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Reply #60 - Mar 18th, 2013 at 2:21pm
 
Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 18th, 2013 at 2:19pm:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 18th, 2013 at 2:15pm:
If you pay x amount in tax - are you not entitled to expect something back?



No you are not.

Simple end of story

Taxation is not some sort of forced saving nor is it a service industry.


Sorry my friend, the political system (Coalition and Labor are much the same) don't see it the same way.

They'll target the middle of Australia with kickbacks all the way to Sept now with tax money.

That's how we roll these days.
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Reply #61 - Mar 18th, 2013 at 2:22pm
 
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Mar 18th, 2013 at 2:18pm:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 18th, 2013 at 2:15pm:
Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 18th, 2013 at 2:14pm:
Good old Andrei

If his not getting a benefit, his whining about paying tax.

Buggered if I know where he thinks Government get money from. Cheesy



If you pay x amount in tax - are you not entitled to expect something back?

Goes to the fundamentals of the system and may explain the stance of both parties to middle Australia.


You do  - in the form of economic growth that helps you keep your job.  Move on.


But as I said, that's your wishful thinking.
In reality we are offered a tonne of kickbacks across the board - are we not?
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Reply #62 - Mar 18th, 2013 at 2:22pm
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 18th, 2013 at 2:19pm:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 18th, 2013 at 2:07pm:
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Mar 18th, 2013 at 2:00pm:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 18th, 2013 at 12:48pm:
You have already said you went to a state school full of wogs but anyway thats not the point.

The system should be very simple -

1) Every child should have the benefit of taxpayer's money to go towards their education.
2) Every school and I mean EVERY school should receive the same funding per pupil.
3) Then if schools wish to charge on top of that for additional quality of either school or quality of teaching etc, trips - then they can do that.


That way, the private school kids receive the better education and advantage - but they have to pay for it.

What on earth is the point of having only some schools receive funding from the Government and others receive nothing?

Completely defeats the object of paying to get a better education.

Make it a level playing field for Government funding.

Every school receives the same as each other.
Public or private.

Please refrain from the childish name calling Johnny, you do it a lot lately and just reflect poorly on you.


What a stupid post.  Private schools are exactly that - private.  If you want to be a fool and then pay for a private school then go ahead and do that.  But don't expect the public purse to cover you. 


Market capitalism is fundamental.
You pay for something, you get a service in return.

Now you would have an absurd system where I pay a lot in tax but then see neither of my children receive any of that money to their education??

The funding goes to give someone else's kid a free one at my expense?

Thats the absurd system you prefer.

NO.

Funding to all.
Then you pay for a private education above the base level standard.

Answer this - why would you pay to give your child an education if they are not going to receive better quality and more than public kids?


If you want to educate your children on public money then send them to public school. Simple.

SOB


Nope I can send to a private school in Australia which will get public money and the money I put in as fees.

That's how it works.
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Reply #63 - Mar 18th, 2013 at 2:23pm
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 18th, 2013 at 2:22pm:
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Mar 18th, 2013 at 2:18pm:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 18th, 2013 at 2:15pm:
Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 18th, 2013 at 2:14pm:
Good old Andrei

If his not getting a benefit, his whining about paying tax.

Buggered if I know where he thinks Government get money from. Cheesy



If you pay x amount in tax - are you not entitled to expect something back?

Goes to the fundamentals of the system and may explain the stance of both parties to middle Australia.


You do  - in the form of economic growth that helps you keep your job.  Move on.


But as I said, that's your wishful thinking.
In reality we are offered a tonne of kickbacks across the board - are we not?

Already explained why. It's actually quite amazing that here we have me, someone youw ould called a "socialist leftie hack" arguing against welfare for all, and you , a extreme rightwing nutjob crying you want more money. Grin  You becoming a commie, Andrei?
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Reply #64 - Mar 18th, 2013 at 2:24pm
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 18th, 2013 at 2:11pm:
so why would you have someone's taxes going to pay for somebody else's kid to be educated but see none of that money going to your own children?

And that's not how it works by the way - for very good reason.


You reckon you earn so much then why shouldnt you pay your own way?

SOB
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Reply #65 - Mar 18th, 2013 at 2:25pm
 
I have always been of the view that if I am to pay tax, I should get something back.

We justified getting the baby bonus by the fact we had paid for it many times over.

If the tax rates are so high, then there needs to be something back for it in my view.

You want no benefits - then cut the tax rate to what I have here.
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Reply #66 - Mar 18th, 2013 at 2:26pm
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 18th, 2013 at 2:25pm:
I have always been of the view that if I am to pay tax, I should get something back.

We justified getting the baby bonus by the fact we had paid for it many times over.

If the tax rates are so high, then there needs to be something back for it in my view.

You want no benefits - then cut the tax rate to what I have here.


and that is such a loonie nonsense view Grin  Your sense of entitlement is so rank it's just hilarious.
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Re: Elite Schools Spend $20 Million A Year On Upgrades
Reply #67 - Mar 18th, 2013 at 2:26pm
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 18th, 2013 at 2:24pm:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 18th, 2013 at 2:11pm:
so why would you have someone's taxes going to pay for somebody else's kid to be educated but see none of that money going to your own children?

And that's not how it works by the way - for very good reason.


You reckon you earn so much then why shouldnt you pay your own way?

SOB


This isnt about me personally, its about what is right and fair.
People should not have to see their taxes go to other people's kids and yet none to their own.

I hold the view on education and healthcare the same.

Base level funding for all.
Private funding on top of the base to get the additional service.
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Reply #68 - Mar 18th, 2013 at 2:27pm
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 18th, 2013 at 2:26pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 18th, 2013 at 2:24pm:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 18th, 2013 at 2:11pm:
so why would you have someone's taxes going to pay for somebody else's kid to be educated but see none of that money going to your own children?

And that's not how it works by the way - for very good reason.


You reckon you earn so much then why shouldnt you pay your own way?

SOB


This isnt about me personally, its about what is right and fair.
People should not have to see their taxes go to other people's kids and yet none to their own.

I hold the view on education and healthcare the same.

Base level funding for all.
Private funding on top of the base to get the additional service.


Grin socialist.
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Reply #69 - Mar 18th, 2013 at 2:32pm
 
http://www.smh.com.au/comment/who-are-the-real-bludgers-20130312-2fyf3.html

Who are the real bludgers?


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It seems the better off feel entitled to better treatment by government. Their status as wealth generators is a passport to ''diplomatic immunity'' from accusations of sponging off the state - however disproportionate to need their benefits and tax concessions may be. Similarly, while age pensioners get the biggest slice of $132 billion in welfare spending (36 per cent of the budget), they are seen to have earned the right to be dependent on government - even those living in $1 million-plus homes. Pensioners and their assets are untouchable, too.


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However, much better-off ''working families'' who have come to rely on government to boost their finances seemingly have little to fear from the bipartisan savings drive.

Families with children are the second-biggest recipients of welfare spending - about $34 billion a year. Most goes on family tax benefits A and B, but there are also childcare benefits and rebates, paid parental leave, schoolchildren's and baby bonuses and carer allowances. The full list of family benefits is very long.

Many who receive family welfare are, on any reasonable definition, not needy. Couples with two children in the middle 50 per cent range of incomes ($80,000 to $135,000) may qualify for most or all of the above benefits. One partner can earn up to $150,000 and the second up to $25,623 and they can still get something from Family Tax Benefit B, which costs about $4.5 billion a year.


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Given how much welfare money goes to middle and high-income families, you'd think the budget costs of ''middle-class welfare'' would be a natural target for savings, especially when
Abbott has declared: ''The fiscal position will always be better under the Coalition because budget surpluses and reducing debt, paying back debt, that's in our DNA.''

Yet family payments seem to be off-limits. The Coalition even proposes to add Abbott's $3 billion-a-year paid parental leave plan so benefits for high-income earners are proportionate to their earnings.



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When last year's budget trimmed the baby bonus for households with incomes of up to $75,000 in the six months after birth, this was said to be a ''vicious and savage'' attack on families


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What about private health cover, which gets government support worth $5 billion a year? Policy holders received a 30 per cent rebate on premiums regardless of incomes until the government legislated last year to reduce rebates for single people earning more than $83,000 (the top 20 per cent) and families more than $166,000. Rebates cut out at $129,000 and $258,000. The saving is $2.4 billion over three years.

Abbott vows to restore the full rebate for all as soon as possible, for the usual genetic reasons. ''Private health insurance is in our DNA. It is our raison d'etre, that is why we exist as a political movement, to give more support and encourage people who want to get ahead.''


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Far too many Australians on good incomes have come to rely in many ways on an overstretched welfare budget, one that began as a safety net for the truly needy. This culture of entitlement represents a greater and more insidious moral failing than applies to the vulnerable few whose dependency we scorn.

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Reply #70 - Mar 18th, 2013 at 2:35pm
 
bugger it that's how it is.

Smithy I was paying friggen $4,500 per month mortgage in AUS.
You don't think the help came in handy?!
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Reply #71 - Mar 18th, 2013 at 2:37pm
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 18th, 2013 at 2:35pm:
bugger it that's how it is.

Smithy I was paying friggen $4,500 per month mortgage in AUS.
You don't think the help came in handy?!



Your choice

Buy a fvckin smaller house.

Simple
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Reply #72 - Mar 18th, 2013 at 2:44pm
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 18th, 2013 at 2:35pm:
bugger it that's how it is.

Smithy I was paying friggen $4,500 per month mortgage in AUS.
You don't think the help came in handy?!


You're mixing up two separate issues.  It seems everyone wants to have an investment property that yields them a high return and that has value growth each year, a high income, and minimal expenses.  That's not how it works unfortunatley and if you put yourself into a situation that you can't manage because of an over zealous desire to have too much,  don't expect others to cover you.

On a side note I will agree $4500 per month for an AVERAGE home in Australia is RIDICULOUS! Again, Thanks Howard. What a champ that man was!
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Reply #73 - Mar 18th, 2013 at 2:50pm
 
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Sydney's elite private schools are spending up to $20 million a year on capital works, data on the My School website shows.     Huh

Pymble Ladies' College plans to demolish its 50-metre outdoor pool and replace it with a $20 million aquatic and fitness centre as part of the school's $39 million master plan. They will also redevelop sporting fields and build a 230-space underground car park, a dining hall, a function centre to seat 600 and a health care centre.

A new feature on the My School website lists schools' total capital expenditure from 2009 to 2011.
Pymble Ladies' College development proposal. image shows - Proposed Aquatic and fitness centree. image supplied



Knox Grammar School topped the list of school spending in Sydney, with more than $56 million over the three years. Sydney Church of England Grammar School (Shore) is next, with almost $45 million, followed by Newington College and Cranbrook School with almost $43 million and $42 million respectively.
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Pymble Ladies' College, which has more than 2100 girls from kindergarten to year 12, spent almost $29 million between 2009 and 2011, which is about $13,500 a student.

The federal government would not provide Fairfax Media with the average capital expenditure of government schools. But, by comparison, between 2009 and 2011 the capital expenditure at the nearest public high schools was $1130 a student at Turramurra High School and $3854 a student at Killara High School.

A spokesman from the NSW Department of Education and Communities said $765 million would be spent this financial year on capital works and maintenance in the 2218 public schools in NSW, which is about $350,000 a school.

''It is important to note that, while all NSW public schools receive annual planned maintenance funding, not all schools receive funding for capital works every financial year,'' he said.     Sad

At independent schools, on average, about 80 per cent of funds for capital developments, such as school buildings, are contributed by parents and the school community.

At Turramurra High, 76 per cent of capital expenditure came from governments, whereas at Pymble Ladies' College just 13 per cent was from government contributions.

Pymble Ladies' College principal Vicki Waters said the existing pool required ''extensive maintenance due to its age''. The upgrade would be funded through the school's contribution and fund-raising initiatives and would not affect fees. Local schools would be allowed to use the pool for swimming carnivals, as would learn-to-swim lessons. ''But it won't be a public leisure centre.''

The school, which charges year 12 students fees of $26,550 a year, received more than $4 million federal government funding in 2011 and almost $3 million from the state.

Greens NSW MP John Kaye said government funding to schools like Pymble Ladies' College was ''wasteful and divisive''. ''It is a stark illustration of the damage done by the $426 million provided by the O'Farrell and Gillard governments to the state's 110 wealthiest private schools in operational subsidies. ''Not only could this money provide for two additional teachers at every public school … but it is also driving a massive, wasteful and divisive capital expansion program at the state's elite private schools.''     Sad

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/elite-schools-spend-20-million-a-year-on-upgrades-20130316-2g7ez.html#ixzz2NlFdOEF8


Look on the positive side, they are spending money from the filthy rich and providing employment for tradesmen, hopefully locals.
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Reply #74 - Mar 18th, 2013 at 3:12pm
 
Swagman wrote on Mar 18th, 2013 at 1:27pm:
I have to chuckle when Lefties take ownership of taxpayer funds as though they were there's when they are clearly from the majority that pay the minority of taxes (the slavemasters).

"Hey you capitalist pigs, you earn more than me and you pay the lion's share of taxes but how dare you use a public road or a public service" Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin



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