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Reply #15 - Mar 17^th, 2013 at 2:03pm

You are a child, Maqqa. External factors impact on your ability to deliver on your commitments. Gillard did not have a majority so she compromised to deliver on a carbon price. To do otherwise would have been a bigger betrayal.

Labor had a clear mandate to deliver a price on carbon. That is what they have done.

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Reply #16 - Mar 17^th, 2013 at 2:14pm

MOTR wrote on Mar 17^th, 2013 at 2:03pm:

You are a child, Maqqa. External factors impact on your ability to deliver on your commitments. Gillard did not have a majority so she compromised to deliver on a carbon price. To do otherwise would have been a bigger betrayal.

Labor had a clear mandate to deliver a price on carbon. That is what they have done.

and you are prepared to accept that excuse from Abbott?

and is everyone on the left prepared to accept that excuse?

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Bill 14% is not the alcohol content of that wine. It's your poll number

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Reply #17 - Mar 17^th, 2013 at 2:23pm

Maqqa wrote on Mar 17^th, 2013 at 2:14pm:

MOTR wrote on Mar 17^th, 2013 at 2:03pm:

You are a child, Maqqa. External factors impact on your ability to deliver on your commitments. Gillard did not have a majority so she compromised to deliver on a carbon price. To do otherwise would have been a bigger betrayal.

Labor had a clear mandate to deliver a price on carbon. That is what they have done.

and you are prepared to accept that excuse from Abbott?

and is everyone on the left prepared to accept that excuse?

Of course. If Abbott is forced into negotiating with the independents in order to form a minority government, he will have to make some concessions. He will then be judged on the outcomes of his government.

Gillard was forced into a temporary carbon tax, but will ultimately deliver on what her party was twice given a clear mandate to do.

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Hunt says Coalition accepts IPCC findings

"What does this mean? It means that we need to do practical things that actually reduce emissions."

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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: When Will The Election Debates Start. Reply #18 - Mar 17^th, 2013 at 2:31pm MOTR wrote on Mar 17^th, 2013 at 2:03pm: Labor had a clear mandate to deliver a price on carbon. That is what they have done. If that were the case, would you care to explain why the Australian people's support has left in droves since?
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Reply #19 - Mar 17^th, 2013 at 2:42pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 17^th, 2013 at 2:31pm:

MOTR wrote on Mar 17^th, 2013 at 2:03pm:

Labor had a clear mandate to deliver a price on carbon. That is what they have done.

If that were the case, would you care to explain why the Australian people's support has left in droves since?

We'll see, Andrei. My bet is that this is going to tighten up.

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Hunt says Coalition accepts IPCC findings

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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: When Will The Election Debates Start. Reply #20 - Mar 17^th, 2013 at 2:50pm But you would admit the Labor party support fell off a cliff since the announcement of a carbon tax and 3 years later has still not recovered. If you believe they had a mandate I am just wondering how you'd explain why they've been so unpopular for so long?
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Reply #21 - Mar 17^th, 2013 at 2:58pm

MOTR wrote on Mar 17^th, 2013 at 11:07am:

Maqqa wrote on Mar 17^th, 2013 at 11:03am:

Jokes aside - Gillard will play the helpless woman being assaulted by Abbott role to a tea

and her fat arse will appeal to Biggest Loser watchers

Abbott has nothing to gain from this

I agree with you, Maqqa. Tony has nothing to gain from exposing his policies to scrutiny. Plenty to lose, nothing to gain.

Policies:
Stop Carbon Tax that will reopen business doors because it is business that earns the dollars for the treasury (not Gillard mouthing promises).

Stop NBN (billions saved)

Down-size the public service

Police Welfare cheats

That will be the start to repay Swans & Gillard's borowed billions.

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Peter Freedman Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5275 Wellington Gender:	Re: When Will The Election Debates Start. Reply #22 - Mar 17^th, 2013 at 3:05pm A debate between Gillard and Abbott. Geez, I can't wait! !
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Reply #23 - Mar 17^th, 2013 at 3:51pm

MOTR wrote on Mar 17^th, 2013 at 2:03pm:

You are a child, Maqqa. External factors impact on your ability to deliver on your commitments. Gillard did not have a majority so she compromised to deliver on a carbon price. To do otherwise would have been a bigger betrayal.

Labor had a clear mandate to deliver a price on carbon. That is what they have done.

despite promising explicity and unequivocably to NOT bring in carbon tax. there is no way of getting around the fact that she broke her promise. and the polls agree.

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Reply #24 - Mar 17^th, 2013 at 4:02pm

MOTR wrote on Mar 17^th, 2013 at 2:23pm:

Maqqa wrote on Mar 17^th, 2013 at 2:14pm:

MOTR wrote on Mar 17^th, 2013 at 2:03pm:

You are a child, Maqqa. External factors impact on your ability to deliver on your commitments. Gillard did not have a majority so she compromised to deliver on a carbon price. To do otherwise would have been a bigger betrayal.

Labor had a clear mandate to deliver a price on carbon. That is what they have done.

and you are prepared to accept that excuse from Abbott?

and is everyone on the left prepared to accept that excuse?

Of course. If Abbott is forced into negotiating with the independents in order to form a minority government, he will have to make some concessions. He will then be judged on the outcomes of his government.

Gillard was forced into a temporary carbon tax, but will ultimately deliver on what her party was twice given a clear mandate to do.

That's not the question

are you prepared to accept that excuse from Abbott?

and is everyone on the left prepared to accept that excuse?

yes or no

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MOTR Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6646	Re: When Will The Election Debates Start. Reply #25 - Mar 17^th, 2013 at 4:13pm Are you slow, Maqqa. If he has to negotiate with independents to form a minority government, some concessions on policy will have to be made. I wouldn't be so childish as to call him a liar.
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Reply #26 - Mar 17^th, 2013 at 4:29pm

MOTR wrote on Mar 17^th, 2013 at 4:13pm:

Are you slow, Maqqa. If he has to negotiate with independents to form a minority government, some concessions on policy will have to be made. I wouldn't be so childish as to call him a liar.

you dont seriously beleive there is ANY chance of a minority govt, do you? the only question is if it will be a record majority or not.

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Reply #27 - Mar 17^th, 2013 at 4:37pm

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 17^th, 2013 at 4:29pm:

MOTR wrote on Mar 17^th, 2013 at 4:13pm:

Are you slow, Maqqa. If he has to negotiate with independents to form a minority government, some concessions on policy will have to be made. I wouldn't be so childish as to call him a liar.

you dont seriously beleive there is ANY chance of a minority govt, do you? the only question is if it will be a record majority or not.

You have missed the point, melielongtime. No surprise.

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Reply #28 - Mar 17^th, 2013 at 4:41pm

Aussie wrote on Mar 17^th, 2013 at 4:37pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 17^th, 2013 at 4:29pm:

MOTR wrote on Mar 17^th, 2013 at 4:13pm:

Are you slow, Maqqa. If he has to negotiate with independents to form a minority government, some concessions on policy will have to be made. I wouldn't be so childish as to call him a liar.

you dont seriously beleive there is ANY chance of a minority govt, do you? the only question is if it will be a record majority or not.

You have missed the point, melielongtime. No surprise.

Wink

not a lot of point in debating a virtual impossibility.

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Reply #29 - Mar 17^th, 2013 at 4:43pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 17^th, 2013 at 2:50pm:

But you would admit the Labor party support fell off a cliff since the announcement of a carbon tax and 3 years later has still not recovered.

If you believe they had a mandate I am just wondering how you'd explain why they've been so unpopular for so long?

Still intrigued to learn why you think their support dropped like lead after the carbon tax announcement (and never recovered) if you think the people gave them a mandate?

This isn't just a couple of Liberal cheerleaders, their support has dropped to abysmal levels.

Why do you think that is then?

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