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Re: baby bonus
Reply #15 - Mar 12^th, 2013 at 6:29pm

newtown_grafitti wrote on Mar 12^th, 2013 at 8:07am:

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We haven't got the service or education facilities to cope with this current baby boom and we're churning out hundreds of thousands of illiterate kids who will be of little use to building a productive Australia.

What current baby boom?

The ABS advises that the current fertility rate in Australia in 2011 was on average 1.884 children per women. Yes, it is up, from 1.729 in 2001 - but it needs to be about 2.1 to maintain population at its present level. The only reason the Australian population isn't shrinking is because of the high level of immigration.

Peter Costello's sole purpose for the baby bonus was to create a huge population increase. Big businesses would love to see Australia hit 50 million - more consumers for them.

We are in the middle of a massive baby boom - regardless of what the ABS states. Go back and look at the 1961 statistics and compare.

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AUSTRALIA is in the midst of the biggest baby boom in our history. Final figures for 2011 are expected to show the number of births topping 300,000 eclipsing the 250,000 children born at the peak of the original baby boom in 1961.

"These numbers are absolutely unprecedented,'' social researcher Mark McCrindle said.

And the rush of new arrivals will help the country hit another milestone in 2012, with the population reaching 23 million some time in July. Latest Australian Bureau of Statistics figures show Australia's population grew 1.4 per cent over the past year nearly one and a half times the global average.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/life/families/baby-this-is-some-big-boom/story-e6frer7o-1226234071517

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Re: baby bonus
Reply #16 - Mar 12^th, 2013 at 6:45pm

actually, the worst one i know of (and yes i know this lady quite well)

she was a hep c positive speed using druggo .
got pregnant and diagnosed with twins.
had premature labor and stillbirth x 2 at 26 weeks.
hospital/governent paid to bury the kids.
got $10,000 (its true) because the baby bonus kicks in at 20 weeks pregnancy.
blew it all up her nose or arms .

oh well, i suppose it keynesian stimulus economics . the lefties will still point to the increase in economic activity Wink

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Re: baby bonus
Reply #17 - Mar 12^th, 2013 at 7:44pm

newtown_grafitti wrote on Mar 12^th, 2013 at 9:13am:

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Why do we take it for granted that higher population = better?

Who's "we"?

The Japanese don't seem to think so - or at least think so sufficiently to do something about it. According to an estimate in January last year, then current population size was starting to shrink and by 2060, will be down from 128 million to 87 million. By that time the proportion of people over 65 will have risen from 23% to 40%.

Unlike many other countries, Japan does not encourage immigration of people born elsewhere. It will be interesting to see how this unfolds.

This subject is very interesting; some complain about women having children to get the baby bonus,others consider that Australia only keeps population rising, by mass immigration, and Japan's population is declining.
Japan is a very special case; they don't seem to take any refugees from other countries in; and UN surprises me, that they expect Australia and other wealthy nations to take in refugees but not Japan.
And in countries like Spain and Greece, there is 50% youth unemplyment.
What a crazy world. Food for thought.

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Re: baby bonus
Reply #18 - Mar 12^th, 2013 at 11:29pm

A few observations-

1) For a number of reasons, which will soon override the usual Economic gains reasons, the current OZ Population is already larger than we will have a capacity to sustain.

2) Because of the above, a Baby Bonus is therefore counter productive and it should therefore be done away with, ASAP.

3) The Baby Bonus is only one of many Expenditure items, which should be reviewed & then cancelled, IF it can not meet current fit & proper reasons for it to be retained.

4) Another of the Expenditure items, which should be reviewed & then done away with, are Local Councils, which are about as "useful as T!ts on a Bull and they are equally, as unproductive!

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Re: baby bonus
Reply #19 - Mar 13^th, 2013 at 10:36am

mantra wrote on Mar 12^th, 2013 at 6:29pm:

Peter Costello's sole purpose for the baby bonus was to create a huge population increase. Big businesses would love to see Australia hit 50 million - more consumers for them.

Governments and big business love population growth as it is an artificial way of growing the economy. If you look at GDP per capita we were in recession in 2009 and are probably in recession now.

http://www.indexmundi.com/facts/australia/gdp-per-capita-growth

As for the baby bonus. It was introduced as middle class welfare and I can't believe that we still have it. It should have been stopped a long time ago.

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Re: baby bonus
Reply #20 - Mar 15^th, 2013 at 7:25pm

newtown_grafitti wrote on Mar 12^th, 2013 at 8:07am:

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We haven't got the service or education facilities to cope with this current baby boom and we're churning out hundreds of thousands of illiterate kids who will be of little use to building a productive Australia.

What current baby boom?

The ABS advises that the current fertility rate in Australia in 2011 was on average 1.884 children per women. Yes, it is up, from 1.729 in 2001 - but it needs to be about 2.1 to maintain population at its present level. The only reason the Australian population isn't shrinking is because of the high level of immigration.

So what's your point? Is it somehow a better idea because it is also ineffective from that perspective?

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Re: baby bonus
Reply #21 - Mar 16^th, 2013 at 6:31am

aquascoot wrote on Mar 12^th, 2013 at 6:45pm:

actually, the worst one i know of (and yes i know this lady quite well)

she was a hep c positive speed using druggo .
got pregnant and diagnosed with twins.
had premature labor and stillbirth x 2 at 26 weeks.
hospital/governent paid to bury the kids.
got $10,000 (its true) because the baby bonus kicks in at 20 weeks pregnancy.
blew it all up her nose or arms .

oh well, i suppose it keynesian stimulus economics . the lefties will still point to the increase in economic activity Wink

Well! I guess that means everyone that gets the baby bonus is going to do that so better get rid of it.

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Re: baby bonus
Reply #22 - Mar 16^th, 2013 at 10:16am

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oh well, i suppose it keynesian stimulus economics . the lefties will still point to the increase in economic activity

It is the opposite of Keynesian economics. The baby bonus started when mainstream economists were calling for the retardation of economic activity, which is exactly what Keynsian economics called for. This was also on the front page of the paper at the time.

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olde.sault Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2913	Re: baby bonus Reply #23 - Mar 17^th, 2013 at 7:21am Kat wrote on Mar 12^th, 2013 at 5:37pm: I rest my case. How many kids are you mothering, Kat?
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