Australian Politics Forum - Are the greens no longer seen as an "alternative"?

Phallic Baldwin Senior Member Offline Phallic Baldwin Posts: 370 Gender:	Are the greens no longer seen as an "alternative"? Mar 14^th, 2013 at 9:17pm They haven't moved in the polls - they seem to only have their core supporters. Plus they LOST seats in WA. I don't think they will go the way of the Dems, but they have definitely peaked 2 years ago. Bob saying goodbye didnt help matters.
Back to top	IP Logged

mantra

Gold Member

Offline

ozpolitic.com

Posts: 10750
Gender: female

Re: Are the greens no longer seen as an "alternative"?
Reply #1 - Mar 14^th, 2013 at 9:28pm

I believe they will survive also, but not at their former glory. They've had a beating by the Coalition and the media.

They are still needed as an alternative party to keep Labor and the Coalition in check, although whether they'll be in a position to do so after the next election remains to be seen.

They need to get back to their roots as an environmental and conservation party. We need the Greens to do what they were created to do especially as both the major parties are doing their best to turn Australia into a dust bowl with excessive mining and exploration.

If the Coalition gets in, first off the Wild Rivers legislation will be revoked. If anyone has watched the series on SBS - the Dust Bowl on the destruction of Oklahoma in the 20's - Australia is headed in the same direction.

The big parties only care about their own needs.

Back to top

IP Logged

Dnarever

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 59253
Here
Gender: male

Re: Are the greens no longer seen as an "alternative"?
Reply #2 - Mar 14^th, 2013 at 9:32pm

The Greens were never seen as an alternative for government and they were always going to suffer for a few terms after a hung parliament and the loss of their long term leader.

Nothing unexpected they will maintain a lot of support and come back stronger off a good base in a few terms. It will be dissapointing for them but thet is how it goes.

Back to top

IP Logged

Maqqa Gold Member Offline 14% - that low?! Posts: 16000	Re: Are the greens no longer seen as an "alternative"? Reply #3 - Mar 14^th, 2013 at 9:38pm The Greens are not an alternative. They can't government on their own. The best they can do is muddy the water enough to get a hung Parliament and do their damage there.
Back to top	Bill 14% is not the alcohol content of that wine. It's your poll number IP Logged

cods

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 88048

Re: Are the greens no longer seen as an "alternative"?
Reply #4 - Mar 15^th, 2013 at 7:25am

Maqqa wrote on Mar 14^th, 2013 at 9:38pm:

The Greens are not an alternative.

They can't government on their own.

The best they can do is muddy the water enough to get a hung Parliament and do their damage there.

too right.... they got themselves into a position of POWER and they couldnt take it all the way..

it showed them up for what they are all mouth and no substance..

they like the Labs lost their way... they sold their souls for VOTES... people soon wake up to that.

most people have a core principle for why they vote a certain way...and when its thrown in their face like this last govt has done.. well its a big wake up call..

Back to top

IP Logged

Armchair_Politician Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 26290 Gender:	Re: Are the greens no longer seen as an "alternative"? Reply #5 - Mar 15^th, 2013 at 8:01am The lunatic Greens were never an alternative, just a protest vote against either of the two main parties...
Back to top	IP Logged

Sir Spot of Borg

Gold Member

Offline

WE ARE BORG

Posts: 26513
Australia

Re: Are the greens no longer seen as an "alternative"?
Reply #6 - Mar 15^th, 2013 at 8:25am

cods wrote on Mar 15^th, 2013 at 7:25am:

Maqqa wrote on Mar 14^th, 2013 at 9:38pm:

The Greens are not an alternative.

They can't government on their own.

The best they can do is muddy the water enough to get a hung Parliament and do their damage there.

too right.... they got themselves into a position of POWER and they couldnt take it all the way..

it showed them up for what they are all mouth and no substance..

they like the Labs lost their way... they sold their souls for VOTES... people soon wake up to that.

most people have a core principle for why they vote a certain way...and when its thrown in their face like this last govt has done.. well its a big wake up call..

Are you trying to infer that the libs arent exactly the same if not worse?

SOB

Back to top

Whaaaaaah!
I'm a
Moron!

- edited by some unethical admin - you think its funny? - its a slippery slope

IP Logged

BigOl64

Gold Member

Offline

Posts: 14438
Townsville QLD
Gender: male

Re: Are the greens no longer seen as an "alternative"?
Reply #7 - Mar 15^th, 2013 at 9:21am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 15^th, 2013 at 8:25am:

cods wrote on Mar 15^th, 2013 at 7:25am:

Maqqa wrote on Mar 14^th, 2013 at 9:38pm:

The Greens are not an alternative.

They can't government on their own.

The best they can do is muddy the water enough to get a hung Parliament and do their damage there.

too right.... they got themselves into a position of POWER and they couldnt take it all the way..

it showed them up for what they are all mouth and no substance..

they like the Labs lost their way... they sold their souls for VOTES... people soon wake up to that.

most people have a core principle for why they vote a certain way...and when its thrown in their face like this last govt has done.. well its a big wake up call..

Are you trying to infer that the libs arent exactly the same if not worse?

SOB

The speaker implies, the listener infers.

Back to top

IP Logged

john_g

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 1549
Gender: male

Re: Are the greens no longer seen as an "alternative"?
Reply #8 - Mar 15^th, 2013 at 10:54am

I am a swing voter who is very disillusioned with both major parties, especially Labor,but I think the Greens are even worse than both parties.

What I would love to see is a good honest centrist party there to keep the bastards honest.

What a shame that the Democrats lost their way, they were originally this, but then shifted to the left.

Back to top

IP Logged

Maqqa

Gold Member

Offline

14% - that low?!

Posts: 16000

Re: Are the greens no longer seen as an "alternative"?
Reply #9 - Mar 15^th, 2013 at 11:00am

john_g wrote on Mar 15^th, 2013 at 10:54am:

I am a swing voter who is very disillusioned with both major parties, especially Labor,but I think the Greens are even worse than both parties.

What I would love to see is a good honest centrist party there to keep the bastards honest.

What a shame that the Democrats lost their way, they were originally this, but then shifted to the left.

What voters fail to understand is the difference between a political party set up to run the country and a political party that's set up to lobby for policies that fell through the gap

right now there are only 2 parties that are set up to govern - Liberal & Labor

so for those who says they are seeking an alternative is kidding themselves - there are no alternatives

the Greens, Independents and other minor parties are simply lobby groups

the Greens being more extreme

Back to top

Bill 14% is not the alcohol content of that wine. It's your poll number

IP Logged

skippy.

Gold Member

Offline

Posts: 20882
Gender: male

Re: Are the greens no longer seen as an "alternative"?
Reply #10 - Mar 15^th, 2013 at 11:01am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 15^th, 2013 at 8:01am:

The lunatic Greens were never an alternative, just a protest vote against either of the two main parties...

As a GREENS supporter I would never want the party to represent the likes of you. We have our core support and as mantra has said we have never wanted to rule, much better to force the major paties to have a conscience.

Back to top

freedivers other forum- POLITICAL ANIMAL
Click onWWW below

IP Logged

Dsmithy70

Gold Member

Offline

ire futuis vobismetipsis

Posts: 13147
Newy
Gender: male

Re: Are the greens no longer seen as an "alternative"?
Reply #11 - Mar 15^th, 2013 at 11:02am

john_g wrote on Mar 15^th, 2013 at 10:54am:

I am a swing voter who is very disillusioned with both major parties, especially Labor,but I think the Greens are even worse than both parties.

What I would love to see is a good honest centrist party there to keep the bastards honest.

What a shame that the Democrats lost their way, they were originally this, but then shifted to the left.

Actually the Right, it was support for the GST that killed the Democrats.

Back to top

REBELLION is not what most people think it is.
REBELLION is when you turn off the TV & start educating & thinking for yourself.
Gavin Nascimento

IP Logged

Maqqa

Gold Member

Offline

14% - that low?!

Posts: 16000

Re: Are the greens no longer seen as an "alternative"?
Reply #12 - Mar 15^th, 2013 at 11:10am

Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 15^th, 2013 at 11:02am:

john_g wrote on Mar 15^th, 2013 at 10:54am:

I am a swing voter who is very disillusioned with both major parties, especially Labor,but I think the Greens are even worse than both parties.

What I would love to see is a good honest centrist party there to keep the bastards honest.

What a shame that the Democrats lost their way, they were originally this, but then shifted to the left.

Actually the Right, it was support for the GST that killed the Democrats.

damn Howard took the GST to an election when he changed his mind

Back to top

Bill 14% is not the alcohol content of that wine. It's your poll number

IP Logged

Dsmithy70

Gold Member

Offline

ire futuis vobismetipsis

Posts: 13147
Newy
Gender: male

Re: Are the greens no longer seen as an "alternative"?
Reply #13 - Mar 15^th, 2013 at 11:15am

Maqqa wrote on Mar 15^th, 2013 at 11:10am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 15^th, 2013 at 11:02am:

john_g wrote on Mar 15^th, 2013 at 10:54am:

I am a swing voter who is very disillusioned with both major parties, especially Labor,but I think the Greens are even worse than both parties.

What I would love to see is a good honest centrist party there to keep the bastards honest.

What a shame that the Democrats lost their way, they were originally this, but then shifted to the left.

Actually the Right, it was support for the GST that killed the Democrats.

damn Howard took the GST to an election when he changed his mind

Which he lost, but got over the line with preferences.

Back to top

REBELLION is not what most people think it is.
REBELLION is when you turn off the TV & start educating & thinking for yourself.
Gavin Nascimento

IP Logged

john_g

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 1549
Gender: male

Re: Are the greens no longer seen as an "alternative"?
Reply #14 - Mar 15^th, 2013 at 11:18am

Maqqa wrote on Mar 15^th, 2013 at 11:00am:

john_g wrote on Mar 15^th, 2013 at 10:54am:

I am a swing voter who is very disillusioned with both major parties, especially Labor,but I think the Greens are even worse than both parties.

What I would love to see is a good honest centrist party there to keep the bastards honest.

What a shame that the Democrats lost their way, they were originally this, but then shifted to the left.

What voters fail to understand is the difference between a political party set up to run the country and a political party that's set up to lobby for policies that fell through the gap

right now there are only 2 parties that are set up to govern - Liberal & Labor

so for those who says they are seeking an alternative is kidding themselves - there are no alternatives

the Greens, Independents and other minor parties are simply lobby groups

the Greens being more extreme

I meant a minor party who can have influence, as the Greens have had for the last few years.

Of course no other party about from Labor or the Coalition will ever form government.

Back to top

IP Logged