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Reply #30 - Mar 10^th, 2013 at 8:57am

Mr Bat, are you for real? Only a retard would imagine NK using ‘out of date’, similar to the aussie submarine ‘fleet’, vessels to lay mines (nuclear or otherwise) off the US coast.

The mistake the thumb sucking infantile “Haircut 100” may make is to attack SK and then unfortunately Australia may get a good dose of nuclear fallout from the US response.

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Reply #31 - Mar 10^th, 2013 at 11:19am

You guys would be well clear of any radiological effects. Not a big deal anyway as modern nuclear devices are extremely efficient and produce very little long term radiological byproducts. That efficiency combined with most weapons being targets as airbursts means fallout isn't a big deal anymore.

I'm still laughing at the notion that a 60 year old diesel-electric sub trying to play hide and seek with the combined ASW might of USPACOM. The second that sub hits international waters there's going to be P-3 loitering overhead waiting to shove.a torpedo up that Romeo's ass.

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Reply #32 - Mar 10^th, 2013 at 11:29am

Chard wrote on Mar 10^th, 2013 at 11:19am:

You guys would be well clear of any radiological effects. Not a big deal anyway as modern nuclear devices are extremely efficient and produce very little long term radiological byproducts. That efficiency combined with most weapons being targets as airbursts means fallout isn't a big deal anymore.

I'm still laughing at the notion that a 60 year old diesel-electric sub trying to play hide and seek with the combined ASW might of USPACOM. The second that sub hits international waters there's going to be P-3 loitering overhead waiting to shove.a torpedo up that Romeo's ass.

Thanks Chard,
then you can confirm that the USN is following every NK Sub?

Therefore I'm right.
Those subs are a threat.

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simonhall1900 Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 314	Re: North Korea to nuke the Yanks Reply #33 - Mar 10^th, 2013 at 11:58am Mr Bat, you're doing it again! Like Aussie 'classic' submarines, the only danger is to the crew who operate them. The US satillites can pinpoint a member of the Taliban playing with himself on the other side of the planet, so they can certainly target any number of old subs heading their way.........get a grip man!
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Reply #35 - Mar 10^th, 2013 at 12:22pm

No, Bobby, a 60 year old sub isn't a threat simply because of how obsolete it is against modern ASW kit. As far ad why we'd track on, well, we passively track everything in the Pacific ocean already thanks to a series of hydrophones arrays we have out there. If we notice that DPRK was readying to sortee a sub with a live nuclear weapon aboard we'd then assign ASW assets to actively monitor the sub and/or destroy it well before it can get anywhere near a point it could become a real threat.

Simply put, even nuclear armed a Romeo-class sub isn't a threat to us anymore than the handful of IRBM/ICBMs the DPRK has are a threat.

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The Heartless Felon Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2869 Gender:	Re: North Korea to nuke the Yanks Reply #36 - Mar 10^th, 2013 at 12:30pm Of course you would, Chard. You'd dive into your arsenal, pull your finger out and go "BANG!"
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Chard Gold Member Offline Mein Führer! I can walk! Posts: 1077 Alabama, USA Gender:	Re: North Korea to nuke the Yanks Reply #37 - Mar 10^th, 2013 at 12:53pm That pretty much sums it up, Heartless. A Romeo with a nuclear mine is about as much of a threat to us as an old B-29 with a Mk. 3 atomic bomb is. Sure, it has a nuclear devices, it's such a woefully inadequate delivery system that it would be absurdly easy for modern system to defeat.
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Reply #38 - Mar 10^th, 2013 at 1:04pm

Chard wrote on Mar 10^th, 2013 at 12:53pm:

That pretty much sums it up, Heartless. A Romeo with a nuclear mine is about as much of a threat to us as an old B-29 with a Mk. 3 atomic bomb is. Sure, it has a nuclear devices, it's such a woefully inadequate delivery system that it would be absurdly easy for modern system to defeat.

Dear Chard,
So you're saying that even though North Korea doesn't have a nuclear weapon
small enough that they could put on a missile - they could put one inside a sub
& sail towards the USA but they would never get there?
The USN would sink them first?

This could happen then & the USA must be watching the NK subs very closely right now.

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Reply #39 - Mar 10^th, 2013 at 2:07pm

Bobby. wrote on Mar 10^th, 2013 at 1:04pm:

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This could happen then & the USA must be watching the NK subs very closely right now.

We'd track DPRK because we track pretty much everything on, in, or around the Pacific ocean. We aren't doing so because of a capability we know the DPRK does not have. Regardless, even if the DPRK had properly weaponized nuclear devices they understand quite clearly that using them against the US would result in there no longer being a country called the Democratic People's Republic of Korea.

The entire Kim family is crazier than a pack of shithouse rats, but they always understand that they can't play wacky dictator to a nation of burning rubble.

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Reply #40 - Mar 10^th, 2013 at 2:09pm

Chard wrote on Mar 10^th, 2013 at 2:07pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 10^th, 2013 at 1:04pm:

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This could happen then & the USA must be watching the NK subs very closely right now.

We'd track DPRK because we track pretty much everything on, in, or around the Pacific ocean. We aren't doing so because of a capability we know the DPRK does not have. Regardless, even if the DPRK had properly weaponized nuclear devices they understand quite clearly that using them against the US would result in there no longer being a country called the Democratic People's Republic of Korea.

The entire Kim family is crazier than a pack of shithouse rats, but they always understand that they can't play wacky dictator to a nation of burning rubble.

Thanks Chard,
the whole world is relying on the USA to neutralise this threat.
It might get ugly before it gets better.

bobby

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Reply #41 - Mar 11^th, 2013 at 6:30am

Actually it's mostly the Chinese keeping the DPRK from going full retard. North Korea is entirely dependent on imported food, and the bulk of it comes from China. That's why this upcoming round of UNSC sanctions against the DPRK is noteworthy. The last month or two the Chinese have actually been cooperating fully with us on trying to fast track sanctions when normally they bluster and threaten to exercise their veto if the sanctions are to harsh.

We'll know for certain if the Chinese are serious come fall when the Chinese grain harvest is in. If Beijing send less that the usual amount or none at all to the DPRK then we'll get to see how good the current Kim is at poker.

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Reply #42 - Mar 11^th, 2013 at 6:59am

Bobby. wrote on Mar 10^th, 2013 at 2:09pm:

Chard wrote on Mar 10^th, 2013 at 2:07pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 10^th, 2013 at 1:04pm:

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This could happen then & the USA must be watching the NK subs very closely right now.

We'd track DPRK because we track pretty much everything on, in, or around the Pacific ocean. We aren't doing so because of a capability we know the DPRK does not have. Regardless, even if the DPRK had properly weaponized nuclear devices they understand quite clearly that using them against the US would result in there no longer being a country called the Democratic People's Republic of Korea.

The entire Kim family is crazier than a pack of shithouse rats, but they always understand that they can't play wacky dictator to a nation of burning rubble.

Thanks Chard,
the whole world is relying on the USA to neutralise this threat.
It might get ugly before it gets better.

bobby

Chard is right on this one Bobby.
What the US does is to some extent irrelevant.

The US hand is dealt - they are fully opposed to North Korea - everyone knows it and they've been quite clear.

North Korea gets little from the US in comparison to China.
So their view would be a 50% reduction of bugger all, is pretty much bugger all.

The Chinese however, who literally bankroll and feed the Koreans, thats a different ball game.

China, from my reading of it, is steadily losing patience with the North Koreans.
The Chinese are probably the most pragmatic race of people on this earth and North Korea is starting to embarrass China in discussions that China is having with major trading partners.

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Reply #43 - Mar 11^th, 2013 at 7:31am

Chard wrote on Mar 10^th, 2013 at 7:50am:

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he would not have forgotten Pearl Harbor surely??

even they wouldnt have written that out of their history books I wouldnt think...

does anyone know what might America has or Russia?... i doubt we do...but NK is a different kettle of fish...it has been poor for generations..

suddenly it is able to afford nuclear weapons..and make a threat to a country like America...

because it doesnt like being told it cannot just fire off nuclear weapons..

I wonder how the Nth Koreans are taking this news???

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Chard Gold Member Offline Mein Führer! I can walk! Posts: 1077 Alabama, USA Gender:	Re: North Korea to nuke the Yanks Reply #44 - Mar 11^th, 2013 at 8:20am Pearl Harbor? Ask the Japanese about how we dealt with them when the launched a conventional attack on Pearl. Not really worried as it's astronomically unlikely we'd ever allow a nuclear armed DPRK Romeo to get in visual range of the Hawaiian Islands, much less let them sail into Pearl.
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