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Mar 20th, 2013 at 2:01pm
 
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/opinion/our-carbon-tax-is-uniqu...

ACCORDING to ALP backbencher Andrew Leigh, "the Australian carbon price is quite typical of international schemes". Let us take one of the examples he used on this page earlier in the week --New Zealand -- and compare that claim with reality.

The starting point is that the Australian system charges $23 a tonne and raises about $9 billion a year. According to Treasury's latest forecast, released only last week, this will rise to $29 a tonne in three years and to $37 a tonne in 2020 before soaring to $350 a tonne by 2050. The $23 price alone has been the main factor in Australia's highest quarterly electricity price rises.

New Zealand's present carbon price is equivalent to $1.11 a tonne of CO2. So our scheme is over 20 times more expensive per tonne of emissions. The NZ scheme notionally covers half of the country's emissions, but each permit is offered on a two-for-one basis, so New Zealanders pay for only 25 per cent of their emissions. This is what is happening elsewhere in the world. No one else is making people pay for the bulk of their emissions. Governments have basically given firms their present emissions entitlement, with a little bit of trading on the margin.

On top of the fact New Zealanders have to pay for only 25 per cent of their permits, they can purchase unlimited quantities of cheap UN carbon offset permits.

Beyond New Zealand, the European scheme is in near collapse because of a huge over-allocation of free permits. Essentially there is a glut and no one wants to pay higher electricity prices to fix that glut.

In the US, the one certainty from the election is that neither candidate will go anywhere near a carbon tax. The idea of putting up, rather than pushing down, electricity and gas prices is pure political poison. In Canada, the centre-left Liberal Party was all but obliterated in an election that was a referendum on a Canadian carbon tax, and Japan has deferred any carbon tax indefinitely.

China is going through the greatest growth in coal consumption in history. It recently almost doubled the projected increase in coal usage. In 2002, Chinese coal consumption was 1.4 billion tonnes. It has long been Beijing's policy that this would reach four billion tonnes a year by 2015 before flattening out. However, in a speech strangely ignored by the ALP, China's Wu Yin, of the National Energy Administration, said in May that his country's coal consumption would grow to 7.5 billion tonnes by 2030.

In terms of emissions, this growth is the one fact the world needs to know. It is not a criticism of China, which is going through the great historic task of development, electrification and bringing more people out of poverty than at any time in history. But it is a reality check on a grand scale. A few micro carbon trading schemes that may tax only the lightest portion of emissions means little in the face of the greatest rise in coal consumption in history.

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Reply #1 - Mar 20th, 2013 at 2:03pm
 
http://www.pointcarbon.com/news/reutersnews/1.2227813

LONDON, March 19 (Reuters) - The European Union sold 4.451 million spot EU carbon permits from the third phase (2013-2020) of its emissions trading scheme on EEX at 3.33 euros ($4.32) a tonne each on Tuesday, traders said.
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Reply #2 - Mar 20th, 2013 at 2:52pm
 
Yes but Juliar can feel warm and fuzzy when she has her chardonnay comrades over for drinkies with Timmy....
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I'd rather live in Australia than all the countries you have mentioned Maqqa..how about you?
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Reply #4 - Mar 20th, 2013 at 3:24pm
 
adelcrow wrote on Mar 20th, 2013 at 2:53pm:
I'd rather live in Australia than all the countries you have mentioned Maqqa..how about you?


so screwing up is okay as long as we are still better? how precisely do u think we got to be in the world-best position? it certainly wasn't by simply ensuring we do better than a mob of scrubbers.
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Reply #5 - Mar 20th, 2013 at 3:27pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Mar 20th, 2013 at 3:24pm:
adelcrow wrote on Mar 20th, 2013 at 2:53pm:
I'd rather live in Australia than all the countries you have mentioned Maqqa..how about you?


so screwing up is okay as long as we are still better? how precisely do u think we got to be in the world-best position? it certainly wasn't by simply ensuring we do better than a mob of scrubbers.


So...where is Tony going to get the taxpayers money to fund his schemes to bring green house gases down by the same level as the Labor Party?
We know he has the same targets so without a price on carbon how is he going to fund it and how will he compensate all the businesses and farmers that are doing very well under the current package.
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Reply #6 - Mar 20th, 2013 at 3:53pm
 
adelcrow wrote on Mar 20th, 2013 at 3:27pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Mar 20th, 2013 at 3:24pm:
adelcrow wrote on Mar 20th, 2013 at 2:53pm:
I'd rather live in Australia than all the countries you have mentioned Maqqa..how about you?


so screwing up is okay as long as we are still better? how precisely do u think we got to be in the world-best position? it certainly wasn't by simply ensuring we do better than a mob of scrubbers.


So...where is Tony going to get the taxpayers money to fund his schemes to bring green house gases down by the same level as the Labor Party?
We know he has the same targets so without a price on carbon how is he going to fund it and how will he compensate all the businesses and farmers that are doing very well under the current package.


he'll repeal the CT and put nothing in its place. its all just a plan to fool morons like you who live the ACC fantasy. we will al lbe better off financially, power prices will drop and temperatures will do just what they have done for the past 17 years. NOTHING.
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Reply #7 - Mar 20th, 2013 at 3:54pm
 
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power prices will drop




I call BULLSH!T
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Reply #8 - Mar 20th, 2013 at 3:58pm
 
Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 20th, 2013 at 3:54pm:
Quote:
longweekend58 wrote on Mar 20th, 2013 at 3:53pm:
power prices will drop




I call BULLSH!T


Price rises of Groceries (per ABS) as a result of CT - $10 per week
Compensation to families - $0.05 per week

Now I call THAT Bullsh*t.....
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Reply #9 - Mar 20th, 2013 at 4:02pm
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 20th, 2013 at 3:58pm:
Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 20th, 2013 at 3:54pm:
Quote:
longweekend58 wrote on Mar 20th, 2013 at 3:53pm:
power prices will drop




I call BULLSH!T


Price rises of Groceries (per ABS) as a result of CT - $10 per week
Compensation to families - $0.05 per week

Now I call THAT Bullsh*t.....


I don't care
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Reply #10 - Mar 20th, 2013 at 4:03pm
 
Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 20th, 2013 at 4:02pm:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 20th, 2013 at 3:58pm:
Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 20th, 2013 at 3:54pm:
Quote:
longweekend58 wrote on Mar 20th, 2013 at 3:53pm:
power prices will drop




I call BULLSH!T


Price rises of Groceries (per ABS) as a result of CT - $10 per week
Compensation to families - $0.05 per week

Now I call THAT Bullsh*t.....


I don't care


And it is that attitude that has led to the Labor Party about to be decimated at the polls and the Greens dropping out of sight too.

Not caring about the people and ignoring them.

Sooner or later, that attitude catches up with you,
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Reply #11 - Mar 20th, 2013 at 4:05pm
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 20th, 2013 at 4:03pm:
Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 20th, 2013 at 4:02pm:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 20th, 2013 at 3:58pm:
Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 20th, 2013 at 3:54pm:
Quote:
longweekend58 wrote on Mar 20th, 2013 at 3:53pm:
power prices will drop




I call BULLSH!T


Price rises of Groceries (per ABS) as a result of CT - $10 per week
Compensation to families - $0.05 per week

Now I call THAT Bullsh*t.....


I don't care


And it is that attitude that has led to the Labor Party about to be decimated at the polls and the Greens dropping out of sight too.

Not caring about the people and ignoring them.

Sooner or later, that attitude catches up with you,



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Reply #12 - Mar 20th, 2013 at 4:08pm
 
You don't think the people's perception that the carbon tax is a lie and that they have carried on and forced it through the parliament is remotely related to Labor's polling??

Really?
Honestly?
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Reply #13 - Mar 20th, 2013 at 4:12pm
 
adelcrow wrote on Mar 20th, 2013 at 3:27pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Mar 20th, 2013 at 3:24pm:
adelcrow wrote on Mar 20th, 2013 at 2:53pm:
I'd rather live in Australia than all the countries you have mentioned Maqqa..how about you?


so screwing up is okay as long as we are still better? how precisely do u think we got to be in the world-best position? it certainly wasn't by simply ensuring we do better than a mob of scrubbers.


So...where is Tony going to get the taxpayers money to fund his schemes to bring green house gases down by the same level as the Labor Party?
We know he has the same targets so without a price on carbon how is he going to fund it and how will he compensate all the businesses and farmers that are doing very well under the current package.



The issue of "I'd rather live in Australia" is not the point of discussion in this thread

The issue is Gillard is pricing Carbon astronomically high compared to Europe and insanely high compared to NZ

My preference is for Australia to walk away from Kyoto
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Reply #14 - Mar 20th, 2013 at 4:18pm
 
adelcrow wrote on Mar 20th, 2013 at 2:53pm:
I'd rather live in Australia than all the countries you have mentioned Maqqa..how about you?



Well of the countries on the list in which I have lived, I rank in this order of preference -

1. United States
2. Great Britain
3. Australia
4. Canada
5. Austria

3rd.
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