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Re: So are they illegal now?
Reply #105 - Mar 15^th, 2013 at 5:44pm

Maqqa wrote on Mar 15^th, 2013 at 5:28pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 15^th, 2013 at 4:43pm:

Their status as an asylum seeker doesn't have to be verified Maqqa.

Their status as a refugee, however, does have to be verified.

Their claim of being persecuted needs to be verified

Once it's been verified - they are given that status

They will use that status to obtain a VISA

Asylum seekers make a claim to be verified as a refugee, not to be verified as an asylum seeker.

By merely stating "I claim asylum" they become asylum seekers. No verification required.

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Reply #106 - Mar 15^th, 2013 at 5:52pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 15^th, 2013 at 5:29pm:

Maqqa wrote on Mar 15^th, 2013 at 5:28pm:

Maqqa wrote on Mar 15^th, 2013 at 4:01pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 15^th, 2013 at 3:58pm:

Nope, I'm not confused about anything.

I know the difference between an asylum seeker and a refugee.

Do tell with references

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To become an asylum seeker: no application or verification required.

To become a refugee: application and verification is required.

So if no verification is needed - then how do you know they require asylum?

and is this the current position by Australian laws whereby there's no need to verify their asylum claims and accept all asylum claims as truthful?

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Re: So are they illegal now?
Reply #107 - Mar 15^th, 2013 at 5:52pm

Maqqa wrote on Mar 15^th, 2013 at 5:28pm:

Maqqa wrote on Mar 15^th, 2013 at 4:01pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 15^th, 2013 at 3:58pm:

Nope, I'm not confused about anything.

I know the difference between an asylum seeker and a refugee.

Do tell with references

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Now I know you're just trolling.

Nobody could be as thick as you are acting.

I'm finished with you now Maqqa.

Here's a reference:

http://www.immi.gov.au/media/fact-sheets/62assistance.htm#a

Now read it, learn it, and don't come back until you understand it.

'In countries with discrete refugee assessment procedures, an asylum seeker is someone whose claim for protection has not been decided by the country in which she or he has submitted their claim. Not every asylum seeker will ultimately be recognised as a refugee, but every refugee is initially an asylum seeker.'

"claim for protection" Maqqa. Read it very carefully.

It does not say "claim to become an asylum seeker".

Why not? Because one does not need their claim as an asylum seeker to be "decided". They just say "I'm claiming asylum" and they are an asylum seeker.

Good day to you sir, and wipe the egg off your face on the way out.

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Re: So are they illegal now?
Reply #108 - Mar 15^th, 2013 at 5:53pm

Maqqa wrote on Mar 15^th, 2013 at 5:52pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 15^th, 2013 at 5:29pm:

Maqqa wrote on Mar 15^th, 2013 at 5:28pm:

Maqqa wrote on Mar 15^th, 2013 at 4:01pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 15^th, 2013 at 3:58pm:

Nope, I'm not confused about anything.

I know the difference between an asylum seeker and a refugee.

Do tell with references

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To become an asylum seeker: no application or verification required.

To become a refugee: application and verification is required.

So if no verification is needed - then how do you know they require asylum?

They open their mouths and say "I'm seeking asylum".

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Re: So are they illegal now?
Reply #109 - Mar 15^th, 2013 at 5:54pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 15^th, 2013 at 5:52pm:

Maqqa wrote on Mar 15^th, 2013 at 5:28pm:

Maqqa wrote on Mar 15^th, 2013 at 4:01pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 15^th, 2013 at 3:58pm:

Nope, I'm not confused about anything.

I know the difference between an asylum seeker and a refugee.

Do tell with references

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Now I know you're just trolling.

Nobody could be as thick as you are acting.

I'm finished with you now Maqqa.

Here's a reference:

http://www.immi.gov.au/media/fact-sheets/62assistance.htm#a

Now read it, learn it, and don't come back until you understand it.

'In countries with discrete refugee assessment procedures, an asylum seeker is someone whose claim for protection has not been decided by the country in which she or he has submitted their claim. Not every asylum seeker will ultimately be recognised as a refugee, but every refugee is initially an asylum seeker.'

"claim for protection" Maqqa. Read it very carefully.

It does not say "claim to become an asylum seeker".

Why not? Because one does not need their claim as an asylum seeker to be "decided". They just say "I'm claiming asylum" and they are an asylum seeker.

Good day to you sir, and wipe the egg off your face on the way out.

before making that claim

they would have entered Australia illegally

in addition - the quote is a definition by the UN Commission

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Re: So are they illegal now?
Reply #110 - Mar 15^th, 2013 at 5:57pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 15^th, 2013 at 5:53pm:

Maqqa wrote on Mar 15^th, 2013 at 5:52pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 15^th, 2013 at 5:29pm:

Maqqa wrote on Mar 15^th, 2013 at 5:28pm:

Maqqa wrote on Mar 15^th, 2013 at 4:01pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 15^th, 2013 at 3:58pm:

Nope, I'm not confused about anything.

I know the difference between an asylum seeker and a refugee.

Do tell with references

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To become an asylum seeker: no application or verification required.

To become a refugee: application and verification is required.

So if no verification is needed - then how do you know they require asylum?

They open their mouths and say "I'm seeking asylum".

Roll Eyes

Quote:

http://www.immi.gov.au/media/fact-sheets/62assistance.htm#a

In the Australian context, an asylum seeker is an applicant for a protection visa

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Re: So are they illegal now?
Reply #111 - Mar 15^th, 2013 at 6:01pm

Maqqa wrote on Mar 15^th, 2013 at 5:52pm:

and is this the current position by Australian laws whereby there's no need to verify their asylum claims and accept all asylum claims as truthful?

They are verified as an asylum seeker as soon as they say "I'm seeking asylum".

They are not, however, verified as a refugee. That's why they are detained and processed.

Roll Eyes

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Re: So are they illegal now?
Reply #112 - Mar 15^th, 2013 at 6:05pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 15^th, 2013 at 6:01pm:

Maqqa wrote on Mar 15^th, 2013 at 5:52pm:

and is this the current position by Australian laws whereby there's no need to verify their asylum claims and accept all asylum claims as truthful?

They are verified as an asylum seeker as soon as they say "I'm seeking asylum".

They are not, however, verified as a refugee. That's why they are detained and processed.

Roll Eyes

You say there are no application - but your source say different Grin

Quote:

http://www.immi.gov.au/media/fact-sheets/61protection.htm#e

Applicants are expected to put their claims in writing.

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Re: So are they illegal now?
Reply #113 - Mar 15^th, 2013 at 6:31pm

Maqqa wrote on Mar 15^th, 2013 at 6:05pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 15^th, 2013 at 6:01pm:

Maqqa wrote on Mar 15^th, 2013 at 5:52pm:

and is this the current position by Australian laws whereby there's no need to verify their asylum claims and accept all asylum claims as truthful?

They are verified as an asylum seeker as soon as they say "I'm seeking asylum".

They are not, however, verified as a refugee. That's why they are detained and processed.

Roll Eyes

You say there are no application - but your source say different Grin

Quote:

http://www.immi.gov.au/media/fact-sheets/61protection.htm#e

Applicants are expected to put their claims in writing.

OMG, you can not be that stupid.

That's a claim for a protection visa, i.e. a claim to become a refugee.

Not a claim to become an asylum seeker.

Read it: "Applications for protection visas ... "

It does not say "Applications to become an asylum seeker ... " does it Maqqa? Roll Eyes

Stop trolling.

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Re: So are they illegal now?
Reply #114 - Mar 15^th, 2013 at 7:51pm

If they come to Australia via the smugglers route, the government should not accept resettlement in Australia for those who arrive via such means.
Process the refugee claim certainly, keep them in detention certainly.
But they don't get to live in the community, fill our dole queue and be a burden, they can do that elsewhere.
That will drive the country shoppers to go somewhere else quick smart, and break the smugglers business model.
And Australia can get back to accepting real refugees from real refugee camps.
It's time the kid gloves came off, but it won't be up to Labor though.
They are simply incompetent and incapable of protecting our borders.

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Re: So are they illegal now?
Reply #116 - Mar 15^th, 2013 at 8:59pm

Maqqa wrote on Mar 15^th, 2013 at 6:05pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 15^th, 2013 at 6:01pm:

Maqqa wrote on Mar 15^th, 2013 at 5:52pm:

and is this the current position by Australian laws whereby there's no need to verify their asylum claims and accept all asylum claims as truthful?

They are verified as an asylum seeker as soon as they say "I'm seeking asylum".

They are not, however, verified as a refugee. That's why they are detained and processed.

Roll Eyes

You say there are no application - but your source say different Grin

Quote:

http://www.immi.gov.au/media/fact-sheets/61protection.htm#e

Applicants are expected to put their claims in writing.

you really are the epitome of stupid ....

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Re: So are they illegal now?
Reply #117 - Mar 15^th, 2013 at 10:09pm

John Smith wrote on Mar 15^th, 2013 at 8:59pm:

Maqqa wrote on Mar 15^th, 2013 at 6:05pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 15^th, 2013 at 6:01pm:

Maqqa wrote on Mar 15^th, 2013 at 5:52pm:

and is this the current position by Australian laws whereby there's no need to verify their asylum claims and accept all asylum claims as truthful?

They are verified as an asylum seeker as soon as they say "I'm seeking asylum".

They are not, however, verified as a refugee. That's why they are detained and processed.

Roll Eyes

You say there are no application - but your source say different Grin

Quote:

http://www.immi.gov.au/media/fact-sheets/61protection.htm#e

Applicants are expected to put their claims in writing.

you really are the epitome of stupid ....

WTF are you on about jecksit

it was pecker's reference that shot him down

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Re: So are they illegal now?
Reply #118 - Mar 15^th, 2013 at 10:10pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 15^th, 2013 at 6:31pm:

Maqqa wrote on Mar 15^th, 2013 at 6:05pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 15^th, 2013 at 6:01pm:

Maqqa wrote on Mar 15^th, 2013 at 5:52pm:

and is this the current position by Australian laws whereby there's no need to verify their asylum claims and accept all asylum claims as truthful?

They are verified as an asylum seeker as soon as they say "I'm seeking asylum".

They are not, however, verified as a refugee. That's why they are detained and processed.

Roll Eyes

You say there are no application - but your source say different Grin

Quote:

http://www.immi.gov.au/media/fact-sheets/61protection.htm#e

Applicants are expected to put their claims in writing.

OMG, you can not be that stupid.

That's a claim for a protection visa, i.e. a claim to become a refugee.

Not a claim to become an asylum seeker.

Read it: "Applications for protection visas ... "

It does not say "Applications to become an asylum seeker ... " does it Maqqa? Roll Eyes

Stop trolling.

The Aust government says that an asylum seeker is applying for a protection VISA

So if you don't want asylum - then FO

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Re: So are they illegal now?
Reply #119 - Mar 16^th, 2013 at 6:17am

Maqqa wrote on Mar 15^th, 2013 at 5:54pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 15^th, 2013 at 5:52pm:

Maqqa wrote on Mar 15^th, 2013 at 5:28pm:

Maqqa wrote on Mar 15^th, 2013 at 4:01pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 15^th, 2013 at 3:58pm:

Nope, I'm not confused about anything.

I know the difference between an asylum seeker and a refugee.

Do tell with references

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Now I know you're just trolling.

Nobody could be as thick as you are acting.

I'm finished with you now Maqqa.

Here's a reference:

http://www.immi.gov.au/media/fact-sheets/62assistance.htm#a

Now read it, learn it, and don't come back until you understand it.

'In countries with discrete refugee assessment procedures, an asylum seeker is someone whose claim for protection has not been decided by the country in which she or he has submitted their claim. Not every asylum seeker will ultimately be recognised as a refugee, but every refugee is initially an asylum seeker.'

"claim for protection" Maqqa. Read it very carefully.

It does not say "claim to become an asylum seeker".

Why not? Because one does not need their claim as an asylum seeker to be "decided". They just say "I'm claiming asylum" and they are an asylum seeker.

Good day to you sir, and wipe the egg off your face on the way out.

before making that claim

they would have entered Australia illegally

in addition - the quote is a definition by the UN Commission

Nope. They havent entered australia.

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