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Reply #45 - Mar 11^th, 2013 at 1:26pm

Chard wrote on Mar 10^th, 2013 at 11:19am:

You guys would be well clear of any radiological effects. Not a big deal anyway as modern nuclear devices are extremely efficient and produce very little long term radiological byproducts. That efficiency combined with most weapons being targets as airbursts means fallout isn't a big deal anymore.

I'm still laughing at the notion that a 60 year old diesel-electric sub trying to play hide and seek with the combined ASW might of USPACOM. The second that sub hits international waters there's going to be P-3 loitering overhead waiting to shove.a torpedo up that Romeo's ass.

Our diesel/electrics made USPACOM look rather foolish a few years ago.

That's the trouble with placing too much faith in technology.

http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/australia/friday-fun-day-aussie-diesel-sub-outw...

Not that I think Batboys theory holds any weight.

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Chard Gold Member Offline Mein Führer! I can walk! Posts: 1077 Alabama, USA Gender:	Re: North Korea to nuke the Yanks Reply #46 - Mar 11^th, 2013 at 2:24pm Yeah, turns out modern diesel-electric can do some neat tricks. Sixty year old designs based on antiquated WWII technology not so much.
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Reply #47 - Mar 11^th, 2013 at 3:03pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 11^th, 2013 at 1:26pm:

Chard wrote on Mar 10^th, 2013 at 11:19am:

You guys would be well clear of any radiological effects. Not a big deal anyway as modern nuclear devices are extremely efficient and produce very little long term radiological byproducts. That efficiency combined with most weapons being targets as airbursts means fallout isn't a big deal anymore.

I'm still laughing at the notion that a 60 year old diesel-electric sub trying to play hide and seek with the combined ASW might of USPACOM. The second that sub hits international waters there's going to be P-3 loitering overhead waiting to shove.a torpedo up that Romeo's ass.

Our diesel/electrics made USPACOM look rather foolish a few years ago.

That's the trouble with placing too much faith in technology.

http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/australia/friday-fun-day-aussie-diesel-sub-outw...

Not that I think Batboys theory holds any weight.

Dear Smithy,

Thanks for the video link - quite impressive.
As for batboy - call me - Bobby the strategic adviser.

Who's to say that the NKs haven't upgraded their subs to still be formidable weapons?

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Reply #48 - Mar 12^th, 2013 at 6:09am

Bobby. wrote on Mar 11^th, 2013 at 3:03pm:

Who's to say that the NKs haven't upgraded their subs to still be formidable weapons?

You can only upgrade so much before hard limits imposed by hull design and little to no experience with shipbuilding halt further progress. You can replace all the electronics, you can sock a few nukes aboard, but in the end you're still dealing with a second genetation WWII German Type 21 and sinking those is something the US has quite a bit of experience with.

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Reply #49 - Mar 12^th, 2013 at 4:56pm

Chard wrote on Mar 12^th, 2013 at 6:09am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 11^th, 2013 at 3:03pm:

Who's to say that the NKs haven't upgraded their subs to still be formidable weapons?

You can only upgrade so much before hard limits imposed by hull design and little to no experience with shipbuilding halt further progress. You can replace all the electronics, you can sock a few nukes aboard, but in the end you're still dealing with a second generation WWII German Type 21 and sinking those is something the US has quite a bit of experience with.

You can also change the hull design - put quieter propellers etc.
My bet is that they are modernised more than you think.

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it_is_the_light Gold Member Offline Christ Light Posts: 41434 The Pyramid of LIGHT Gender:	Re: North Korea to nuke the Yanks Reply #50 - Mar 12^th, 2013 at 6:11pm no- one is nuking anyone anymore on this planet if anyone gets nuked i will leave this messageboard be at peace namaste - : )
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 105369 Melbourne Gender:	Re: North Korea to nuke the Yanks Reply #51 - Mar 12^th, 2013 at 7:15pm it_is_the_light wrote on Mar 12^th, 2013 at 6:11pm: no- one is nuking anyone anymore on this planet if anyone gets nuked i will leave this messageboard be at peace namaste - : ) Thanks dear master Light, I am greatly comforted. namaste
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gizmo_2655 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16010 South West NSW Gender:	Re: North Korea to nuke the Yanks Reply #52 - Mar 12^th, 2013 at 7:17pm it_is_the_light wrote on Mar 12^th, 2013 at 6:11pm: no- one is nuking anyone anymore on this planet if anyone gets nuked i will leave this messageboard be at peace namaste - : ) Well done Wharfy...FINALLY an ultimatum that you might win...
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it_is_the_light Gold Member Offline Christ Light Posts: 41434 The Pyramid of LIGHT Gender:	Re: North Korea to nuke the Yanks Reply #53 - Mar 12^th, 2013 at 7:22pm Love always wins in all ways deny? forgiven namaste - : )
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95911 Gender:	Re: North Korea to nuke the Yanks Reply #54 - Mar 12^th, 2013 at 8:57pm Stay as long as you can, Light. This time, you’re right. Love always wins - in the end.
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 105369 Melbourne Gender:	Re: North Korea to nuke the Yanks Reply #55 - Mar 12^th, 2013 at 11:01pm Karnal wrote on Mar 12^th, 2013 at 8:57pm: Stay as long as you can, Light. This time, you’re right. Love always wins - in the end. master Light is always right - he's never had to leave a thread yet. You're a doubting Thomas. forgiven namaste
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Cofgod Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 693 Bolton, Great Britain Gender:	Re: North Korea to nuke the Yanks Reply #56 - Mar 13^th, 2013 at 2:26am Bobby. wrote on Mar 9^th, 2013 at 9:38am: North Korea has threated a pre-emptive nuclear strike on the USA: Is that the same North Korea which keeps telling us that it has no nuclear weapons?
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Reply #57 - Mar 13^th, 2013 at 7:10am

Bobby. wrote on Mar 12^th, 2013 at 4:56pm:

Chard wrote on Mar 12^th, 2013 at 6:09am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 11^th, 2013 at 3:03pm:

Who's to say that the NKs haven't upgraded their subs to still be formidable weapons?

You can only upgrade so much before hard limits imposed by hull design and little to no experience with shipbuilding halt further progress. You can replace all the electronics, you can sock a few nukes aboard, but in the end you're still dealing with a second generation WWII German Type 21 and sinking those is something the US has quite a bit of experience with.

You can also change the hull design - put quieter propellers etc.
My bet is that they are modernised more than you think.

That's not changing the design. You're just replacing props. My point is that as old a design as the Romeo-class is tb ere is only so much that you can do to modernize it before you're forced to either buy or build an entirely new sub class.

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it_is_the_light Gold Member Offline Christ Light Posts: 41434 The Pyramid of LIGHT Gender:	Re: North Korea to nuke the Yanks Reply #58 - Mar 13^th, 2013 at 5:55pm Karnal wrote on Mar 12^th, 2013 at 8:57pm: Stay as long as you can, Light. This time, you’re right. Love always wins - in the end. blessings unto all hearts namaste - : )
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Reply #59 - Mar 13^th, 2013 at 6:27pm

Chard wrote on Mar 13^th, 2013 at 7:10am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 12^th, 2013 at 4:56pm:

Chard wrote on Mar 12^th, 2013 at 6:09am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 11^th, 2013 at 3:03pm:

Who's to say that the NKs haven't upgraded their subs to still be formidable weapons?

You can only upgrade so much before hard limits imposed by hull design and little to no experience with shipbuilding halt further progress. You can replace all the electronics, you can sock a few nukes aboard, but in the end you're still dealing with a second generation WWII German Type 21 and sinking those is something the US has quite a bit of experience with.

You can also change the hull design - put quieter propellers etc.
My bet is that they are modernised more than you think.

That's not changing the design. You're just replacing props. My point is that as old a design as the Romeo-class is tb ere is only so much that you can do to modernize it before you're forced to either buy or build an entirely new sub class.

Dear Chard,
On one hand you admit that the Yanks are following these subs because they are such a threat &
on the other you say they are obsolete & not a threat.

Make up your mind.

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