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Re: Elite Schools Spend $20 Million A Year On Upgrades
Reply #180 - Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 9:45am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 9:41am:

No.
I don't see why every child in Australia should not receive funding for education.
Then if we want to pay more on top to gain an advantage then so be it.

There has to be a tiered system. That's just how market capitalism works.

What is happening is the opposite of capitalism..taking our money and handing it it those that dont need it is Socialism.

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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: Elite Schools Spend $20 Million A Year On Upgrades Reply #181 - Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 10:12am Taking money by force is theft. Taking more money off some people than others (Progressive taxation) is forcing those people to work for nothing. That is slavery.
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Re: Elite Schools Spend $20 Million A Year On Upgrades
Reply #182 - Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 10:15am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 9:41am:

No.
I don't see why every child in Australia should not receive funding for education.
Then if we want to pay more on top to gain an advantage then so be it.

There has to be a tiered system. That's just how market capitalism works.

Where exactly is it written that the govt. must provide equal funding for every child ... the govt. must provide education, if you chose to ignore it in leiu of an alternative you pay. It is a fallacy that the govt. may pay the same amount per child regardless of where they go.

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Re: Elite Schools Spend $20 Million A Year On Upgrades
Reply #183 - Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 10:17am

John Smith wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 10:15am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 9:41am:

No.
I don't see why every child in Australia should not receive funding for education.
Then if we want to pay more on top to gain an advantage then so be it.

There has to be a tiered system. That's just how market capitalism works.

Where exactly is it written that the govt. must provide equal funding for every child ... the govt. must provide education, if you chose to ignore it in leiu of an alternative you pay. It is a fallacy that the govt. may pay the same amount per child regardless of where they go.

Then why do you think the Government provides funding to private school kids if not for exactly the reason I state??

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Re: Elite Schools Spend $20 Million A Year On Upgrades
Reply #184 - Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 10:25am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 10:17am:

John Smith wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 10:15am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 9:41am:

No.
I don't see why every child in Australia should not receive funding for education.
Then if we want to pay more on top to gain an advantage then so be it.

There has to be a tiered system. That's just how market capitalism works.

Where exactly is it written that the govt. must provide equal funding for every child ... the govt. must provide education, if you chose to ignore it in leiu of an alternative you pay. It is a fallacy that the govt. may pay the same amount per child regardless of where they go.

Then why do you think the Government provides funding to private school kids if not for exactly the reason I state??

Its about buying votes..nothing more and nothing less

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Re: Elite Schools Spend $20 Million A Year On Upgrades
Reply #185 - Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 10:29am

adelcrow wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 10:25am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 10:17am:

John Smith wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 10:15am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 9:41am:

No.
I don't see why every child in Australia should not receive funding for education.
Then if we want to pay more on top to gain an advantage then so be it.

There has to be a tiered system. That's just how market capitalism works.

Where exactly is it written that the govt. must provide equal funding for every child ... the govt. must provide education, if you chose to ignore it in leiu of an alternative you pay. It is a fallacy that the govt. may pay the same amount per child regardless of where they go.

Then why do you think the Government provides funding to private school kids if not for exactly the reason I state??

Its about buying votes..nothing more and nothing less

Total bull shyte Wink

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Re: Elite Schools Spend $20 Million A Year On Upgrades
Reply #186 - Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 10:32am

adelcrow wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 10:25am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 10:17am:

John Smith wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 10:15am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 9:41am:

No.
I don't see why every child in Australia should not receive funding for education.
Then if we want to pay more on top to gain an advantage then so be it.

There has to be a tiered system. That's just how market capitalism works.

Where exactly is it written that the govt. must provide equal funding for every child ... the govt. must provide education, if you chose to ignore it in leiu of an alternative you pay. It is a fallacy that the govt. may pay the same amount per child regardless of where they go.

Then why do you think the Government provides funding to private school kids if not for exactly the reason I state??

Its about buying votes..nothing more and nothing less

And handing out $1,000 to its core support blue collars wasn't?

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Re: Elite Schools Spend $20 Million A Year On Upgrades
Reply #187 - Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 6:25pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 10:17am:

John Smith wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 10:15am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 9:41am:

No.
I don't see why every child in Australia should not receive funding for education.
Then if we want to pay more on top to gain an advantage then so be it.

There has to be a tiered system. That's just how market capitalism works.

Where exactly is it written that the govt. must provide equal funding for every child ... the govt. must provide education, if you chose to ignore it in leiu of an alternative you pay. It is a fallacy that the govt. may pay the same amount per child regardless of where they go.

Then why do you think the Government provides funding to private school kids if not for exactly the reason I state??

like you were told ... it's about buying votes.

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longweekend58 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 45675 Gender:	Re: Elite Schools Spend $20 Million A Year On Upgrades Reply #188 - Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 7:18pm so still the lunatic lefties refuse to accept that the core reason is MONEY. the policy saves $9B a year EVERY YEAR. frankly, the govt would be pleased if more people went to private schools so they could spend less.
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 75246 Gender:	Re: Elite Schools Spend $20 Million A Year On Upgrades Reply #189 - Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 9:11pm longweekend58 wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 7:18pm: so still the lunatic lefties refuse to accept that the core reason is MONEY. the policy saves $9B a year EVERY YEAR. frankly, the govt would be pleased if more people went to private schools so they could spend less. wrong .... it's about votes
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Re: Elite Schools Spend $20 Million A Year On Upgrades
Reply #190 - Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 10:33pm

John Smith wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 9:11pm:

wrong .... it's about votes

It is about votes but not in the way you imply. As has been explained quite rationally the Govt actually saves lots of taxpayer funds by providing funding to private schools.

The money saved is used elsewhere.

There would be a substantial opportunity cost should lots of privately educated kids move into public education. That in itself would cost any Govt stupid enough to cut funding.

Not only would the so called well off that send their kids to private schools be pissed off your true believers would have their noses out of joint from cut backs else where.

Therefore it's about losing votes not bribing.

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Re: Elite Schools Spend $20 Million A Year On Upgrades
Reply #191 - Mar 24^th, 2013 at 5:37am

Swagman wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 8:53am:

John Smith wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 8:37am:

Swagman wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 7:33am:

John Smith wrote on Mar 20^th, 2013 at 9:56pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 20^th, 2013 at 3:27pm:

Not at all.
Funding should be the same flat level to all kids - public and private.

No child should not receive public funding for their education.

Then private schools should charge on top of that and state schools just keep to the funding level.

That way parents who choose to fund their child through fees get more - because as you all know and agree - you should always get something for your money.

What on earth would be the point in paying for an education when the state is funding other kids for free if its no better??

the public school funding is there ... for all the kids ... you chose to forgo it for private that is your choice and you should pay.

Even if everyone paid the same amount of tax you still wouldn't have a valid point.

Of course it's valid, simply arguing that ones point isn't valid without an explanation why it is not is in itself not a valid argument ...

if I provide for your kids and you decide to take your kids elsewehre why should I provide more?

Yee-gods but that's the point Exclaim

You are not providing more funding you (as a tax-payer) are providing less. 70% less. Roll Eyes

Govt is chartered to provide education for every Australian child. Every Australian kid is entitled to the same education dollar from the Govt regardless of who their parents are or how the education is delivered.

And they all get it unless they choose to go private.

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Re: Elite Schools Spend $20 Million A Year On Upgrades
Reply #192 - Mar 24^th, 2013 at 5:40am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 4:15pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 4:11pm:

it is not about cost ... the govt. has a duty to provide education .. it does ... if you chose not to use it and go elsewhere it should be you that pays.

And we do.
We pay more on top to ensure we have an advantage.

The Government also has a duty to ensure that taxes I pay go towards EVERY Australian child as well.

You dont have an "advantage" though. You just like to pretend you do. If you were in australia your kids would have to follow the national curriculum (exactly the same as the public schools). Not that i care if you pay private businesses to educate your children just dont expect our taxes to pay for it.

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Reply #193 - Mar 24^th, 2013 at 5:42am

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 7:41pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 4:04pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 10:49am:

John Smith wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 8:38am:

Swagman wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 8:35am:

John Smith wrote on Mar 20^th, 2013 at 9:58pm:

Swagman wrote on Mar 20^th, 2013 at 10:20am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 20^th, 2013 at 9:31am:

Why do some of you ppl call the government "socialist" and yet want them to fund private businesses?

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It's the party in Govt that is being branded 'socialist'.

GOVT is NOT funding private business. Funding is a handout.

Think of Private schools as a sub-contractor. They are being paid for delivering a service that the Govt is obliged to provide. Instead of costing them $1 per head it costs Govt 30c per head. The 70c they save can be spent elsewhere on other essential Govt services.

Think of it another way, say the Govt nationalised schools. They would have to find that extra 70c per head and also find additional money to accommodate the extra 30% of student numbers.

Unless they went into massive unsustainable debt other Govt services would be cut. Dole would be less, pensions would be less etc etc etc

Savvy? Huh

Sub contractors are private businesses .... and that analogy doesn't apply anyway ... govt subsidise schools, not pay them .

the rest of your claims are unsubstantiated claims put out by the private schools themselves .. I'm sure it helps them when arguing for extra funding.

Most sub-contractors are private businesses but do you know what a "not for profit organisation" is John Smith?

Do you know why they get income tax exempt status and why their employees get additional income tax breaks?

They lever off the private sector and provide essential Govt services more efficiently and at massive savings to the budget. Shocked

NFPs undertake services that the Govt of the day is obliged to provide. They get funding from various sources but mainly from Govt. It goes down in the books as 'grant' funding from Govt but in actuality the Govt is sub-contracting its own work load to save taxpayer money.

Private schools are NFPs. They provide essential Govt services and whether you call their funding a subsidy, grant, contract receipts, wealthfare it matters not. The result is the SAME.

Aged care, respite care, palliative care, disability welfare, community childcare, employment & training, neighbourhood centres etc are the same. They all get Govt funding to provide Govt services in the same way as private schools.

Private schools are not businesses. As not for profits no one is making an earn from them. They do not have share holders where surpluses are distributed to.

I don't particularly care about their profits or lack thereof, it is still a private business. If it cannot sustain itself, it should not exist.

it exists simply to prove a government service cheaper and better. only you could have a problem with that. no one makes a profit, no one gets a perk but you dont like it because...

who knows?

no one gets a perk? Catholic Church has the greatest percentage of private schools... with over $700 B in assets globally. How much of the $700 B is made up of land that was given to them to build their schools on? Of course their are perks .. it justifies it's existence.

a) they werent given land. they bought it just like most people do.
b) the $700B figure is complete crap and a figment of some blogger. The clue is the suspiciously 'round' nature of the number. It wasn't $328.5B it was some completely fabricated, madeup figure. just liek te one in your signature block

Are you trying to deny that the catholic church is given land by catholics? But you were acknowledging it back in the thread about ppl leaving everything to the churches.

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Re: Elite Schools Spend $20 Million A Year On Upgrades
Reply #194 - Mar 24^th, 2013 at 5:45am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 9:32am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 4:53am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 4:15pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 4:11pm:

it is not about cost ... the govt. has a duty to provide education .. it does ... if you chose not to use it and go elsewhere it should be you that pays.

And we do.
We pay more on top to ensure we have an advantage.

The Government also has a duty to ensure that taxes I pay go towards EVERY Australian child as well.

An advantage. So you dont really want anything to be "fair" @ all after all do you. What you want is to pretend you are superior and for the government to pay for it.

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The fair part is for every child to receive the same funding from the Government.
The advantage part comes from private schools charging on top of that.

It's not about feeling superior, it's about getting a better education than state school kids because we pay for it.

Every child already receives the same funding from government - you just choose not to accept it because you think you will get an "advantage". That means you think you are superior.

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