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Unions Win Easier Access To Recruit.
Mar 8th, 2013 at 6:08am
 
Unions win easier access to recruit as Fair Work changes to anger business

    by: Ewin Hannan, Industrial editor
    From: The Australian
    March 08, 2013

   

UNIONS will be given greater ability to recruit non-union members in workplaces and force long-running intractable disputes with employers into arbitration under major changes to the federal workplace laws that will spark a backlash from business.     Smiley

Workplace Relations Minister Bill Shorten yesterday briefed employers and union leaders on the proposed changes to the Fair Work Act that address a series of long-standing union demands.

Sources said the changes meant that unions would be able to secure arbitration of their long-running dispute with bionic ear-maker Cochlear, which has spent six years refusing to strike a deal with unions.

Employers accused the government of trying to re-impose "compulsory arbitration" on companies and vowed to campaign against the proposals.

While the government had been expected to allow for limited arbitration of disputes at resource projects, the proposal yesterday goes further, broadening the right to arbitration of intractable disputes in the wider workforce.


Unions would also benefit from increased right-of-entry provisions that will allow them to meet employees in their lunchroom during meal breaks.     Smiley

The proposal has been fiercely resisted by resource employers who assert non-unionists should be allowed to take their meal breaks without potentially being harassed.

Mr Shorten will announce the changes today. Employers said they were told they could not comment publicly on the plans before today.

ACTU secretary Dave Oliver last night welcomed the proposals as "long overdue changes that will bring back some balance to the laws".     Smiley

As part of its final response to its Fair Work Act review panel, it is understood the government is proposing that the Fair Work Commission, on its own motion, be able to undertake conciliation of negotiations for greenfield projects. Greenfield agreements outline employment conditions on new projects before workers are employed. As was the case before the introduction of the Howard government's WorkChoices, it is possible for employers to make greenfield agreements only with unions.

Employers claim the Fair Work Act has given unions a monopoly that has driven up construction costs and led to delays in project start-up dates.

Under Mr Shorten's proposal, where negotiations for a greenfield agreement reached an impasse a union or an employer could apply to the commission for a "limited form of arbitration" to resolve the bargaining dispute.

However, Mr Shorten told the meeting yesterday that limited access to arbitration should not be restricted to greenfield projects, and it would apply to intractable disputes in workplaces where there has never been an enterprise agreement in place.

Mr Shorten is expected to argue today that the government did not support easy access to arbitration. He will argue that he does not want the system to be "gamed" by either side and therefore the proposed model would apply in very limited circumstances.

The government does not propose to implement the panel recommendation that requires an employer to "take all reasonable steps to notify all unions with eligibility to represent relevant employees". As expected, it has ruled out the making of greenfield agreements by employers unilaterally.

Under the right of entry changes, the government has accepted the panel recommendations that the Fair Work Commission be given the power to resolve disputes about frequency of visits to workplaces by union representatives. BHP Billiton has been among the firms complaining about how often unions visit its sites and disrupt operations.

It is understood Mr Shorten, a former national secretary of the Australian Workers Union, has also delivered on a long-running push by unions, including by his union successor, Paul Howes, to allow officials to meet with workers during meal and other breaks in lunch and recreation rooms.

Mr Shorten told the meeting the proposal was driven by employers and union feedback as well as his own "practical experience". Where there is no agreement between employers and unions, the government proposes that talks be in the locations where the workers that union is entitled to represent and speak with, spend their break. If right of entry is limited to meal and other breaks, the government argues entry should occur in the places where workers spend those breaks.

It is understood Mr Shorten argued that he had taken a "commonsense view, informed by experience" that some of the issues with frequency could be resolved if access to employees was meaningful, in a convenient location, and provided permit rights were not abused.

The changes also look to deal with particular logistical issues associated with accessing sites and workers on remote sites, as well as managing access on these sites.

The government argues it will provide clear rules about how entry can be facilitated and managed, including what happens with transport, whether accommodation was needed, and what should be charged for doing so.

Mr Oliver said it was in the public interest that unions and employers stuck in intractable disputes had access to arbitration. He said he believed unions would be able to seek arbitration of the Cochlear dispute if the proposal became law.
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Reply #1 - Mar 8th, 2013 at 6:13am
 
Easir access to recruit new union members.  Thank you for that Mr Shorten, well done.     Smiley
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As I recall back in the day when my union recruited me; first I was threatened, then my family, my personal property damaged and $600 was demanded of me. Good to see that this is being extended to more and more people.


There is a reason why most people now will not have anything to do with unions; they are thugs and thieves who use the threat of violence to extort money from people.

bugger 'EM
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Reply #3 - Mar 8th, 2013 at 8:47am
 
How people so easily forget workchoices.     Sad
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Reply #4 - Mar 8th, 2013 at 8:50am
 
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How people so easily forget workchoices.     Sad


And doing the same thing, from the union side, isn't any better than workchoices.
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Reply #5 - Mar 8th, 2013 at 8:55am
 
Well past time that companies who refuse to negotiate were made to arbitrate. The oldest trick in the book is to just stay on the old deal while refusing to negotiate for years.
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Reply #6 - Mar 8th, 2013 at 8:57am
 
Unions representing a group should have reasonable access to that site and its members.
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Reply #7 - Mar 8th, 2013 at 8:57am
 
BigOl64 wrote on Mar 8th, 2013 at 8:35am:
As I recall back in the day when my union recruited me; first I was threatened, then my family, my personal property damaged and $600 was demanded of me. Good to see that this is being extended to more and more people.


There is a reason why most people now will not have anything to do with unions; they are thugs and thieves who use the threat of violence to extort money from people.

bugger 'EM



Yep, screw them.

The union threatened to close down the company I worked for as no one would join the union.

We were all paid over the award and had plenty of overtime if we wanted it (15 to 20 hours a week).

We, the workers told the union to piss off.
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Reply #8 - Mar 8th, 2013 at 8:58am
 
Dnarever wrote on Mar 8th, 2013 at 8:57am:
Unions representing a group should have reasonable access to that site and its members.



Why?
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Reply #9 - Mar 8th, 2013 at 9:02am
 
Because people have a right to be in a union.     Roll Eyes
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Reply #10 - Mar 8th, 2013 at 9:37am
 
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Because people have a right to be in a union.     Roll Eyes


They shore have so go down to the union office and join  Wink Wink
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Because people have a right to be in a union.     Roll Eyes



They also have a right not to as well crook.
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KJT1981 wrote on Mar 8th, 2013 at 8:58am:
Dnarever wrote on Mar 8th, 2013 at 8:57am:
Unions representing a group should have reasonable access to that site and its members.



Why?



A lot of the best work done by Unions when thay had reasonable access was in terms of safety, keeping them out left workplaces considerably less safe. Also having site access makes them more effective in supporting their members.
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Reply #13 - Mar 8th, 2013 at 10:45am
 
unions win easier access to recruit under a government that is top heavy with ex union leaders Grin Grin

who'd have thunk Wink
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KJT1981 wrote on Mar 8th, 2013 at 10:20am:
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Because people have a right to be in a union.    



They also have a right not to as well crook.


Funny how the employees who refuse to join a Union are happy enough to take all the conditions and pay rates the Union achieve while they undermine any future increases and improvments in conditions.
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