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Re: Gillard's anti-father laws
Reply #90 - Mar 21st, 2013 at 10:22am
 
Infarction wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 10:20am:
Sure I did. Stop being so precious.

What I do know, is that you have nothing because you were gullible enough to blindly believe what some lunatic on a lunatic web site wrote.

I also know the FLA, at least, a whole lot more than you clearly do.


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Reply #91 - Mar 21st, 2013 at 10:24am
 
Maqqa wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 10:22am:
Just say "Maqqa, I unreservedly apologise for assuming that you had listened to blogs without doing your research first. You have done your research. I am wrong"



Why would I write something so obviously incorrect?
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Reply #92 - Mar 21st, 2013 at 10:26am
 
Infarction wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 10:24am:
Maqqa wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 10:22am:
Just say "Maqqa, I unreservedly apologise for assuming that you had listened to blogs without doing your research first. You have done your research. I am wrong"



Why would I write something so obviously incorrect?



then considered yourself

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Reply #93 - Mar 21st, 2013 at 10:28am
 
Bwahahahahahaha

Ok then.

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Reply #94 - Mar 21st, 2013 at 10:29am
 
slap slap slap infrac the fool
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Reply #95 - Mar 21st, 2013 at 11:24am
 
Maqqa wrote on Mar 20th, 2013 at 2:09pm:
ok

without an apology from infrac - I'll close down the 5 reference tabs I have from

(1) Nick Xenophon
(2) ComLaw
(3) Attorney General Office
(4) Family Courts Australia
(5) Senate discussion transcript

SLAP SLAP SLAP infrac




I am prepared to give the above references once infrac give the apology below



Maqqa wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 10:22am:
Just say "Maqqa, I unreservedly apologise for assuming that you had listened to blogs without doing your research first. You have done your research. I am wrong"


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Re: Gillard's anti-father laws
Reply #96 - Mar 21st, 2013 at 12:23pm
 
Infarction wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 10:24am:
Maqqa wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 10:22am:
Just say "Maqqa, I unreservedly apologise for assuming that you had listened to blogs without doing your research first. You have done your research. I am wrong"



Why would I write something so obviously incorrect?

slap slap slap
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Reply #97 - Mar 21st, 2013 at 1:06pm
 
Maqqa wrote on Mar 20th, 2013 at 2:09pm:
ok

without an apology from infrac - I'll close down the 5 reference tabs I have from

(1) Nick Xenophon
(2) ComLaw
(3) Attorney General Office
(4) Family Courts Australia
(5) Senate discussion transcript

SLAP SLAP SLAP infrac





For the benefit of philperth rather than infrac

note that I promised these references at 3.09pm yesterday and I had it before that



(1) http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/stronger-protection-on-family-violence/stor...
Quote:
Independent Senator Nick Xenophon said the safety of children was paramount.

"I have reservations about the bill in its current form because of unintended consequences," he said.

"I'm concerned the bill overreaches and is fundamentally flawed."


(2) http://www.comlaw.gov.au/Details/C2011A00189

(3) http://www.ag.gov.au/FamiliesAndMarriage/Families/FamilyViolence/Pages/FamilyVio...

(4) http://www.familylawcourts.gov.au/wps/wcm/connect/FLC/Home/Whats+New/FLC_family_...

(5) http://www.openaustralia.org/senate/?id=2011-11-22.122.2

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Reply #98 - Mar 21st, 2013 at 1:13pm
 
Wow.
After all of that you produce links, none of which show what it is you were claiming, what you highlighted in yellow, in your first post.

in fact, it talks about primary and secondary considerations exactly as i have been saying in this thread to date.

Why didn't you just say that you agree with me in the first place?
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Reply #99 - Mar 21st, 2013 at 1:14pm
 
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Reply #100 - Mar 21st, 2013 at 1:18pm
 
Right wing Atheist totalitarian popularism... Smiley
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Reply #101 - Mar 21st, 2013 at 1:28pm
 
Here are the relevant sections Maqqa

Subdivision BA—Best interests of the child: court proceedings
60CA  Child’s best interests paramount consideration in making a parenting order
           In deciding whether to make a particular parenting order in relation to a child, a court must regard the best interests of the child as the paramount consideration.
60CB  Proceedings to which Subdivision applies
     (1)      This Subdivision applies to any proceedings under this Part in which the best interests of a child are the paramount consideration.
Note:      Division 10 also allows a court to make an order for a child’s interests to be independently represented by a lawyer in proceedings under this Part in which the best interests of a child are the paramount consideration.
     (2)      This Subdivision also applies to proceedings, in relation to a child, to which subsection 60G(2), 63F(2) or 63F(6) or section 68R applies.
60CC  How a court determines what is in a child’s best interests
Determining child’s best interests
     (1)      Subject to subsection (5), in determining what is in the child’s best interests, the court must consider the matters set out in subsections (2) and (3).
Primary considerations
     (2)      The primary considerations are:
     (a)      the benefit to the child of having a meaningful relationship with both of the child’s parents; and
     (b)      the need to protect the child from physical or psychological harm from being subjected to, or exposed to, abuse, neglect or family violence.
Note:      Making these considerations the primary ones is consistent with the objects of this Part set out in paragraphs 60B(1)(a) and (b).
     (2A)      In applying the considerations set out in subsection (2), the court is to give greater weight to the consideration set out in paragraph (2)(b).

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Reply #102 - Mar 21st, 2013 at 1:29pm
 
Additional considerations
     (3)      Additional considerations are:
     (a)      any views expressed by the child and any factors (such as the child’s maturity or level of understanding) that the court thinks are relevant to the weight it should give to the child’s views;
     (b)      the nature of the relationship of the child with:
     (i)      each of the child’s parents; and
     (ii)      other persons (including any grandparent or other relative of the child);
     (c)      the extent to which each of the child’s parents has taken, or failed to take, the opportunity:
     (i)      to participate in making decisions about major long term issues in relation to the child; and
     (ii)      to spend time with the child; and
     (iii)      to communicate with the child;
     (ca)      the extent to which each of the child’s parents has fulfilled, or failed to fulfil, the parent’s obligations to maintain the child;
     (d)      the likely effect of any changes in the child’s circumstances, including the likely effect on the child of any separation from:
     (i)      either of his or her parents; or
     (ii)      any other child, or other person (including any grandparent or other relative of the child), with whom he or she has been living;
     (e)      the practical difficulty and expense of a child spending time with and communicating with a parent and whether that difficulty or expense will substantially affect the child’s right to maintain personal relations and direct contact with both parents on a regular basis;
     (f)      the capacity of:
     (i)      each of the child’s parents; and
     (ii)      any other person (including any grandparent or other relative of the child);
           to provide for the needs of the child, including emotional and intellectual needs;
     (g)      the maturity, sex, lifestyle and background (including lifestyle, culture and traditions) of the child and of either of the child’s parents, and any other characteristics of the child that the court thinks are relevant;
     (h)      if the child is an Aboriginal child or a Torres Strait Islander child:
     (i)      the child’s right to enjoy his or her Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander culture (including the right to enjoy that culture with other people who share that culture); and
     (ii)      the likely impact any proposed parenting order under this Part will have on that right;
     (i)      the attitude to the child, and to the responsibilities of parenthood, demonstrated by each of the child’s parents;
     (j)      any family violence involving the child or a member of the child’s family;
     (k)      if a family violence order applies, or has applied, to the child or a member of the child’s family—any relevant inferences that can be drawn from the order, taking into account the following:
     (i)      the nature of the order;
     (ii)      the circumstances in which the order was made;
     (iii)      any evidence admitted in proceedings for the order;
     (iv)      any findings made by the court in, or in proceedings for, the order;
     (v)      any other relevant matter;
     (l)      whether it would be preferable to make the order that would be least likely to lead to the institution of further proceedings in relation to the child;
     (m)      any other fact or circumstance that the court thinks is relevant.
Consent orders
     (5)      If the court is considering whether to make an order with the consent of all the parties to the proceedings, the court may, but is not required to, have regard to all or any of the matters set out in subsection (2) or (3).
Right to enjoy Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander culture
     (6)      For the purposes of paragraph (3)(h), an Aboriginal child’s or a Torres Strait Islander child’s right to enjoy his or her Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander culture includes the right:
     (a)      to maintain a connection with that culture; and
     (b)      to have the support, opportunity and encouragement necessary:
     (i)      to explore the full extent of that culture, consistent with the child’s age and developmental level and the child’s views; and
     (ii)      to develop a positive appreciation of that culture.
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Reply #103 - Mar 21st, 2013 at 1:29pm
 
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Reply #104 - Mar 21st, 2013 at 1:29pm
 
60CD  How the views of a child are expressed
     (1)      Paragraph 60CC(3)(a) requires the court to consider any views expressed by a child in deciding whether to make a particular parenting order in relation to the child. This section deals with how the court informs itself of views expressed by a child.
     (2)      The court may inform itself of views expressed by a child:
     (a)      by having regard to anything contained in a report given to the court under subsection 62G(2); or
     (b)      by making an order under section 68L for the child’s interests in the proceedings to be independently represented by a lawyer; or
     (c)      subject to the applicable Rules of Court, by such other means as the court thinks appropriate.
Note 1:      Paragraph (a)—subsection 62G(3A) generally requires the person giving the report to ascertain the child’s views and include those views in the report.
Note 2:      Paragraph (b)—paragraph 68LA(5)(b) requires the independent children’s lawyer for the child to ensure that the child’s views are fully put before the court.
60CE  Children not required to express views
           Nothing in this Part permits the court or any person to require the child to express his or her views in relation to any matter.
60CF  Informing court of relevant family violence orders
     (1)      If a party to the proceedings is aware that a family violence order applies to the child, or a member of the child’s family, that party must inform the court of the family violence order.
     (2)      If a person who is not a party to the proceedings is aware that a family violence order applies to the child, or a member of the child’s family, that person may inform the court of the family violence order.
     (3)      Failure to inform the court of the family violence order does not affect the validity of any order made by the court.
60CG  Court to consider risk of family violence
     (1)      In considering what order to make, the court must, to the extent that it is possible to do so consistently with the child’s best interests being the paramount consideration, ensure that the order:
     (a)      is consistent with any family violence order; and
     (b)      does not expose a person to an unacceptable risk of family violence.
     (2)      For the purposes of paragraph (1)(b), the court may include in the order any safeguards that it considers necessary for the safety of those affected by the order.
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