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Re: Elite Schools Spend $20 Million A Year On Upgrades
Reply #105 - Mar 19^th, 2013 at 4:48pm

KJT1981 wrote on Mar 19^th, 2013 at 8:08am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 19^th, 2013 at 4:26am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 18^th, 2013 at 3:30pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 18^th, 2013 at 2:37pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 18^th, 2013 at 2:35pm:

bugger it that's how it is.

Smithy I was paying friggen $4,500 per month mortgage in AUS.
You don't think the help came in handy?!

Your choice

Buy a fvckin smaller house.

Simple

It was 4 bedroom, 2 bathroom.
We're not talking about fking Gatcombe Park Estate here.

That's the cost of houses these days.

Normal is 3 BR 2 bathroom. Not 4. 4 are actually rare and way more expensive. But you already knew that.

SOB

Jesus Miss Borg. Where have you been for the last twenty years?

given his memory I would say he has no idea where he has been either. Almost every house built now is 4BR

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Re: Elite Schools Spend $20 Million A Year On Upgrades
Reply #106 - Mar 19^th, 2013 at 4:49pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 19^th, 2013 at 9:45am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 18^th, 2013 at 6:32pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 18^th, 2013 at 2:19pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 18^th, 2013 at 2:15pm:

If you pay x amount in tax - are you not entitled to expect something back?

No you are not.

Simple end of story

Taxation is not some sort of forced saving nor is it a service industry.

actually, you are. taxation is not ever intended to be a method of wealth redistribution. It is meant to be how you fund the essential services of govt of which one of the PRIME areas is education. it is govts intrinsic responsibility to fund education. it is not however essential that they provide the service. If this were so then welfare should be provided not in cash but in food stamps to govt run and owned food stores. but it isnt is it? it is provided in cash wher you shoose where to spend it. education money is exactly the same.

LOL, I was going to go down the,"Tax you pay buys the society you want" angle, but I was talking to Andrei and anything not framed in the context of self is either not understood or ignored Wink

he is without doubt the most self-absorbed poster Ive ever read. That doesnt make him necessarily wrong but you always have to realise that the common good never factors into any of his reasoning - ever.

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Re: Elite Schools Spend $20 Million A Year On Upgrades
Reply #108 - Mar 19^th, 2013 at 4:52pm

Lobo wrote on Mar 19^th, 2013 at 1:33pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Mar 18^th, 2013 at 2:09pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 18^th, 2013 at 2:07pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Mar 18^th, 2013 at 2:00pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 18^th, 2013 at 12:48pm:

You have already said you went to a state school full of wogs but anyway thats not the point.

The system should be very simple -

1) Every child should have the benefit of taxpayer's money to go towards their education.
2) Every school and I mean EVERY school should receive the same funding per pupil.
3) Then if schools wish to charge on top of that for additional quality of either school or quality of teaching etc, trips - then they can do that.

That way, the private school kids receive the better education and advantage - but they have to pay for it.

What on earth is the point of having only some schools receive funding from the Government and others receive nothing?

Completely defeats the object of paying to get a better education.

Make it a level playing field for Government funding.

Every school receives the same as each other.
Public or private.

Please refrain from the childish name calling Johnny, you do it a lot lately and just reflect poorly on you.

What a stupid post. Private schools are exactly that - private. If you want to be a fool and then pay for a private school then go ahead and do that. But don't expect the public purse to cover you.

Market capitalism is fundamental.
You pay for something, you get a service in return.

Now you would have an absurd system where I pay a lot in tax but then see neither of my children receive any of that money to their education??

The funding goes to give someone else's kid a free one at my expense?

Thats the absurd system you prefer.

NO.

Funding to all.
Then you pay for a private education above the base level standard.

Answer this - why would you pay to give your child an education if they are not going to receive better quality and more than public kids?

Thats the system that we live in - just like your tax goes towards welfare and yet you should no tbe entitled to welfare. Same thing. It works. It strengthens the economy to do it. And paying tax doesn't mean you get something in return.

PRivate Schools should receive $0. By definition they should not be entitled to any government funding.

How about distributing 50% of the total education budget between ALL schools on a per student basis?
Then the remaining 50% divvied up between the public schools on a 'needs' basis.

Just a thought....

how about a truly equitable model where the entire budget is divided by teh number of students and allocated thusly?

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Re: Elite Schools Spend $20 Million A Year On Upgrades
Reply #109 - Mar 19^th, 2013 at 7:29pm

I'm old enough to remember when Private and Catholic schools received no govt funding.

I was fortunate enough that my parents could afford to send me to both C of E and Catholic Private schools. (Family thing.)

Even so, I firmly believe that the greater percentage of govt funding should go into the public school system.

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Re: Elite Schools Spend $20 Million A Year On Upgrades
Reply #110 - Mar 19^th, 2013 at 7:37pm

Lobo wrote on Mar 19^th, 2013 at 7:29pm:

I'm old enough to remember when Private and Catholic schools received no govt funding.

I was fortunate enough that my parents could afford to send me to both C of E and Catholic Private schools. (Family thing.)

Even so, I firmly believe that the greater percentage of govt funding should go into the public school system.

it still does. public students get around 50% more per head from govt than private students.

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Re: Elite Schools Spend $20 Million A Year On Upgrades
Reply #111 - Mar 19^th, 2013 at 7:43pm

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 19^th, 2013 at 7:37pm:

Lobo wrote on Mar 19^th, 2013 at 7:29pm:

I'm old enough to remember when Private and Catholic schools received no govt funding.

I was fortunate enough that my parents could afford to send me to both C of E and Catholic Private schools. (Family thing.)

Even so, I firmly believe that the greater percentage of govt funding should go into the public school system.

it still does. public students get around 50% more per head from govt than private students.

Personally I'd prefer it to be 75%+......

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Re: Elite Schools Spend $20 Million A Year On Upgrades
Reply #112 - Mar 19^th, 2013 at 8:35pm

Lobo wrote on Mar 19^th, 2013 at 7:43pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 19^th, 2013 at 7:37pm:

Lobo wrote on Mar 19^th, 2013 at 7:29pm:

I'm old enough to remember when Private and Catholic schools received no govt funding.

I was fortunate enough that my parents could afford to send me to both C of E and Catholic Private schools. (Family thing.)

Even so, I firmly believe that the greater percentage of govt funding should go into the public school system.

it still does. public students get around 50% more per head from govt than private students.

Personally I'd prefer it to be 75%+......

why? Governments already provides for education ... if you feel it isn't good enough and want to go private, you should pay, not the taxpayer

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Re: Elite Schools Spend $20 Million A Year On Upgrades
Reply #113 - Mar 20^th, 2013 at 8:25am

John Smith wrote on Mar 19^th, 2013 at 8:35pm:

Lobo wrote on Mar 19^th, 2013 at 7:43pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 19^th, 2013 at 7:37pm:

Lobo wrote on Mar 19^th, 2013 at 7:29pm:

I'm old enough to remember when Private and Catholic schools received no govt funding.

I was fortunate enough that my parents could afford to send me to both C of E and Catholic Private schools. (Family thing.)

Even so, I firmly believe that the greater percentage of govt funding should go into the public school system.

it still does. public students get around 50% more per head from govt than private students.

Personally I'd prefer it to be 75%+......

why? Governments already provides for education ... if you feel it isn't good enough and want to go private, you should pay, not the taxpayer

its not that simple. Education is one of the PILLARS of govt service (ie health, defence, education). govt cannot simply ignore it.

but anyhow the argument haas already been made that it is far cheaper for the govt to pay 30% LESS per student using the private model than a fully public one. ideology aside, it makes zero sense to pay $9Bpa more for no advantage. even a dumb lefty can understand that.

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Re: Elite Schools Spend $20 Million A Year On Upgrades
Reply #114 - Mar 20^th, 2013 at 9:18am

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 20^th, 2013 at 8:25am:

but anyhow the argument haas already been made that it is far cheaper for the govt to pay 30% LESS per student using the private model than a fully public one. ideology aside, it makes zero sense to pay $9Bpa more for no advantage. even a dumb lefty can understand that.

The problem is that 'Lefties' cannot (or refuse to) understand this concept as demonstrated by the comments in this thread.

Why can't you Lefties understand that the education dollars the Govt saves (around $8 billion dollars a year from the budget) directly because of non-Govt schools participation in the education sector and the (after tax) dollars from non-govt school parents goes towards other Government services such as the dole, pensions and back to PUBLIC education.

Health dollars is a similar concept. The more people that take out private health cover the more the Govt save in health expenditures. That is why there is a private health insurance rebate and a medicare levy surcharge to prod people into private health insurance.

The cost to the budget of funding private schools and providing incentive to take up private health is miniscule compared to the Govt having to fund these sectors 100%. Exclaim

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Re: Elite Schools Spend $20 Million A Year On Upgrades
Reply #115 - Mar 20^th, 2013 at 9:18am

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 20^th, 2013 at 8:25am:

its not that simple. Education is one of the PILLARS of govt service (ie health, defence, education). govt cannot simply ignore it.

they aren't ignoring it ... they provide education ... of a fairly good standard .. you want to go elsewhere you pay.

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Reply #116 - Mar 20^th, 2013 at 9:19am

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 20^th, 2013 at 8:25am:

it is far cheaper for the govt to pay 30% LESS per student using the private model than a fully public one. ideology aside, it makes zero sense to pay $9Bpa

the argument that i smade by the independant schools themselves? it's not like they wouldskew the figures in their favour now would they.

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Reply #118 - Mar 20^th, 2013 at 10:20am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 20^th, 2013 at 9:31am:

Why do some of you ppl call the government "socialist" and yet want them to fund private businesses?

SOB

It's the party in Govt that is being branded 'socialist'.

GOVT is NOT funding private business. Funding is a handout.

Think of Private schools as a sub-contractor. They are being paid for delivering a service that the Govt is obliged to provide. Instead of costing them $1 per head it costs Govt 30c per head. The 70c they save can be spent elsewhere on other essential Govt services.

Think of it another way, say the Govt nationalised schools. They would have to find that extra 70c per head and also find additional money to accommodate the extra 30% of student numbers.

Unless they went into massive unsustainable debt other Govt services would be cut. Dole would be less, pensions would be less etc etc etc

Savvy? Huh

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Re: Elite Schools Spend $20 Million A Year On Upgrades
Reply #119 - Mar 20^th, 2013 at 3:04pm

John Smith wrote on Mar 20^th, 2013 at 9:19am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 20^th, 2013 at 8:25am:

it is far cheaper for the govt to pay 30% LESS per student using the private model than a fully public one. ideology aside, it makes zero sense to pay $9Bpa

the argument that i smade by the independant schools themselves? it's not like they wouldskew the figures in their favour now would they.

oh the irony from the forums least numerate poster

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