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Who Are The Real Bludgers.
Mar 13th, 2013 at 10:55am
 
Who are the real bludgers?

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    March 13, 2013
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John Watson


Something's awry when the needy are dismissed as welfare spongers and the well-off crave handouts.    


Welfare dependency, most agree, is an ugly thing. It is also a loaded term that brings to mind bludgers addicted to government benefits.

We're not thinking, of course, of the 44 per cent of taxpayers who get more in benefits than they pay in. Who dares suggest ''working families'', even if quite well off, are guilty of some sort of moral failing for accepting state handouts?

It seems the better off feel entitled to better treatment by government. Their status as wealth generators is a passport to ''diplomatic immunity'' from accusations of sponging off the state - however disproportionate to need their benefits and tax concessions may be. Similarly, while age pensioners get the biggest slice of $132 billion in welfare spending (36 per cent of the budget), they are seen to have earned the right to be dependent on government - even those living in $1 million-plus homes. Pensioners and their assets are untouchable, too.

The young, unemployed and single mothers are subject to a different standard. They get lower benefits, often too low to keep them out of poverty, but are treated as a morally suspect underclass that lives off taxpayers who have worked hard for everything they have.     Sad


The young jobless have even been accused of being ''job snobs'' who just need to get off their bums to find work. Under-30s in areas with unskilled job vacancies may lose benefits under the Coalition, which also wants long-term unemployed under 50 to work for the dole. Their ''free ride'' is set to end.

Single mums have already copped it. The Gillard government shifted them from a single parent benefit to Newstart, which allows fewer hours of paid work before payments are cut. The government disregarded the impact on low-income families to save $728 million over four years.

However, much better-off ''working families'' who have come to rely on government to boost their finances seemingly have little to fear from the bipartisan savings drive.

Families with children are the second-biggest recipients of welfare spending - about $34 billion a year. Most goes on family tax benefits A and B, but there are also childcare benefits and rebates, paid parental leave, schoolchildren's and baby bonuses and carer allowances. The full list of family benefits is very long.     Huh

Many who receive family welfare are, on any reasonable definition, not needy. Couples with two children in the middle 50 per cent range of incomes ($80,000 to $135,000) may qualify for most or all of the above benefits. One partner can earn up to $150,000 and the second up to $25,623 and they can still get something from Family Tax Benefit B, which costs about $4.5 billion a year.

A reality check on incomes: 50 per cent of households had incomes below $65,000 in the 2011 census. Half of all workers earn $50,000 or less.     Huh

Given how much welfare money goes to middle and high-income families, you'd think the budget costs of ''middle-class welfare'' would be a natural target for savings, especially when Abbott has declared: ''The fiscal position will always be better under the Coalition because budget surpluses and reducing debt, paying back debt, that's in our DNA.''

Yet family payments seem to be off-limits. The Coalition even proposes to add Abbott's $3 billion-a-year paid parental leave plan so benefits for high-income earners are proportionate to their earnings.

When last year's budget trimmed the baby bonus for households with incomes of up to $75,000 in the six months after birth, this was said to be a ''vicious and savage'' attack on families. But just because maternity allowances are an Australian tradition - Labor started them at five pounds in 1912 - that does not mean we can afford to make such benefits an inviolable universal entitlement.

What about private health cover, which gets government support worth $5 billion a year? Policy holders received a 30 per cent rebate on premiums regardless of incomes until the government legislated last year to reduce rebates for single people earning more than $83,000 (the top 20 per cent) and families more than $166,000. Rebates cut out at $129,000 and $258,000. The saving is $2.4 billion over three years.

Abbott vows to restore the full rebate for all as soon as possible, for the usual genetic reasons. ''Private health insurance is in our DNA. It is our raison d'etre, that is why we exist as a political movement, to give more support and encourage people who want to get ahead.''     Sad

They're getting ahead all right, especially via superannuation. Tax concessions cost $32 billion a year, but any move to stem the bleeding has the beneficiaries and their advocates screaming ''class war''.   
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Reply #1 - Mar 13th, 2013 at 10:58am
 
They're also winning that war hands down, by the way. Super concessions work by taxing contributions and earnings at 15 per cent instead of a taxpayer's marginal rate, so the benefit expands the more you earn. Treasury calculates the top 5 per cent of earners get 37 per cent of the value of concessions. The average male's total super balance as they near retirement isn't worth even half the top earners' average tax concessions of $520,000.     Sad

Health and superannuation benefits fatten up the industries as well. Benefits that supplement low incomes are also a de facto subsidy for bosses who can boost their own incomes by paying people less than they could live on without state help.   

Far too many Australians on good incomes have come to rely in many ways on an overstretched welfare budget, one that began as a safety net for the truly needy. This culture of entitlement represents a greater and more insidious moral failing than applies to the vulnerable few whose dependency we scorn.     Angry

John Watson is an Age senior writer.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/comment/who-are-the-real-bludgers-20130312-2fyf3.html#ixzz2NNQr1HXB
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Reply #2 - Mar 13th, 2013 at 11:18am
 
And all SO true.
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Reply #3 - Mar 13th, 2013 at 11:58am
 
Mostly bull manure.....

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John Watson is an Age senior writer


...he's also a 'true believer' and as one is unable to understand cause and effect, and specifically the effect that disincentive has on people's actions. He does not understand that rewarding something creates more of it, and that rewarding need creates more need and rewarding welfare dependents creates more welfare dependents.....
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Reply #4 - Mar 13th, 2013 at 12:15pm
 
Swagman wrote on Mar 13th, 2013 at 11:58am:
Mostly bull manure.....

Quote:
John Watson is an Age senior writer


...he's also a 'true believer' and as one is unable to understand cause and effect, and specifically the effect that disincentive has on people's actions. He does not understand that rewarding something creates more of it, and that rewarding need creates more need and rewarding welfare dependents creates more welfare dependents.....


More crap from Swagman who fails to understand people have to eat to live.
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Reply #5 - Mar 13th, 2013 at 12:51pm
 
Peter Freedman wrote on Mar 13th, 2013 at 12:15pm:
Swagman wrote on Mar 13th, 2013 at 11:58am:
Mostly bull manure.....

Quote:
John Watson is an Age senior writer


...he's also a 'true believer' and as one is unable to understand cause and effect, and specifically the effect that disincentive has on people's actions. He does not understand that rewarding something creates more of it, and that rewarding need creates more need and rewarding welfare dependents creates more welfare dependents.....


More crap from Swagman who fails to understand people have to eat to live.


I tell you what, how about these people get a fking job?
Or is that too much to ask.
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Reply #6 - Mar 13th, 2013 at 12:55pm
 
Swagman wrote on Mar 13th, 2013 at 11:58am:
Mostly bull manure.....

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John Watson is an Age senior writer


...he's also a 'true believer' and as one is unable to understand cause and effect, and specifically the effect that disincentive has on people's actions. He does not understand that rewarding something creates more of it, and that rewarding need creates more need and rewarding welfare dependents creates more welfare dependents.....


yep swagman,  you are 100 % correct.  the welfare state leads to cuba, greece and civil unrest.  give me good healthy capitalism any day. the states job is to keep the capitalists honest.  competition policy , if used correctly will drag everyone up.
reward for failure and punishment for success is an incredibly counter productive idea.  paradoxicly, those who suffer most in a socialist state are the poor.
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Reply #7 - Mar 13th, 2013 at 1:02pm
 
Before I will talk to anyone in the businessor the Government or centrelink I have alist of questiions...

1.  Are you an Atheist
2.  Are you a liar
3.  Are you a homosexual
4.  What is your opinion of Christians
5.  Do you confess yoursins
6.  Do you keep Gods commandments
7.  Are you violent

Depending on their answers to these and other questions is whether I will even talk to them.  I will not place myself at the mercy of persecution from atheists without the oportunity to judge them and testify against them if they are evil godless scum...
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Reply #8 - Mar 13th, 2013 at 1:04pm
 
corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 13th, 2013 at 1:02pm:
Before I will talk to anyone in the businessor the Government or centrelink I have alist of questiions...

1.  Are you an Atheist
2.  Are you a liar
3.  Are you a homosexual
4.  What is your opinion of Christians
5.  Do you confess yoursins
6.  Do you keep Gods commandments
7.  Are you violent

Depending on their answers to these and other questions is whether I will even talk to them.  I will not place myself at the mercy of persecution from atheists without the oportunity to judge them and testify against them if they are evil godless scum...


I guess with that list of questions you are either hung up on, or escorted off the premises..
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Reply #9 - Mar 13th, 2013 at 1:07pm
 
Swagman wrote on Mar 13th, 2013 at 11:58am:
Mostly bull manure.....

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John Watson is an Age senior writer


...he's also a 'true believer' and as one is unable to understand cause and effect, and specifically the effect that disincentive has on people's actions. He does not understand that rewarding something creates more of it, and that rewarding need creates more need and rewarding welfare dependents creates more welfare dependents.....


Well thats seriously off topic because nobody is rewarding any welfare recipients.

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Reply #10 - Mar 13th, 2013 at 1:08pm
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 13th, 2013 at 1:04pm:
corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 13th, 2013 at 1:02pm:
Before I will talk to anyone in the businessor the Government or centrelink I have alist of questiions...

1.  Are you an Atheist
2.  Are you a liar
3.  Are you a homosexual
4.  What is your opinion of Christians
5.  Do you confess yoursins
6.  Do you keep Gods commandments
7.  Are you violent

Depending on their answers to these and other questions is whether I will even talk to them.  I will not place myself at the mercy of persecution from atheists without the oportunity to judge them and testify against them if they are evil godless scum...


I guess with that list of questions you are either hung up on, or escorted off the premises..

It wont be me seeking themk out...these are my questions for them if they require anything of me and I do not care who they are././.police, Government, centrelink anyone who requires something of me will have to answer to my saticfaction these questions which will determine if I want to deal with them... Smiley
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Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 13th, 2013 at 12:51pm:
Peter Freedman wrote on Mar 13th, 2013 at 12:15pm:
Swagman wrote on Mar 13th, 2013 at 11:58am:
Mostly bull manure.....

Quote:
John Watson is an Age senior writer


...he's also a 'true believer' and as one is unable to understand cause and effect, and specifically the effect that disincentive has on people's actions. He does not understand that rewarding something creates more of it, and that rewarding need creates more need and rewarding welfare dependents creates more welfare dependents.....


More crap from Swagman who fails to understand people have to eat to live.


I tell you what, how about these people get a fking job?
Or is that too much to ask.


You are just trolling because i know you know better. You have been told numerous times. How many jobs are actually available in australia? Hmmm?

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Reply #12 - Mar 13th, 2013 at 1:15pm
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 13th, 2013 at 1:07pm:
Swagman wrote on Mar 13th, 2013 at 11:58am:
Mostly bull manure.....

Quote:
John Watson is an Age senior writer


...he's also a 'true believer' and as one is unable to understand cause and effect, and specifically the effect that disincentive has on people's actions. He does not understand that rewarding something creates more of it, and that rewarding need creates more need and rewarding welfare dependents creates more welfare dependents.....


Well thats seriously off topic because nobody is rewarding any welfare recipients.

SOB



you could try asia , our new partners in the asian century where the reward for being out of a job is scavenging rites at the local tip. Wink
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Reply #13 - Mar 13th, 2013 at 1:16pm
 
Conservatives do not like the truth at all.
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Reply #14 - Mar 13th, 2013 at 1:19pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Mar 13th, 2013 at 1:16pm:
Conservatives do not like the truth at all.



There's that broad brush again.

Bit like saying all Left wingers are tree huggers and poofters.
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