its allowable maximum price. Surely you can see how ridiculous that would be?

*Kat then

The price cap would obviously vary with inflation. Duh. So you think its okay to make your price completely ridiculous if you have a captive clientele?

We have laws already to stop ppl price fixing yet milk and bread are always within a few cents of each other everywhere.

SOB

do you ever eat out???? there are HEAPS Of restaruants and there are no captive audiences.

another FAIL by SOB

Looks like its your fail because i never mentioned audiences.

The article was about mining towns. Captive clientele. Ppl that live in the area. It happens all over though. On the nullabor if you run out of petrol its about 10X more expensive than anywhere else.

SOB

So what?...The petrol on the Nullabor has about 100X the transport costs to get it out there..

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Re: The Towns Where A Pub Steak Costs $45.
Reply #17 - Feb 28^th, 2013 at 12:19pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 28^th, 2013 at 12:01pm:

The article was about mining towns. Captive clientele. Ppl that live in the area. It happens all over though. On the nullabor if you run out of petrol its about 10X more expensive than anywhere else.

SOB

1) They charge more because the abos are given too much money by the government and will pay anything to get high.
2) 10X is BS. If you payed more than $2 a litre you would be very unlucky.

Another fail by the Borg.

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Re: The Towns Where A Pub Steak Costs $45.
Reply #18 - Feb 28^th, 2013 at 12:25pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 28^th, 2013 at 12:00pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 28^th, 2013 at 11:47am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 28^th, 2013 at 11:32am:

*Kat then

The price cap would obviously vary with inflation. Duh. So you think its okay to make your price completely ridiculous if you have a captive clientele?

We have laws already to stop ppl price fixing yet milk and bread are always within a few cents of each other everywhere.

SOB

So every three months or so the government would have to re-issue the new maximum prices for all variations of cooked meats to account for inflation.

BTW $45 is not "completely ridiculous" price for a steak dinner in any decent pub or resturant, so I don't know what the bugger you are on about. Like I said the market will determine if the price is "completely ridiculous" not the government and especially not a government this incompetent.

I decide if I want to pay $45 or not, not some dimwit in canberra.

Stop demanding to be spoonfed and start making your own decisions like an adult.

No why would they have to do it every 3 months or so? They would be stopping ridiculous extremes not normal inflation.

Mining towns. Thats what the article was about. Its completely ridiculous to expect ppl that live in mining towns (especially the ones that were there before it became a mining town) to pay those exorbitant prices.

SOB

Because that is when the inflation figures come out, remember you were the one who recommended that the government micro manage pubs and restaurants instead of using market forces, so you should have known that inflation figures come out quarterly and therefore the prices would need to be adjusted accordingly for those who can't think for themselves.

Most mining towns and especially the ones usually mentioned have always been mining towns, moranbah was built by Utah for the sole purpose of housing mining families so that argument is (as per usual) pointless and irrelevant.

I don't know why, other than being very poor, you think $45 is "exorbitant". Could you explain to everyone why you need the government to control every aspect of your life instead of being able to make your own decisions like the rest of us adults?

Life is about making choices, you should try it some day.

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Re: The Towns Where A Pub Steak Costs $45.
Reply #19 - Feb 28^th, 2013 at 12:28pm

Quantum wrote on Feb 28^th, 2013 at 12:19pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 28^th, 2013 at 12:01pm:

The article was about mining towns. Captive clientele. Ppl that live in the area. It happens all over though. On the nullabor if you run out of petrol its about 10X more expensive than anywhere else.

SOB

1) They charge more because the abos are given too much money by the government and will pay anything to get high.
2) 10X is BS. If you payed more than $2 a litre you would be very unlucky.

Another fail by the Borg.

if i have to pay $2/liter on the nullarbour i would expect and be grateful it is there.

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Reply #20 - Feb 28^th, 2013 at 12:39pm

It's not just the steak .... Try flying in. Often Quantas is the only carrier to fly to these locations , and a ticket that is normally $60 each way, cost $600 just in time for the rotation of workers flying in and out .. the rest of the week , it's back to $60. For someone who has to fly that means it costs them $1200 every week to fly home and back .... ridiculous. A guy I know would rather take a 12 hr drive each week ... $80 fuel each way ...

It's so bad that I was told Clive Palmer wanted to build his own airstrip outside his mine and supply his own planes ...

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Re: The Towns Where A Pub Steak Costs $45.
Reply #21 - Feb 28^th, 2013 at 1:41pm

Quantum wrote on Feb 28^th, 2013 at 12:19pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 28^th, 2013 at 12:01pm:

The article was about mining towns. Captive clientele. Ppl that live in the area. It happens all over though. On the nullabor if you run out of petrol its about 10X more expensive than anywhere else.

SOB

1) They charge more because the abos are given too much money by the government and will pay anything to get high.
2) 10X is BS. If you payed more than $2 a litre you would be very unlucky.

Another fail by the Borg.

BS aboriginals have nothing to do with it.

I went across the nullabor in 1989 and it was over $1.50 a litre then,. Hate to think what it is now.

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Re: The Towns Where A Pub Steak Costs $45.
Reply #22 - Feb 28^th, 2013 at 1:44pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 28^th, 2013 at 1:41pm:

Quantum wrote on Feb 28^th, 2013 at 12:19pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 28^th, 2013 at 12:01pm:

The article was about mining towns. Captive clientele. Ppl that live in the area. It happens all over though. On the nullabor if you run out of petrol its about 10X more expensive than anywhere else.

SOB

1) They charge more because the abos are given too much money by the government and will pay anything to get high.
2) 10X is BS. If you payed more than $2 a litre you would be very unlucky.

Another fail by the Borg.

BS aboriginals have nothing to do with it.

I went across the nullabor in 1989 and it was over $1.50 a litre then,. Hate to think what it is now.

SOB

Around $2.50 a litre....which isn't bad, since it's about $1.80 per litre where I live now.

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Re: The Towns Where A Pub Steak Costs $45.
Reply #23 - Feb 28^th, 2013 at 1:48pm

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 28^th, 2013 at 12:25pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 28^th, 2013 at 12:00pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 28^th, 2013 at 11:47am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 28^th, 2013 at 11:32am:

*Kat then

The price cap would obviously vary with inflation. Duh. So you think its okay to make your price completely ridiculous if you have a captive clientele?

We have laws already to stop ppl price fixing yet milk and bread are always within a few cents of each other everywhere.

SOB

So every three months or so the government would have to re-issue the new maximum prices for all variations of cooked meats to account for inflation.

BTW $45 is not "completely ridiculous" price for a steak dinner in any decent pub or resturant, so I don't know what the bugger you are on about. Like I said the market will determine if the price is "completely ridiculous" not the government and especially not a government this incompetent.

I decide if I want to pay $45 or not, not some dimwit in canberra.

Stop demanding to be spoonfed and start making your own decisions like an adult.

No why would they have to do it every 3 months or so? They would be stopping ridiculous extremes not normal inflation.

Mining towns. Thats what the article was about. Its completely ridiculous to expect ppl that live in mining towns (especially the ones that were there before it became a mining town) to pay those exorbitant prices.

SOB

Because that is when the inflation figures come out, remember you were the one who recommended that the government micro manage pubs and restaurants instead of using market forces, so you should have known that inflation figures come out quarterly and therefore the prices would need to be adjusted accordingly for those who can't think for themselves.

Most mining towns and especially the ones usually mentioned have always been mining towns, moranbah was built by Utah for the sole purpose of housing mining families so that argument is (as per usual) pointless and irrelevant.

I don't know why, other than being very poor, you think $45 is "exorbitant". Could you explain to everyone why you need the government to control every aspect of your life instead of being able to make your own decisions like the rest of us adults?

Life is about making choices, you should try it some day.

So you try to make it about me rather than the ppl its really about which is captive clientele. Why shouldn't they be protected from greedy ppl that will taker advantage of anything they can to make a quick buck?

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Reply #24 - Mar 1^st, 2013 at 5:37am

Cost in the Pilbara are ridiculous? Yes, they are, but so are the wages paid by Rio Tinto. Labourers are paid more than $100,000, truck drivers without mining experience $120,000, tradespeople doing general maintenance around $160,000 or more, supervisors and foremen between $135,000 and $230,000, train drivers $200,000 or more, and experienced managers get $250,000 plus. I don't see what the problem is.....

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Reply #25 - Mar 1^st, 2013 at 6:23am

Frances wrote on Mar 1^st, 2013 at 5:37am:

Cost in the Pilbara are ridiculous? Yes, they are, but so are the wages paid by Rio Tinto. Labourers are paid more than $100,000, truck drivers without mining experience $120,000, tradespeople doing general maintenance around $160,000 or more, supervisors and foremen between $135,000 and $230,000, train drivers $200,000 or more, and experienced managers get $250,000 plus. I don't see what the problem is.....

So therefore it's OK to gouge as much as possible of it out of them?

Ah, no, it isn't.

And what about the 'locals' or non mine-workers, who get nowhere NEAR these wages.

Let 'em go without?

Oh, that's right, they're only 'losers' or 'bludgers', I forgot.

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Reply #26 - Mar 1^st, 2013 at 6:49am

Frances wrote on Mar 1^st, 2013 at 5:37am:

Cost in the Pilbara are ridiculous? Yes, they are, but so are the wages paid by Rio Tinto. Labourers are paid more than $100,000, truck drivers without mining experience $120,000, tradespeople doing general maintenance around $160,000 or more, supervisors and foremen between $135,000 and $230,000, train drivers $200,000 or more, and experienced managers get $250,000 plus. I don't see what the problem is.....

To continue on the same line as Frances, you must factor in the cost of getting the supplies there, the shop rent not to mention the wages for cooks and waitresses, that I should imagine would be a damn side more than they would be in Perth, plus Crooks love affair with..............penalty rates.

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Reply #27 - Mar 1^st, 2013 at 6:49am

Frances wrote on Mar 1^st, 2013 at 5:37am:

Cost in the Pilbara are ridiculous? Yes, they are, but so are the wages paid by Rio Tinto. Labourers are paid more than $100,000, truck drivers without mining experience $120,000, tradespeople doing general maintenance around $160,000 or more, supervisors and foremen between $135,000 and $230,000, train drivers $200,000 or more, and experienced managers get $250,000 plus. I don't see what the problem is.....

What kat said and also we are talking about the non-miners. the ordinary ppl that were living there before this crap who are being forced to pack up and move.

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Reply #28 - Mar 1^st, 2013 at 7:02am

Kat wrote on Mar 1^st, 2013 at 6:23am:

Frances wrote on Mar 1^st, 2013 at 5:37am:

Cost in the Pilbara are ridiculous? Yes, they are, but so are the wages paid by Rio Tinto. Labourers are paid more than $100,000, truck drivers without mining experience $120,000, tradespeople doing general maintenance around $160,000 or more, supervisors and foremen between $135,000 and $230,000, train drivers $200,000 or more, and experienced managers get $250,000 plus. I don't see what the problem is.....

So therefore it's OK to gouge as much as possible of it out of them?

Ah, no, it isn't.

And, Big 'Ol only a total smack-wit would pay $45 for a steak. Nothing
whatsoever to do with 'being poor'.

THAT old put-down is wearing VERY thin.

Gouge? Nothing to do with gouging. It's to do with distance, rent and wages.

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