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Reply #60 - Mar 16th, 2013 at 6:57am
 
Here's what I don't understand - why the rush to get this passed into law next week??? What is so urgent that it needs to be passed so soon?
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Reply #61 - Mar 16th, 2013 at 7:08am
 
Besides that, if it does pass then it'll be the most short-lived legislation ever as Abbott will destroy it when he becomes PM in September...
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Reply #62 - Mar 16th, 2013 at 7:14am
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 16th, 2013 at 6:57am:
Here's what I don't understand - why the rush to get this passed into law next week??? What is so urgent that it needs to be passed so soon?

CFMEU braces for next chapter to ICAC probe

By Nonee Walsh

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The coal miners' union is bracing itself for a damaging series of revelations from an anti-corruption inquiry involving a well respected former leader.

The Independent Commission Against Corruption's probe into the granting of mining licences to entities connected to the family of New South Wales Labor Party powerbroker Eddie Obeid has already damaged the ALP.

Now the Construction, Forestry, Mining and Energy Union (CFMEU) is bracing itself for a reputational hit in the next part of the inquiry due to begin on Monday.

The CFMEU's former national secretary, John Maitland, is staying out of the public eye at the moment and has cancelled today's public auction of a $1.6 million farm near Kempsey on the NSW north coast.

However the former union veteran still has $5 million worth of property on the market, including a $3 million dollar property in Victoria owned through his family company Jonca.

Mr Maitland bought the farms after he became a multi-millionaire just four short years after retiring as CFMEU head.

That wealth came on the back of an investment of less than $200,000 and a mining licence issued by his friend, the then NSW mining minister Ian Macdonald.

It was the same year Mr Maitland became a Member of the Order of Australia, in recognition of his services to international and Australian industrial relations.

Now the unravelling of the story of the rise from union man to rich mining investor threatens to drag in his former union colleagues.

The ABC understands that a number of mining union officials have been called to give evidence to the ICAC about the Doyles Creek coal exploration licence, and the associated $10 million share price windfall to Mr Maitland.

Just two months after he left the union Mr Maitland began buying shares in a company called Nucoal. A $1 shelf company was also established, which became Doyles Creek Mining.

Among Mr Maitland's plans was for an operation to train people to work in underground mines.

Some time after his first approach to Ian Mcdonald about his training mine, Mr Maitland became a director and later chairman of Doyles Creek Mining.

The training mine idea had been proposed a decade before, when Mr Obeid was minerals minister, and it had been a strong interest of Mr Maitland in his time in the CFMEU.

A plan for a large coal mine to fund it between the town of Jerrys Plains and the Wollemi National Park was rejected between 1999 and 2000 by the state government because the area was environmentally sensitive.

But the licence for a training mine and exploration licence was issued by Mr Macdonald in late 2008, against departmental advice, to Doyles Creek Mining.

Doyles Creek was then taken over by Nucoal and, when the company was publicly floated in 2010, John Maitland sold almost $6 million worth of shares. After that he began buying up the farms which he is now selling.

The veracity of letters of support for the Doyles Creek licence sent to government is likely to be examined by the ICAC.

The apparent authors are Labor politicians including Climate Change Minister Greg Combet, along with a who's who of union officials and entities associated with the mining union.

When John Maitland retired in 2006 the union's then national president Tony Maher lauded "the Maitland effect" on the reputation of the union and the labor movement.

"Wherever he goes he is hailed as a long lost brother and treated as a king. And rightly so." he said at a farewell in 2006.

Now Mr Maitland's name cannot be found on the CFMEU website. According to sources in the union, the reaction he now prompts is shock and disappointment as the union nervously awaits the latest ICAC revelations.

A union spokesperson said officials are unable to comment based on legal advice.

Topics:courts-and-trials, corruption, unions, states-and-territories, sydney-2000, jerrys-plains-2330, nsw



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Reply #63 - Mar 16th, 2013 at 7:35am
 
Of course, let's all ignore the obvious here.....

The real issue is that far too much of the 'media' has been concentrated into the hands of FAR too few people.

You CANNOT have a diverse range of opinions (political, social, moral or otherwise) when two or three men
control everything that's written/broadcast.

If THEY are biased, it follows that the news they deliver will also be biased.

The more players in the news game, the better. Too few is a disaster, and is one that govt legislation helped
to create.
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Reply #64 - Mar 16th, 2013 at 7:48am
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 16th, 2013 at 6:57am:
Here's what I don't understand - why the rush to get this passed into law next week??? What is so urgent that it needs to be passed so soon?


in any normal situation and with any other govt or PM the following would be just nonsense. But with Gillard the perennial liar and abuser of process, it is plausible.

Who is to say that the govt doesnt want what is effectively a gag process in place just in time for the election campaign? Can you imagine how a gillard-appointed censor would treat the media duing a campaign? This disgrace of a PM who has already orchestrated a riot against abbott certainly has the form to try a fiji-styled attack on freedom of the press. You can see it now... an election campaign where media is not permitted to publish anti-labor articles.

Likely? not really. But unfortunately, you can no longer discount it as impossible. the depths this woman will go seems bottomless.
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Reply #65 - Mar 16th, 2013 at 8:34am
 
Here's the rub. If this legislation is passed. The Government will appoint a Committee to oversee the new media regulations.

And that Committee will report to the Government Committee.

And therein lies the conundrum.

Once you appoint people to Censor the media the rot starts right there.

Any form of censorship is bad,bad, bad, bad.

I understand and agree about the dangers of a concentration of ownership in the media.

But controlling what is  published is a no, no, a bloody big one.
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Reply #66 - Mar 16th, 2013 at 8:48am
 
red baron wrote on Mar 16th, 2013 at 8:34am:
Here's the rub. If this legislation is passed. The Government will appoint a Committee to oversee the new media regulations.

And that Committee will report to the Government Committee.

And therein lies the conundrum.

Once you appoint people to Censor the media the rot starts right there.

Any form of censorship is bad,bad, bad, bad.

I understand and agree about the dangers of a concentration of ownership in the media.

But controlling what is  published is a no, no, a bloody big one.


Who is saying that the oversight group has the ability to censor anythng?

THey seem to report on the media publications meeting the self regulation standard, it seems to be more making sure that the existing regulator is doing its job to its current required standard.
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Reply #67 - Mar 16th, 2013 at 10:21am
 
Excellent question. Let's hope we get some insightful answers.


Peter Freedman wrote on Mar 13th, 2013 at 6:43pm:
Red we may not know the fine print but we know the basic details.

How is this an attack on press freedom?


Shame the details never seem to be discussed. If there are flaws in Conroy's legislation, you wouldn't be any the wiser about them after reading this thread.

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Reply #68 - Mar 16th, 2013 at 10:45am
 
Dnarever and Peter, you are both experienced and should recognise this what it is, the thin end of the wedge.

Once you start something like this there is no going back. A huge problem with this is the grey areas and its more like a black cloud. All this sh.t being frantically rushed through in a week and short, short, short on detail

I don't trust politicians they are the slimiest dogs in the land, almost up there with lawyers.

Once they give themselves power to muzzle what they don't like there will be no end to it.

Surely, you can see the inherent dangers in this set up which is designed to muzzle criticism of Labor which is crippled.

My hope is that Malcolm Turnbull has promised to repeal the  law when the Liberals get in, and they will get in.

I believe Turnbull's word on this.
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Reply #69 - Mar 16th, 2013 at 10:53am
 
red baron wrote on Mar 16th, 2013 at 10:45am:
should recognise this what it is, the thin end of the wedge.Once you start something like this there is no going back


seem to remember this argument being used a lot in regard to police powers ... do yu support police having more powers Red?

Or are you going to actually tell us what the supposed legislation is and comment on that? Having gone through this thread I've found no actual reference to the legislation apart from the sort of bullshit you put up above.

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Reply #70 - Mar 16th, 2013 at 11:01am
 
John Smith wrote on Mar 16th, 2013 at 10:53am:
red baron wrote on Mar 16th, 2013 at 10:45am:
should recognise this what it is, the thin end of the wedge.Once you start something like this there is no going back


seem to remember this argument being used a lot in regard to police powers ... do yu support police having more powers Red?

Or are you going to actually tell us what the supposed legislation is and comment on that? Having gone through this thread I've found no actual reference to the legislation apart from the sort of bullshit you put up above.



I guess the media has left them unarmed for such a debate. Perhaps they need to inject a little more media diversity into their own lives.
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"What does this mean? It means that we need to do practical things that actually reduce emissions."
 
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Reply #71 - Mar 16th, 2013 at 11:23am
 
longweekend58 wrote on Mar 15th, 2013 at 4:39pm:
Peter Freedman wrote on Mar 14th, 2013 at 6:16pm:
Red, that's a statement not an explanation. Conroy's legislation only kicks in AFTER publication......how the bugger can that be censorship?


how the hell is that NOT censorship? you get punished after-the-fact once and after that... you toe the line as indicated by the govt censor. It is as effecitvely a censorship regime as if someone had to approve articles pre-publication.


In 1951, during the waterfront lockout in NZ a conservative government made it illegal to publish the wharfies' side of the story.

A policeman was stationed in the print room of major newspapers to check the edition before it could be sold.

Now that is censorship. This isn't.
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Reply #72 - Mar 16th, 2013 at 11:27am
 
red baron wrote on Mar 16th, 2013 at 10:45am:
Dnarever and Peter, you are both experienced and should recognise this what it is, the thin end of the wedge.

Once you start something like this there is no going back. A huge problem with this is the grey areas and its more like a black cloud. All this sh.t being frantically rushed through in a week and short, short, short on detail

I don't trust politicians they are the slimiest dogs in the land, almost up there with lawyers.

Once they give themselves power to muzzle what they don't like there will be no end to it.

Surely, you can see the inherent dangers in this set up which is designed to muzzle criticism of Labor which is crippled.

My hope is that Malcolm Turnbull has promised to repeal the  law when the Liberals get in, and they will get in.

I believe Turnbull's word on this.


Red, you say there is no going back, then in the next breath tell us the Liberals will repeal any legislation.

I, too, believe Turnbull. First because he seems an honourable man and, second, because his party knows they must retain the support of the newspapers in whose pocket they nestle.
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Reply #73 - Mar 16th, 2013 at 12:03pm
 
The Coalition are always very careful not to say or do anything that might upset the Murdoch press.
They know the consequences if they dont.
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Reply #74 - Mar 16th, 2013 at 12:07pm
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Mar 16th, 2013 at 12:03pm:
The Coalition are always very careful not to say or do anything that might upset the Murdoch press.
They know the consequences if they dont.


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