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Medieval plague pit found in central London
Mar 16th, 2013 at 1:29am
 
Workmen building a new 73 mile railway have come across a plague pit filled with the victims of the Black Death - which decimated the population of England in the mid-1300s -  in one of the busiest areas of London:

They have lain unseen for centuries – a carefully arranged group of skeletons deep beneath what became one of the busiest areas of London.

Millions of feet have tramped unwittingly above them through the years; thousands of tons of earth and rubble concealed their grave.

But yesterday it was hoped that the DNA within the nine sets of remains would unlock a mystery that has baffled and divided medical minds for generations: what caused the Black Death in 1348?

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Carefully laid out skeletons thought to be from a 14th century burial ground that have been discovered in London during work on the £14.8billion Crossrail project

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Don Walker, an osteologist from the Museum of London's Archaeology department, inspects a skeleton

They were discovered during excavation work for the £14.8billion Crossrail project, currently carving a subterranean path across London.

They were more than 8ft below a road between Farringdon and Barbican Tube stations, leading internet wags to suggest they probably died waiting for a Circle Line train.

In fact the bodies are believed to have been among the 1.5million Britons who died when the plague swept through Europe.

Emergency mass graves were dug, but the corpses were not simply thrown in. Men and women were placed side by side in uniform rows, often with hands folded across the torso.

A similar skeleton formation was found in the 1980s at nearby Smithfield, and as many as 50,000 might have been buried in the area over three years.

Crossrail lead archaeologist Jay Carver said: 'This is a highly significant discovery and at the moment we are left with many questions that we hope to answer.

'We will be undertaking scientific tests on the skeletons to establish their cause of death, whether they were plague victims from the 14th century or later residents, how old they were and perhaps evidence of who they were.
'However, at this early stage all points towards this being part of the 14th-century emergency burial ground.'

Around a third of the population of Britain died in the Black Death. Estimates of how many perished in Europe and elsewhere vary between 25million and 200million, making it the grimmest and most destructive pandemic in human history.

DNA analysis of European victims has suggested that the Yersinia pestis bacterium was responsible, but many scientists believe the infection was a rapidly-spreading virus.

Now DNA experts are working with archaeologists at the Farringdon site to try to identify the exact cause from bone samples.

Once analysis is complete, the skeletons will be reburied on the site or at a cemetery

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Sizing things up: The skeletons were carefully laid out in rows eight feet beneath the surface

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The skeletons were more than 8ft below a road between Farringdon and Barbican Tube stations

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DNA experts are working with archaeologists at the Farringdon site to try to identify the exact cause from bone samples

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Delicate operation: Archaeologist and site supervisor Sam Pfizenmaier from the Museum of London's Archaeology department working in a grout shaft

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Locator: The skeletons were discovered buried underneath a road in Charterhouse Square in London

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2293615/Medieval-graves-solve-mystery-Black-Death-Twelve-skeletons-discovered-London-street.html










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Reply #1 - Mar 16th, 2013 at 5:28am
 
There may be a lot more than 9 there but all that concrete would prevent them from being discovered.

I thought the plague was generally thought to be caused by fleas on rats.

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Reply #2 - Mar 16th, 2013 at 9:52am
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 16th, 2013 at 5:28am:
There may be a lot more than 9 there but all that concrete would prevent them from being discovered.

I thought the plague was generally thought to be caused by fleas on rats.

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you are thinking about the great fire of London in 1666.and the bubonic plague... which was spread by fleas and rats..these go back to the Black Death in the 1300.....I am sure they will find many many more... when you think of the history of London it must be one massive graveyard..

I remember seeing headstones over 1000 years old I think it was Woburn Abbey.. not sure..

a lot of old bones...so much for dust to dust.
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Reply #3 - Mar 16th, 2013 at 9:54am
 
Heh dinosaur bones are waaaaaaaaaaaay older than that Wink

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Reply #4 - Mar 16th, 2013 at 9:57am
 
Perhaps Senator Conroy can put up a rider to his Media Bill to ensure that there is a test for mental competence for posters to these boards...and, yes, I'll take the test too.
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Reply #5 - Mar 16th, 2013 at 10:07am
 
The Heartless Felon wrote on Mar 16th, 2013 at 9:57am:
Perhaps Senator Conroy can put up a rider to his Media Bill to ensure that there is a test for mental competence for posters to these boards...and, yes, I'll take the test too.



Yes this fits into the title of this thread perfectly....NOT........you'd fail the test Einstein
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Reply #6 - Mar 16th, 2013 at 10:10am
 
This site may shed more light onto the subject.

www.themiddleages.net/plague.html
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Reply #7 - Mar 16th, 2013 at 10:30am
 
simonhall1900 wrote on Mar 16th, 2013 at 10:10am:
This site may shed more light onto the subject.

www.themiddleages.net/plague.html


Interesting article

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In the early 1330s an outbreak of deadly bubonic plague occurred in China. The bubonic plague mainly affects rodents, but fleas can transmit the disease to people. Once people are infected, they infect others very rapidly. Plague causes fever and a painful swelling of the lymph glands called buboes, which is how it gets its name. The disease also causes spots on the skin that are red at first and then turn black. Since China was one of the busiest of the world's trading nations, it was only a matter of time before the outbreak of plague in China spread to western Asia and Europe.

By the following August, the plague had spread as far north as England, where people called it "The Black Death" because of the black spots it produced on the skin. A terrible killer was loose across Europe, and Medieval medicine had nothing to combat it.

In winter the disease seemed to disappear, but only because fleas--which were now helping to carry it from person to person--are dormant then. Each spring, the plague attacked again, killing new victims. After five years 25 million people were dead--one-third of Europe's people.

Even when the worst was over, smaller outbreaks continued, not just for years, but for centuries. The survivors lived in constant fear of the plague's return, and the disease did not disappear until the 1600s.

The disease took its toll on the church as well. People throughout Christendom had prayed devoutly for deliverance from the plague. Why hadn't those prayers been answered?


I read this and I feel very relieved that science has rid us of this sort of suffering
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Reply #8 - Mar 16th, 2013 at 10:58am
 
A man died in Auckland of the plague in the early 1900s.
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Reply #9 - Mar 16th, 2013 at 12:51pm
 
simonhall1900 wrote on Mar 16th, 2013 at 10:07am:
The Heartless Felon wrote on Mar 16th, 2013 at 9:57am:
Perhaps Senator Conroy can put up a rider to his Media Bill to ensure that there is a test for mental competence for posters to these boards...and, yes, I'll take the test too.



Yes this fits into the title of this thread perfectly....NOT........you'd fail the test Einstein


I'll make it easy for you: read the preceding two posts.
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Reply #10 - Mar 16th, 2013 at 2:31pm
 
The Heartless Felon wrote on Mar 16th, 2013 at 12:51pm:
simonhall1900 wrote on Mar 16th, 2013 at 10:07am:
The Heartless Felon wrote on Mar 16th, 2013 at 9:57am:
Perhaps Senator Conroy can put up a rider to his Media Bill to ensure that there is a test for mental competence for posters to these boards...and, yes, I'll take the test too.



Yes this fits into the title of this thread perfectly....NOT........you'd fail the test Einstein


I'll make it easy for you: read the preceding two posts.


Damn.....not easy enough.....your point being?
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Reply #11 - Mar 16th, 2013 at 2:40pm
 
There is a similar ossuary at Westminster Abbey dating back to the plague.
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Reply #12 - Mar 16th, 2013 at 3:21pm
 
simonhall1900 wrote on Mar 16th, 2013 at 2:31pm:
The Heartless Felon wrote on Mar 16th, 2013 at 12:51pm:
simonhall1900 wrote on Mar 16th, 2013 at 10:07am:
The Heartless Felon wrote on Mar 16th, 2013 at 9:57am:
Perhaps Senator Conroy can put up a rider to his Media Bill to ensure that there is a test for mental competence for posters to these boards...and, yes, I'll take the test too.



Yes this fits into the title of this thread perfectly....NOT........you'd fail the test Einstein


I'll make it easy for you: read the preceding two posts.


Damn.....not easy enough.....your point being?


That's the easiest I can make it: I dont speak imbecile...
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Reply #13 - Mar 16th, 2013 at 3:23pm
 
Strange, you sound like one.
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Reply #14 - Mar 16th, 2013 at 3:35pm
 
Dunno why these old bones are special.  There has never been a problem with getting access to skeletons of plague times.....there is an entire open common/golf course in the middle of Edinburgh where thousands may be found.
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