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Re: Elite Schools Spend $20 Million A Year On Upgrades
Reply #75 - Mar 18^th, 2013 at 3:21pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Mar 18^th, 2013 at 2:00pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 18^th, 2013 at 12:48pm:

You have already said you went to a state school full of wogs but anyway thats not the point.

The system should be very simple -

1) Every child should have the benefit of taxpayer's money to go towards their education.
2) Every school and I mean EVERY school should receive the same funding per pupil.
3) Then if schools wish to charge on top of that for additional quality of either school or quality of teaching etc, trips - then they can do that.

That way, the private school kids receive the better education and advantage - but they have to pay for it.

What on earth is the point of having only some schools receive funding from the Government and others receive nothing?

Completely defeats the object of paying to get a better education.

Make it a level playing field for Government funding.

Every school receives the same as each other.
Public or private.

Please refrain from the childish name calling Johnny, you do it a lot lately and just reflect poorly on you.

What a stupid post. Private schools are exactly that - private. If you want to be a fool and then pay for a private school then go ahead and do that. But don't expect the public purse to cover you.

breath takingly stupid post,
all the real poorer people who struggle to put their kids through private schools will tell you (and i think research bore this out) IT IS THE ABSOLUTE BEST VALUE FOR MONEY INVESTMENT A FAMILY CAN MAKE..
i forget the exact figures but i think private educations return on capital in terms of lifting a families wealth was something like 5 X greater than super or the stock market.

we need to stand firmly behind private schools as a shining example of communities members grouping together to achieve something.

public schools are mediocre at best and people who send their children there are totally misguided . it is tantamount to child neglect to subject your child to a public school if you can afford better. i look forward to the day we privatise every school. school vouchers and let the money follow the child to whoever offers the best . surely this is better than gonski throwing more money at rubbish public schools.

40 % increase in school funding (after inflation that is)in the last decade to see us drop down the oecd every year.

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parents who dont send their kids to private schools wont be able to look them in the eye. public schools are dead technology

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Re: Elite Schools Spend $20 Million A Year On Upgrades
Reply #76 - Mar 18^th, 2013 at 3:30pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 18^th, 2013 at 2:37pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 18^th, 2013 at 2:35pm:

bugger it that's how it is.

Smithy I was paying friggen $4,500 per month mortgage in AUS.
You don't think the help came in handy?!

Your choice

Buy a fvckin smaller house.

Simple

It was 4 bedroom, 2 bathroom.
We're not talking about fking Gatcombe Park Estate here.

That's the cost of houses these days.

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Reply #77 - Mar 18^th, 2013 at 3:43pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 18^th, 2013 at 3:30pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 18^th, 2013 at 2:37pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 18^th, 2013 at 2:35pm:

bugger it that's how it is.

Smithy I was paying friggen $4,500 per month mortgage in AUS.
You don't think the help came in handy?!

Your choice

Buy a fvckin smaller house.

Simple

It was 4 bedroom, 2 bathroom.
We're not talking about fking Gatcombe Park Estate here.

That's the cost of houses these days.

Like I said, Life is full of choices

You chose to buy a large home in a exclusive suburb.

Why should I help you with your other expenses.

I chose a large home in a not so exclusive suburb & use my mortgage savings on overseas holidays.

Like you the tax offsets/rebates I get allow this lifestyle, however unlike you I'm under no illusion that I am ENTITLED to them.

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REBELLION is when you turn off the TV & start educating & thinking for yourself.
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Re: Elite Schools Spend $20 Million A Year On Upgrades
Reply #78 - Mar 18^th, 2013 at 6:24pm

John Smith wrote on Mar 18^th, 2013 at 12:24pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 18^th, 2013 at 12:14pm:

actually SAVES the govt tens of billions of dollars a year.

firstly, the figure given was $8.3 B not 10's off .... nice try

secondly, that figure is given by the Independent Schools Council of Australia, do you think they might try talking themselves up so as to ask for more funding? get real longlooser ... the truth is that the only ones making that claim is the private schools themselves ... everyone else knows it's a load of sh it... look at Sweden, considered the best education system in the world with the best results .. why ? no private schools.

wrong on so many levels
1) you claim Frasers debt was $40B based on a blog instead of Treasurys figures but somehow the independent schools figures are wrong (despite nobody but the education union disagreeing with it)
2) it is FINLAND not Sweden and the reason there are next to no private schools is because all the public schools are run using the private school model

So congratulations. you gave two reasons that comprehensively torpedo your own argument.

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Re: Elite Schools Spend $20 Million A Year On Upgrades
Reply #79 - Mar 18^th, 2013 at 6:26pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 18^th, 2013 at 1:52pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 18^th, 2013 at 12:32pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 18^th, 2013 at 12:24pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 18^th, 2013 at 12:14pm:

actually SAVES the govt tens of billions of dollars a year.

firstly, the figure given was $8.3 B not 10's off .... nice try

secondly, that figure is given by the Independent Schools Council of Australia, do you think they might try talking themselves up so as to ask for more funding? get real longlooser ... the truth is that the only ones making that claim is the private schools themselves ... everyone else knows it's a load of sh it... look at Sweden, considered the best education system in the world with the best results .. why ? no private schools.

Yeah I am sure thats the reason.

Strangely, I have always found people who dislike the private school system are those who never went to one.

Those of us who did have always been a fan of them.

I went to a private primary school so there goes that theory

SOB

the difference is that the rest of us went to highscool as well,

so easy...

AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

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Re: Elite Schools Spend $20 Million A Year On Upgrades
Reply #80 - Mar 18^th, 2013 at 6:28pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Mar 18^th, 2013 at 2:09pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 18^th, 2013 at 2:07pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Mar 18^th, 2013 at 2:00pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 18^th, 2013 at 12:48pm:

You have already said you went to a state school full of wogs but anyway thats not the point.

The system should be very simple -

1) Every child should have the benefit of taxpayer's money to go towards their education.
2) Every school and I mean EVERY school should receive the same funding per pupil.
3) Then if schools wish to charge on top of that for additional quality of either school or quality of teaching etc, trips - then they can do that.

That way, the private school kids receive the better education and advantage - but they have to pay for it.

What on earth is the point of having only some schools receive funding from the Government and others receive nothing?

Completely defeats the object of paying to get a better education.

Make it a level playing field for Government funding.

Every school receives the same as each other.
Public or private.

Please refrain from the childish name calling Johnny, you do it a lot lately and just reflect poorly on you.

What a stupid post. Private schools are exactly that - private. If you want to be a fool and then pay for a private school then go ahead and do that. But don't expect the public purse to cover you.

Market capitalism is fundamental.
You pay for something, you get a service in return.

Now you would have an absurd system where I pay a lot in tax but then see neither of my children receive any of that money to their education??

The funding goes to give someone else's kid a free one at my expense?

Thats the absurd system you prefer.

NO.

Funding to all.
Then you pay for a private education above the base level standard.

Answer this - why would you pay to give your child an education if they are not going to receive better quality and more than public kids?

Thats the system that we live in - just like your tax goes towards welfare and yet you should no tbe entitled to welfare. Same thing. It works. It strengthens the economy to do it. And paying tax doesn't mean you get something in return.

PRivate Schools should receive $0. By definition they should not be entitled to any government funding.

so are you happy to pay $9B a year in extra tax because private schools dont get govt funding? does that sounds like a good plan and a good investment? on what planet does paying MORE to get a lower outcome make sense. the answer is: planet lefty.

AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

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Re: Elite Schools Spend $20 Million A Year On Upgrades
Reply #81 - Mar 18^th, 2013 at 6:32pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 18^th, 2013 at 2:19pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 18^th, 2013 at 2:15pm:

If you pay x amount in tax - are you not entitled to expect something back?

No you are not.

Simple end of story

Taxation is not some sort of forced saving nor is it a service industry.

actually, you are. taxation is not ever intended to be a method of wealth redistribution. It is meant to be how you fund the essential services of govt of which one of the PRIME areas is education. it is govts intrinsic responsibility to fund education. it is not however essential that they provide the service. If this were so then welfare should be provided not in cash but in food stamps to govt run and owned food stores. but it isnt is it? it is provided in cash wher you shoose where to spend it. education money is exactly the same.

AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

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Re: Elite Schools Spend $20 Million A Year On Upgrades
Reply #82 - Mar 18^th, 2013 at 6:34pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 18^th, 2013 at 2:24pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 18^th, 2013 at 2:11pm:

so why would you have someone's taxes going to pay for somebody else's kid to be educated but see none of that money going to your own children?

And that's not how it works by the way - for very good reason.

You reckon you earn so much then why shouldnt you pay your own way?

SOB

how about he then pays NO TAX and then pays for the services he uses? sound fair?

AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

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Re: Elite Schools Spend $20 Million A Year On Upgrades
Reply #83 - Mar 18^th, 2013 at 6:39pm

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 18^th, 2013 at 6:26pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 18^th, 2013 at 1:52pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 18^th, 2013 at 12:32pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 18^th, 2013 at 12:24pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 18^th, 2013 at 12:14pm:

actually SAVES the govt tens of billions of dollars a year.

firstly, the figure given was $8.3 B not 10's off .... nice try

secondly, that figure is given by the Independent Schools Council of Australia, do you think they might try talking themselves up so as to ask for more funding? get real longlooser ... the truth is that the only ones making that claim is the private schools themselves ... everyone else knows it's a load of sh it... look at Sweden, considered the best education system in the world with the best results .. why ? no private schools.

Yeah I am sure thats the reason.

Strangely, I have always found people who dislike the private school system are those who never went to one.

Those of us who did have always been a fan of them.

I went to a private primary school so there goes that theory

SOB

the difference is that the rest of us went to highscool as well,

so easy...

The public high school was better quality than the local private one. The private one was rife with religion. Actually so was the public one but not quite as bad. . . . .

SOB

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Re: Elite Schools Spend $20 Million A Year On Upgrades
Reply #84 - Mar 18^th, 2013 at 6:48pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 18^th, 2013 at 6:39pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 18^th, 2013 at 6:26pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 18^th, 2013 at 1:52pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 18^th, 2013 at 12:32pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 18^th, 2013 at 12:24pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 18^th, 2013 at 12:14pm:

actually SAVES the govt tens of billions of dollars a year.

firstly, the figure given was $8.3 B not 10's off .... nice try

secondly, that figure is given by the Independent Schools Council of Australia, do you think they might try talking themselves up so as to ask for more funding? get real longlooser ... the truth is that the only ones making that claim is the private schools themselves ... everyone else knows it's a load of sh it... look at Sweden, considered the best education system in the world with the best results .. why ? no private schools.

Yeah I am sure thats the reason.

Strangely, I have always found people who dislike the private school system are those who never went to one.

Those of us who did have always been a fan of them.

I went to a private primary school so there goes that theory

SOB

the difference is that the rest of us went to highscool as well,

so easy...

The public high school was better quality than the local private one. The private one was rife with religion. Actually so was the public one but not quite as bad. . . . .

SOB

public school "rife " with religion?? you sure??

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Reply #85 - Mar 18^th, 2013 at 7:10pm

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 18^th, 2013 at 6:24pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 18^th, 2013 at 12:24pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 18^th, 2013 at 12:14pm:

actually SAVES the govt tens of billions of dollars a year.

firstly, the figure given was $8.3 B not 10's off .... nice try

secondly, that figure is given by the Independent Schools Council of Australia, do you think they might try talking themselves up so as to ask for more funding? get real longlooser ... the truth is that the only ones making that claim is the private schools themselves ... everyone else knows it's a load of sh it... look at Sweden, considered the best education system in the world with the best results .. why ? no private schools.

wrong on so many levels
1) you claim Frasers debt was $40B based on a blog instead of Treasurys figures but somehow the independent schools figures are wrong (despite nobody but the education union disagreeing with it)
2) it is FINLAND not Sweden and the reason there are next to no private schools is because all the public schools are run using the private school model

So congratulations. you gave two reasons that comprehensively torpedo your own argument.

Do you ever know what you're talking about? Your comment shows complete lack of understanding of the Nordic education system.

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Reply #86 - Mar 18^th, 2013 at 7:12pm

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 18^th, 2013 at 6:28pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Mar 18^th, 2013 at 2:09pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 18^th, 2013 at 2:07pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Mar 18^th, 2013 at 2:00pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 18^th, 2013 at 12:48pm:

You have already said you went to a state school full of wogs but anyway thats not the point.

The system should be very simple -

1) Every child should have the benefit of taxpayer's money to go towards their education.
2) Every school and I mean EVERY school should receive the same funding per pupil.
3) Then if schools wish to charge on top of that for additional quality of either school or quality of teaching etc, trips - then they can do that.

That way, the private school kids receive the better education and advantage - but they have to pay for it.

What on earth is the point of having only some schools receive funding from the Government and others receive nothing?

Completely defeats the object of paying to get a better education.

Make it a level playing field for Government funding.

Every school receives the same as each other.
Public or private.

Please refrain from the childish name calling Johnny, you do it a lot lately and just reflect poorly on you.

What a stupid post. Private schools are exactly that - private. If you want to be a fool and then pay for a private school then go ahead and do that. But don't expect the public purse to cover you.

Market capitalism is fundamental.
You pay for something, you get a service in return.

Now you would have an absurd system where I pay a lot in tax but then see neither of my children receive any of that money to their education??

The funding goes to give someone else's kid a free one at my expense?

Thats the absurd system you prefer.

NO.

Funding to all.
Then you pay for a private education above the base level standard.

Answer this - why would you pay to give your child an education if they are not going to receive better quality and more than public kids?

Thats the system that we live in - just like your tax goes towards welfare and yet you should no tbe entitled to welfare. Same thing. It works. It strengthens the economy to do it. And paying tax doesn't mean you get something in return.

PRivate Schools should receive $0. By definition they should not be entitled to any government funding.

so are you happy to pay $9B a year in extra tax because private schools dont get govt funding? does that sounds like a good plan and a good investment? on what planet does paying MORE to get a lower outcome make sense. the answer is: planet lefty.

That figure came out of the toilet did it?

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Reply #87 - Mar 18^th, 2013 at 11:19pm

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 18^th, 2013 at 6:24pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 18^th, 2013 at 12:24pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 18^th, 2013 at 12:14pm:

actually SAVES the govt tens of billions of dollars a year.

firstly, the figure given was $8.3 B not 10's off .... nice try

secondly, that figure is given by the Independent Schools Council of Australia, do you think they might try talking themselves up so as to ask for more funding? get real longlooser ... the truth is that the only ones making that claim is the private schools themselves ... everyone else knows it's a load of sh it... look at Sweden, considered the best education system in the world with the best results .. why ? no private schools.

wrong on so many levels
1) you claim Frasers debt was $40B based on a blog instead of Treasurys figures but somehow the independent schools figures are wrong (despite nobody but the education union disagreeing with it)
2) it is FINLAND not Sweden and the reason there are next to no private schools is because all the public schools are run using the private school model

So congratulations. you gave two reasons that comprehensively torpedo your own argument.

What 2 reasons dopey? All you did was have a rant, you haven't blown anything out of your teacup let alone the water ...

the figures are provided by independent schools board ... Independent schools board has it's own agenda and unless the figures are supported elsewhere, you cannot seriously give them a lot of credence.... why not supply treasury figures dopey? since they mean so much to you

Sweden or Finland, does it matter? ... they have no private schools and have the best education system ... the point still stands. what part is difficult for you?

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Reply #88 - Mar 18^th, 2013 at 11:23pm

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 18^th, 2013 at 6:32pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 18^th, 2013 at 2:19pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 18^th, 2013 at 2:15pm:

If you pay x amount in tax - are you not entitled to expect something back?

No you are not.

Simple end of story

Taxation is not some sort of forced saving nor is it a service industry.

actually, you are. taxation is not ever intended to be a method of wealth redistribution. It is meant to be how you fund the essential services of govt of which one of the PRIME areas is education. it is govts intrinsic responsibility to fund education. it is not however essential that they provide the service. If this were so then welfare should be provided not in cash but in food stamps to govt run and owned food stores. but it isnt is it? it is provided in cash wher you shoose where to spend it. education money is exactly the same.

that does not however mean the government has to fund elitist schools for posh rich kids ... the govt. provides for your kids education in the form of a public education system, if you chose to go elsewhere the choice is yours. there is no responsibility, intrinsic or otherwise, for them to fund that.

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Re: Elite Schools Spend $20 Million A Year On Upgrades
Reply #89 - Mar 19^th, 2013 at 4:19am

aquascoot wrote on Mar 18^th, 2013 at 6:48pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 18^th, 2013 at 6:39pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 18^th, 2013 at 6:26pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 18^th, 2013 at 1:52pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 18^th, 2013 at 12:32pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 18^th, 2013 at 12:24pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 18^th, 2013 at 12:14pm:

actually SAVES the govt tens of billions of dollars a year.

firstly, the figure given was $8.3 B not 10's off .... nice try

secondly, that figure is given by the Independent Schools Council of Australia, do you think they might try talking themselves up so as to ask for more funding? get real longlooser ... the truth is that the only ones making that claim is the private schools themselves ... everyone else knows it's a load of sh it... look at Sweden, considered the best education system in the world with the best results .. why ? no private schools.

Yeah I am sure thats the reason.

Strangely, I have always found people who dislike the private school system are those who never went to one.

Those of us who did have always been a fan of them.

I went to a private primary school so there goes that theory

SOB

the difference is that the rest of us went to highscool as well,

so easy...

The public high school was better quality than the local private one. The private one was rife with religion. Actually so was the public one but not quite as bad. . . . .

SOB

public school "rife " with religion?? you sure??

Yes im sure. "Scripture" was mandatory.

SOB

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