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Re: Elite Schools Spend $20 Million A Year On Upgrades
Reply #195 - Mar 24^th, 2013 at 5:46am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 9:41am:

No.
I don't see why every child in Australia should not receive funding for education.
Then if we want to pay more on top to gain an advantage then so be it.

There has to be a tiered system. That's just how market capitalism works.

Every child has always received funding - and ppl like you who think they are better than the rest of us can reject it and go to a private business to educate their kids.

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Re: Elite Schools Spend $20 Million A Year On Upgrades
Reply #196 - Mar 24^th, 2013 at 5:48am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 10:17am:

John Smith wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 10:15am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 9:41am:

No.
I don't see why every child in Australia should not receive funding for education.
Then if we want to pay more on top to gain an advantage then so be it.

There has to be a tiered system. That's just how market capitalism works.

Where exactly is it written that the govt. must provide equal funding for every child ... the govt. must provide education, if you chose to ignore it in leiu of an alternative you pay. It is a fallacy that the govt. may pay the same amount per child regardless of where they go.

Then why do you think the Government provides funding to private school kids if not for exactly the reason I state??

Yeah. they shouldn't be. Both parties are so far right wing they are fascist. They should not be providing funding to private businesses. ESPECIALLY churches!

But yeah its about votes.

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Re: Elite Schools Spend $20 Million A Year On Upgrades
Reply #197 - Mar 24^th, 2013 at 6:30am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 5:42am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 7:41pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 4:04pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 10:49am:

John Smith wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 8:38am:

Swagman wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 8:35am:

John Smith wrote on Mar 20^th, 2013 at 9:58pm:

Swagman wrote on Mar 20^th, 2013 at 10:20am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 20^th, 2013 at 9:31am:

Why do some of you ppl call the government "socialist" and yet want them to fund private businesses?

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It's the party in Govt that is being branded 'socialist'.

GOVT is NOT funding private business. Funding is a handout.

Think of Private schools as a sub-contractor. They are being paid for delivering a service that the Govt is obliged to provide. Instead of costing them $1 per head it costs Govt 30c per head. The 70c they save can be spent elsewhere on other essential Govt services.

Think of it another way, say the Govt nationalised schools. They would have to find that extra 70c per head and also find additional money to accommodate the extra 30% of student numbers.

Unless they went into massive unsustainable debt other Govt services would be cut. Dole would be less, pensions would be less etc etc etc

Savvy? Huh

Sub contractors are private businesses .... and that analogy doesn't apply anyway ... govt subsidise schools, not pay them .

the rest of your claims are unsubstantiated claims put out by the private schools themselves .. I'm sure it helps them when arguing for extra funding.

Most sub-contractors are private businesses but do you know what a "not for profit organisation" is John Smith?

Do you know why they get income tax exempt status and why their employees get additional income tax breaks?

They lever off the private sector and provide essential Govt services more efficiently and at massive savings to the budget. Shocked

NFPs undertake services that the Govt of the day is obliged to provide. They get funding from various sources but mainly from Govt. It goes down in the books as 'grant' funding from Govt but in actuality the Govt is sub-contracting its own work load to save taxpayer money.

Private schools are NFPs. They provide essential Govt services and whether you call their funding a subsidy, grant, contract receipts, wealthfare it matters not. The result is the SAME.

Aged care, respite care, palliative care, disability welfare, community childcare, employment & training, neighbourhood centres etc are the same. They all get Govt funding to provide Govt services in the same way as private schools.

Private schools are not businesses. As not for profits no one is making an earn from them. They do not have share holders where surpluses are distributed to.

I don't particularly care about their profits or lack thereof, it is still a private business. If it cannot sustain itself, it should not exist.

it exists simply to prove a government service cheaper and better. only you could have a problem with that. no one makes a profit, no one gets a perk but you dont like it because...

who knows?

no one gets a perk? Catholic Church has the greatest percentage of private schools... with over $700 B in assets globally. How much of the $700 B is made up of land that was given to them to build their schools on? Of course their are perks .. it justifies it's existence.

a) they werent given land. they bought it just like most people do.
b) the $700B figure is complete crap and a figment of some blogger. The clue is the suspiciously 'round' nature of the number. It wasn't $328.5B it was some completely fabricated, madeup figure. just liek te one in your signature block

Are you trying to deny that the catholic church is given land by catholics? But you were acknowledging it back in the thread about ppl leaving everything to the churches.

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land given to the church by private individuals is none of your business and more than if you decided to give land to some group you were a member of. the previous comments were about GOVT giving the church land.

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Re: Elite Schools Spend $20 Million A Year On Upgrades
Reply #198 - Mar 24^th, 2013 at 6:32am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 5:45am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 9:32am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 4:53am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 4:15pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 4:11pm:

it is not about cost ... the govt. has a duty to provide education .. it does ... if you chose not to use it and go elsewhere it should be you that pays.

And we do.
We pay more on top to ensure we have an advantage.

The Government also has a duty to ensure that taxes I pay go towards EVERY Australian child as well.

An advantage. So you dont really want anything to be "fair" @ all after all do you. What you want is to pretend you are superior and for the government to pay for it.

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The fair part is for every child to receive the same funding from the Government.
The advantage part comes from private schools charging on top of that.

It's not about feeling superior, it's about getting a better education than state school kids because we pay for it.

Every child already receives the same funding from government - you just choose not to accept it because you think you will get an "advantage". That means you think you are superior.

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you just dont get it do you. the govt saves massive amounts of money from doing this. do you even understands this? ths savings pay for 1/3 of the pension. would you be happy to have your pension got b 33% to pay for removing the private subsidy???

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Re: Elite Schools Spend $20 Million A Year On Upgrades
Reply #199 - Mar 24^th, 2013 at 7:34am

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 6:30am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 5:42am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 7:41pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 4:04pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 10:49am:

John Smith wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 8:38am:

Swagman wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 8:35am:

John Smith wrote on Mar 20^th, 2013 at 9:58pm:

Swagman wrote on Mar 20^th, 2013 at 10:20am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 20^th, 2013 at 9:31am:

Why do some of you ppl call the government "socialist" and yet want them to fund private businesses?

SOB

It's the party in Govt that is being branded 'socialist'.

GOVT is NOT funding private business. Funding is a handout.

Think of Private schools as a sub-contractor. They are being paid for delivering a service that the Govt is obliged to provide. Instead of costing them $1 per head it costs Govt 30c per head. The 70c they save can be spent elsewhere on other essential Govt services.

Think of it another way, say the Govt nationalised schools. They would have to find that extra 70c per head and also find additional money to accommodate the extra 30% of student numbers.

Unless they went into massive unsustainable debt other Govt services would be cut. Dole would be less, pensions would be less etc etc etc

Savvy? Huh