Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 13^th, 2013 at 12:51pm:


I tell YOU what, Kaffir hater. How about you getting some fking
humanity?
Or is that too much to ask?

Peter Freedman wrote on Mar 13^th, 2013 at 1:25pm:



how about you provide ANY evidence whatsoever that I made any comment relating to kaffirs?
Or do you just describe anyone with Afrikaner heritage as racists in that 'one blanket fits all' Left wing way of yours?

Throw it out there sheep-shagger.

Peter Freedman wrote on Mar 13^th, 2013 at 12:15pm:


Oh I understand that people have to eat and live all right.

The fact that people have to eat to live is the incentive to work and improve one's self.

The problem with leftism is that it removes the incentive to improve one's self.  Why work harder when the rewards are stolen and redistributed to some lazy prick who chooses not to work?

When you reward something you get more of it.

Reward effort and you get more effort, reward laziness and you get more laziness.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 13^th, 2013 at 1:19pm:


It was an observation based on the comments of the conservatives here on this topic.

The conclusion seems reasonable.

Surprised to see someone without bias like you take the conservative line again, about the 10,000th time in a row I would think. At some point maybe you should re consider your level of biaslessness.

Dnarever wrote on Mar 13^th, 2013 at 2:40pm:



the way i see it is this.  people who are good in business and smart  tend to make more money.
they also tend to be able to see what effects , different policy options will have on the economy (and the ability of the economy to provide more prosperity).

so when a rich person says, increasing welfare is a disincentive and will take the prosperity of ALL australians backwards.
is this a rich person talking from interest ?
or a smart person (a street smart person) who simply understands the impact of policy?

to be honest, i make heaps and a lot more than i need.
as a buddhist , i dont really care about showing off my wealth and lets face it, it only impresses the aspiring middle classes who are often not very nice people (the "keeping up with the jones set") but i do love my country and my kids and i love people who try hard and i want to see them suceed and have a prosperous life.

and i think rich people should practice philanthropy in the way many americans do.

but i am smart enough to see the writing on the wall.

whinging about more welfare (government welfare that is) is simply the wrong policy for australia.

i'm happy to see my tax dollars put into education or reducing hecs fees or the environment but welfare is the wrong model for australia in the next century.

and thats speaking as a smart person, not through my hip pocket.  welfare money can be channelled into money for training or business start ups for the poor but if just given as $$$ it will end up being wasted and the problem will continue to worsen.  we should aim to have less than 10 % of people recieving any governent hand outs, at all. and the same goes for business.  welfare to business sends the wrong message and weakens australia.

Believers simply have to draw a line in the sand about having atheists having influence over our lives or the government of our lives, they must be cast out - we must have zero tolerance with attacks on us for our beliefs and our values.  Charity and helping the poor must always be the cornerstone of a Christian God fearing society and atheism must be given no quarter...

the OP was really a very poorly argued peice. Apart from list the welfare benefits that apply, what point did he make? Whiel agreeing with Andrei always makes me doubt my beleifs, in this case he has a valid (if unsubtle) point. Wnhy dont they get a job In all the complaints, in all of the ranting, no one singe reference was made to working to improve your life. That IS the bludger mentality.

we all have to work to get ahead in life.