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Re: So are they illegal now?
Reply #75 - Mar 15^th, 2013 at 9:00am

John Smith wrote on Mar 15^th, 2013 at 8:55am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 15^th, 2013 at 7:54am:

Dnarever wrote on Mar 14^th, 2013 at 10:07pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 14^th, 2013 at 8:55pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 14^th, 2013 at 11:39am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 14^th, 2013 at 6:39am:

When "intercepted" by the navy, they promptly refuse to turn around and demand to be taken to Australia to claim asylum.

No, they claim asylum right there on the spot.

They don't need to be taken anywhere to claim asylum: all they have to do is say "I wish to claim asylum" once they are intercepted and they then become perfectly legal asylum seekers.

Then ... they apply for a protection visa.

Then is no application form or approval process to become an asylum seeker.

There is, however, an approval process to go through in order to be granted a protection visa and subsequently become a refugee.

Yep, they claim asylum and are detained for having illegally attempted to enter Australia or its territories without a valid passport or visa. This detention continues until they are either given asylum or deported when their claim is rejected. Call them asylum seekers or illegal immigrants, whatever. In this particular instance, those people arriving by boat are illegal immigrants.

Boat arrivals are called "irregular maritime arrivals" or "unauthorised boat arrivals" Till they request asylum (a short period of time) at which point they become Asylum seekers. The large percentage who are then processed successfully are then refugees. those who fail the test become illegal imigrants and are deported.

Yeah, nah... They're ALL illegal immigrants until their request for asylum is granted. If it's rejected, they are deported as illegal immigrants. I can see where this simple distinction would trip up a simpleton like you.

you are a jackass.

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Re: So are they illegal now?
Reply #76 - Mar 15^th, 2013 at 9:24am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 15^th, 2013 at 9:00am:

John Smith wrote on Mar 15^th, 2013 at 8:55am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 15^th, 2013 at 7:54am:

Dnarever wrote on Mar 14^th, 2013 at 10:07pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 14^th, 2013 at 8:55pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 14^th, 2013 at 11:39am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 14^th, 2013 at 6:39am:

When "intercepted" by the navy, they promptly refuse to turn around and demand to be taken to Australia to claim asylum.

No, they claim asylum right there on the spot.

They don't need to be taken anywhere to claim asylum: all they have to do is say "I wish to claim asylum" once they are intercepted and they then become perfectly legal asylum seekers.

Then ... they apply for a protection visa.

Then is no application form or approval process to become an asylum seeker.

There is, however, an approval process to go through in order to be granted a protection visa and subsequently become a refugee.

Yep, they claim asylum and are detained for having illegally attempted to enter Australia or its territories without a valid passport or visa. This detention continues until they are either given asylum or deported when their claim is rejected. Call them asylum seekers or illegal immigrants, whatever. In this particular instance, those people arriving by boat are illegal immigrants.

Boat arrivals are called "irregular maritime arrivals" or "unauthorised boat arrivals" Till they request asylum (a short period of time) at which point they become Asylum seekers. The large percentage who are then processed successfully are then refugees. those who fail the test become illegal imigrants and are deported.

Yeah, nah... They're ALL illegal immigrants until their request for asylum is granted. If it's rejected, they are deported as illegal immigrants. I can see where this simple distinction would trip up a simpleton like you.

you are a jackass.

Takes one to know one...

Did you think that one up all by yourself? I bet you had help .....

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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: So are they illegal now? Reply #77 - Mar 15^th, 2013 at 9:26am What's that now? Five posts in a row just abusing the poster? Enlightening Johnny.
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Re: So are they illegal now?
Reply #78 - Mar 15^th, 2013 at 9:28am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 14^th, 2013 at 8:55pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 14^th, 2013 at 11:39am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 14^th, 2013 at 6:39am:

When "intercepted" by the navy, they promptly refuse to turn around and demand to be taken to Australia to claim asylum.

No, they claim asylum right there on the spot.

They don't need to be taken anywhere to claim asylum: all they have to do is say "I wish to claim asylum" once they are intercepted and they then become perfectly legal asylum seekers.

Then ... they apply for a protection visa.

Then is no application form or approval process to become an asylum seeker.

There is, however, an approval process to go through in order to be granted a protection visa and subsequently become a refugee.

Yep, they claim asylum and are detained for having illegally attempted to enter Australia or its territories without a valid passport or visa. This detention continues until they are either given asylum or deported when their claim is rejected. Call them asylum seekers or illegal immigrants, whatever. In this particular instance, those people arriving by boat are illegal immigrants.

100% incorrect.

Not sure where you're getting your information from, but it's all bad.

Sorry.

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Re: So are they illegal now?
Reply #79 - Mar 15^th, 2013 at 9:35am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 14^th, 2013 at 8:53pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 14^th, 2013 at 11:27am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 13^th, 2013 at 7:23pm:

When is something "unlawful" not illegal???

'Unlawful' means not authorized by law.

'Illegal' means forbidden by law.

Something 'illegal' is expressly proscribed by statute, and something 'unlawful' is just not expressly authorised.

A subtle difference that I wouldn't expect you to understand.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 13^th, 2013 at 7:23pm:

Just can't get your head around the FACT they are illegal immigrants, eh?

That is 100% incorrect.

Asylum seekers are neither 'illegal' nor 'immigrants'.

Okay, lets humour you. If we say that they are not immigrants then we're getting somewhere. By definition, a person seeking asylum is not necessarily seeking permanent resettlement. A true asylum seeker is looking for a safe haven until their homeland is safe to return to. That isn't the case with these people who come in the tens of thousands by boat. They seek to stay because - as they put it - life is better here. Can't say I blame them for wanting to live here, but there is a proper process for moving here and they are abusing it.

No, they're not abusing any "proper process".

Asylum seeking is a perfectly valid and legal component of Australia's Humanitarian Program.

You may wish to do a little research on this subject.

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Re: So are they illegal now?
Reply #80 - Mar 15^th, 2013 at 9:42am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 15^th, 2013 at 7:54am:

Dnarever wrote on Mar 14^th, 2013 at 10:07pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 14^th, 2013 at 8:55pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 14^th, 2013 at 11:39am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 14^th, 2013 at 6:39am:

When "intercepted" by the navy, they promptly refuse to turn around and demand to be taken to Australia to claim asylum.

No, they claim asylum right there on the spot.

They don't need to be taken anywhere to claim asylum: all they have to do is say "I wish to claim asylum" once they are intercepted and they then become perfectly legal asylum seekers.

Then ... they apply for a protection visa.

Then is no application form or approval process to become an asylum seeker.

There is, however, an approval process to go through in order to be granted a protection visa and subsequently become a refugee.

Yep, they claim asylum and are detained for having illegally attempted to enter Australia or its territories without a valid passport or visa. This detention continues until they are either given asylum or deported when their claim is rejected. Call them asylum seekers or illegal immigrants, whatever. In this particular instance, those people arriving by boat are illegal immigrants.

Boat arrivals are called "irregular maritime arrivals" or "unauthorised boat arrivals" Till they request asylum (a short period of time) at which point they become Asylum seekers. The large percentage who are then processed successfully are then refugees. those who fail the test become illegal immigrants and are deported.

Yeah, nah... They're ALL illegal immigrants until their request for asylum is granted. If it's rejected, they are deported as illegal immigrants. I can see where this simple distinction would trip up a simpleton like you.

Often the insult has more to say about the quality and or intelligence of the poster.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 75295 Gender:	Re: So are they illegal now? Reply #81 - Mar 15^th, 2013 at 10:29am Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 15^th, 2013 at 9:26am: What's that now? Five posts in a row just abusing the poster? Enlightening Johnny. keeping count are you? d!ckhead (opps, I guess thats 6)
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 139946 Gender:	Re: So are they illegal now? Reply #82 - Mar 15^th, 2013 at 11:10am Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 14^th, 2013 at 8:55pm: Call them asylum seekers or illegal immigrants, whatever. No, it's not a case of "whatever". Those are two completely different things. Asylum seekers aren't illegal immigrants, no matter what their mode of transport.
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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: So are they illegal now? Reply #83 - Mar 15^th, 2013 at 11:31am Seriously, I think we need some more threads on illegal boat people. I don't think we have enough.
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 139946 Gender:	Re: So are they illegal now? Reply #84 - Mar 15^th, 2013 at 11:36am Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 15^th, 2013 at 11:31am: Seriously, I think we need some more threads on illegal boat people. I don't think we have enough. What are "illegal boat people"? People speeding on Sydney Harbour?
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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: So are they illegal now? Reply #85 - Mar 15^th, 2013 at 11:38am You know what I mean. I don;t really care for them all that much, just keep them out of my suburb. The only thing I always wonder is why is it all they ever seem able to do is drive a cab?
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Re: So are they illegal now?
Reply #86 - Mar 15^th, 2013 at 1:12pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 15^th, 2013 at 11:31am:

Seriously, I think we need some more threads on illegal boat people.

I don't think we have enough.

There are many more threads about it then there are actual illegal boat people.

You could probably assign a thread individually to each one and then delete the other 300 unused threads.

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Reply #87 - Mar 15^th, 2013 at 1:18pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 15^th, 2013 at 11:38am:

You know what I mean.

I don;t really care for them all that much, just keep them out of my suburb.

The only thing I always wonder is why is it all they ever seem able to do is drive a cab?

It was the same in the 70's for the asians and groups before that. problem is that most of their qualifications and experience do not count in Australia. Their children and future generations tend to contribute big time.

Very probable that this group will be the same, not like the useless pommy pilots we took from the 60's or 70's.

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Re: So are they illegal now?
Reply #88 - Mar 15^th, 2013 at 1:56pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 15^th, 2013 at 9:35am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 14^th, 2013 at 8:53pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 14^th, 2013 at 11:27am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 13^th, 2013 at 7:23pm:

When is something "unlawful" not illegal???

'Unlawful' means not authorized by law.

'Illegal' means forbidden by law.

Something 'illegal' is expressly proscribed by statute, and something 'unlawful' is just not expressly authorised.

A subtle difference that I wouldn't expect you to understand.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 13^th, 2013 at 7:23pm:

Just can't get your head around the FACT they are illegal immigrants, eh?

That is 100% incorrect.

Asylum seekers are neither 'illegal' nor 'immigrants'.

Okay, lets humour you. If we say that they are not immigrants then we're getting somewhere. By definition, a person seeking asylum is not necessarily seeking permanent resettlement. A true asylum seeker is looking for a safe haven until their homeland is safe to return to. That isn't the case with these people who come in the tens of thousands by boat. They seek to stay because - as they put it - life is better here. Can't say I blame them for wanting to live here, but there is a proper process for moving here and they are abusing it.

No, they're not abusing any "proper process".

Asylum seeking is a perfectly valid and legal component of Australia's Humanitarian Program.

You may wish to do a little research on this subject.

Australia has a very generous refugee intake program. These people are abusing it by flying into Indonesia with a passport and visa on international flights with the sole purpose of paying people smugglers to board leaking boats for a dangerous voyage to come here. Not only do they throw their passports and identifying documents overboard, they breach UNHCR rules on what constitutes a refugee by passing through a safe country on their way here. That voids their claim for asylum. So not only do they take the place of genuine refugees suffering in UN camps with little or no security, food and health care, they do not even meet the UN's own criteria for claiming asylum. Besides all that, asylum seekers generally request asylum as a safe haven until their country is safe to return to. These people are still on welfare years after arriving, creating a massive drain on government revenue. To top it all off, this mess is entirely of Labor's making from way back in 2008 when Rudd scrapped a policy that was clearly working - the Pacific Solution. So any way you look at it, your position is that of a first-class loser!

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96762	Re: So are they illegal now? Reply #89 - Mar 15^th, 2013 at 2:02pm These people!
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