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Re: The US Wasted Billions In Iraq, With Few Results.
Reply #15 - Mar 9^th, 2013 at 6:05am

Peter Freedman wrote on Mar 8^th, 2013 at 8:24pm:

Iraq was an example of American incompetence.

They had little knowledge of the history of the nation or its warring factions. There was little in the way of an aim except the vague notion they could turn an Arab state into a Western democracy.

what a joke.

America loves war and everything about it, but they are so bad at it.

That's hilarious!!!

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Reply #17 - Mar 11^th, 2013 at 5:49am

Peter Freedman wrote on Mar 10^th, 2013 at 6:57pm:

The Yanks are quite good at war, they get plenty of practice. It's peace they stink at.

No, we're good at that as well. The problem with Iraq is that we're terrible at nation building and Arabs are culturally unable to accept the full responsibilities involved with running a stable democratic civilization.

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Reply #18 - Mar 17^th, 2013 at 8:21pm

Chard wrote on Mar 11^th, 2013 at 5:49am:

Peter Freedman wrote on Mar 10^th, 2013 at 6:57pm:

The Yanks are quite good at war, they get plenty of practice. It's peace they stink at.

No, we're good at that as well. The problem with Iraq is that we're terrible at nation building and Arabs are culturally unable to accept the full responsibilities involved with running a stable democratic civilization.

But Iraq never was a nation. It was a mixture of three Arab tribes with a long history of hatred and warfare. The borders of Iraq's predecessor, Mesopotamia, were drawn up to suit Western interests and bore no recognition of the reality on the ground.

The only thing that kept Iraq together was a series of dictatorships. Without them the country has fallen into chaos.

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Reply #19 - Mar 17^th, 2013 at 9:49pm

Peter Freedman wrote on Mar 17^th, 2013 at 8:21pm:

Chard wrote on Mar 11^th, 2013 at 5:49am:

Peter Freedman wrote on Mar 10^th, 2013 at 6:57pm:

The Yanks are quite good at war, they get plenty of practice. It's peace they stink at.

No, we're good at that as well. The problem with Iraq is that we're terrible at nation building and Arabs are culturally unable to accept the full responsibilities involved with running a stable democratic civilization.

But Iraq never was a nation. It was a mixture of three Arab tribes with a long history of hatred and warfare. The borders of Iraq's predecessor, Mesopotamia, were drawn up to suit Western interests and bore no recognition of the reality on the ground.

The only thing that kept Iraq together was a series of dictatorships. Without them the country has fallen into chaos.

So you're saying multiculturalism doesn't work.
But you've stated in other threads that it does work, and disagreed with those who said it doesn't. Like the fiasco in Logan recently, for example.

I might surmise from this highly contradictory situation that you saw an opportunity to put the boot into the West and took it, without realising you broke one of your cardinal rules: Criticising multiculturalism.

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Reply #20 - Mar 18^th, 2013 at 6:28am

Peter Freedman wrote on Mar 17^th, 2013 at 8:21pm:

But Iraq never was a nation. It was a mixture of three Arab tribes with a long history of hatred and warfare. The borders of Iraq's predecessor, Mesopotamia, were drawn up to suit Western interests and bore no recognition of the reality on the ground

Blame the Brits for that, they were the ones playing redraw the maps after the collapse of the Ottoman Turks. At this point it doesn't matter as trying to undo the work of the Royal Arbitrary Lines On Maps Commission would be far more destabilizing to region than our invasion and occupation of Iraq was.

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The only thing that kept Iraq together was a series of dictatorships. Without them the country has fallen into chaos.

Yeah, we replaced a stable, or at least predictable, secular dictatorship with a massive sectarian clusterf*ck. But hey, at least they can now democratically decide to remain primatie religous fanatics!

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Reply #22 - Mar 20^th, 2013 at 6:12pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 17^th, 2013 at 9:49pm:

Peter Freedman wrote on Mar 17^th, 2013 at 8:21pm:

Chard wrote on Mar 11^th, 2013 at 5:49am:

Peter Freedman wrote on Mar 10^th, 2013 at 6:57pm:

The Yanks are quite good at war, they get plenty of practice. It's peace they stink at.

No, we're good at that as well. The problem with Iraq is that we're terrible at nation building and Arabs are culturally unable to accept the full responsibilities involved with running a stable democratic civilization.

But Iraq never was a nation. It was a mixture of three Arab tribes with a long history of hatred and warfare. The borders of Iraq's predecessor, Mesopotamia, were drawn up to suit Western interests and bore no recognition of the reality on the ground.

The only thing that kept Iraq together was a series of dictatorships. Without them the country has fallen into chaos.

So you're saying multiculturalism doesn't work.
But you've stated in other threads that it does work, and disagreed with those who said it doesn't. Like the fiasco in Logan recently, for example.

I might surmise from this highly contradictory situation that you saw an opportunity to put the boot into the West and took it, without realising you broke one of your cardinal rules: Criticising multiculturalism.

Rubbish. Sometimes multiculturalism works, others it doesn't.

Anyway, the three tribes of Iraq are all the same culture!

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Reply #23 - Mar 20^th, 2013 at 6:19pm

How can it be the same culture if, as you said, they have a "long history of hatred and warfare"? There must be something more than just simple disagreements for that to occur; like deep conflicting cultural values.

Anyway, if it hasn't worked in Iraq, how do you feel about importing these 3 tribes here under the guise of multiculturalism?

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Reply #25 - Mar 21^st, 2013 at 10:53am

Grey wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 1:39am:

I wouldn't call 30% of the population disabled and more than 50% of the rest unemployed small results.

Not to mention Depleted uranium. How many thousands of years is that going to go on killing & maiming & deforming?? My hope is that God visits the same misfortune & suffering on U.S.U.K. & australia. What goes around comes around.

Some good news - America's bragging that they only lost 5000 soldiers & the rest (80k?) were only injured & maimed & disabled due to protective clothing, armor & transports & hi-tach field hospitals etc is coming back to haunt them. More than half of all the vets. are already claiming disability pensions plus massive medical care bills. And its going to get worse as they age.

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Reply #26 - Mar 21^st, 2013 at 10:54am

AaLF wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 10:53am:

Grey wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 1:39am:

I wouldn't call 30% of the population disabled and more than 50% of the rest unemployed small results.

Not to mention Depleted uranium. How many thousands of years is that going to go on killing & maiming & deforming?? My hope is that God visits the same misfortune & suffering on U.S.U.K. & australia. What goes around comes around.

Some good news - America's bragging that they only lost 5000 soldiers & the rest (80k?) were only injured & maimed & disabled due to protective clothing, armor & transports & hi-tach field hospitals etc is coming back to haunt them. More than half of all the vets. who served in Iraq & Afghanistan are already claiming disability pensions plus massive medical care bills. And its going to get worse as they age.

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"They took the whole Palestinian Nation,
And locked us in this reservation....."

some Ozzy vocab: bugger fkd dam f*ck bugger bugger smacking bugger*ng farked fu#ckers effing smacking

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Re: The US Wasted Billions In Iraq, With Few Results.
Reply #27 - Mar 21^st, 2013 at 10:54am

AaLF wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 10:54am:

AaLF wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 10:53am:

Grey wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 1:39am:

I wouldn't call 30% of the population disabled and more than 50% of the rest unemployed small results.

Not to mention Depleted uranium. How many thousands of years is that going to go on killing & maiming & deforming?? My hope is that God visits the same misfortune & suffering on U.S.U.K. & australia. What goes around comes around.

Some good news - America's bragging that they only lost 5000 soldiers & the rest (80k?) were only injured & maimed & disabled due to protective clothing, armor & transports & hi-tach field hospitals etc is coming back to haunt them. More than half of all the vets. who served in Iraq & Afghanistan are already claiming disability pensions plus massive medical care bills. And its going to get worse as they age.

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"They took the whole Palestinian Nation,
And locked us in this reservation....."

some Ozzy vocab: bugger fkd dam f*ck bugger bugger smacking bugger*ng farked fu#ckers effing smacking

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Reply #29 - Mar 21^st, 2013 at 1:50pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 20^th, 2013 at 6:19pm:

How can it be the same culture if, as you said, they have a "long history of hatred and warfare"? There must be something more than just simple disagreements for that to occur; like deep conflicting cultural values.

Anyway, if it hasn't worked in Iraq, how do you feel about importing these 3 tribes here under the guise of multiculturalism?

Morning Mist, does the term "civil war" mean anything to you?

Shouldn't you change your name to Morning Fog?

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