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Court scolds Bowen over Hazara case
Mar 20th, 2013 at 10:34pm
 
More than 100 Afghan asylum seekers could have their failed refugee assessments reviewed after a court ruled that former immigration minister Chris Bowen had illegally ordered one man's removal to Afghanistan.
The Federal Court on Wednesday spared the man's removal to Afghanistan after he had spent about two years in detention.
All five judges on the bench described former immigration minister Chris Bowen's handling of the case of a Hazara, detained for more than two years, as ''disturbing''.
They declared Mr Bowen's decision invalid and restrained Immigration Minister Brendan O'Connor from removing the man ''until the claims for protection … have been assessed according to law''. The court also declared that his previous refugee assessment had not been carried out lawfully.
The decision is a setback for the government's hopes of using the involuntary return of ''failed'' asylum seekers to deter more arrivals.
The Hazara man, 34, arrived in 2010, claiming that the Taliban would kill him if he returned. He was scheduled to be flown to Afghanistan last September, having failed his refugee assessments.
Mr Bowen then had personal legal powers to grant him a visa if it was in the public interest. But on the same day that he was asked to decide whether to use these powers, he said he would not consider it, even if he was wrong and even if the assessments of the man were factually or legally wrong.
The minister's lawyers later argued that offshore entry persons did not have a right to compel him to use his powers, which were discretionary and not subject to judicial or parliamentary review.
The court held exercising those powers would ''[require] a decision-maker to hear and genuinely take into account what he has been told'', for procedural fairness. ''An opportunity to speak to a decision-maker who does not listen is no opportunity at all.''
Victor Harcourt, principal of public law at Russell Kennedy, which represented the man, said: ''This decision will have an immediate and significant impact on 100 or more other Afghan asylum seekers that we know to be in a similar position to our client.''
The Asylum Seeker Resource Centre's spokeswoman, Pamela Curr, said the decision showed ''toxic politics does not reign supreme and the rule of law and justice still have a chance''.
Afghans comprise the second-biggest ethnic group with 2286 arrivals this year, including more than 200 who arrived on three boats this week.
A spokeswoman for Immigration Minister Brendan O'Connor said the federal government's lawyers were reviewing the judgment.

http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/political-news/court-scolds-bowen-over-hazara-c...

With the current race to the bottom by the major parties on asylum seeker policy, it is always good to see evidence of the Rule of Law being alive and well in this country. This makes the fact that we have dumb and dumber as the two options for PM in September a little less troubling.
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Re: Court scolds Bowen over Hazara case
Reply #1 - Mar 20th, 2013 at 11:40pm
 
If you don't like this country Luke - FO

Your Greens party have destroyed Australia and you are pontificating about 100 illegals?

The Greens are a parasyte on Australia

They lack any real policies

They are at best a lobby party

After the 2010 - Australia have learnt never to put itself in this position again with the Greens thinking it runs the country

I dislike Labor

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Haven't got a problem with their ideals other than the idiots that implement it and those who support these idiots

Preference the Devil, the Sex Party r whatever party but never the Greens

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Reply #2 - Mar 20th, 2013 at 11:54pm
 
Maqqa wrote on Mar 20th, 2013 at 11:40pm:
If you don't like this country Luke - FO

Your Greens party have destroyed Australia and you are pontificating about 100 illegals?

The Greens are a parasyte on Australia

They lack any real policies

They are at best a lobby party

After the 2010 - Australia have learnt never to put itself in this position again with the Greens thinking it runs the country

I dislike Labor

I like Greens even less

Haven't got a problem with their ideals other than the idiots that implement it and those who support these idiots

Preference the Devil, the Sex Party r whatever party but never the Greens



dummy, if the 100 are illegals how are they not allowed to be deported? derrr dummy is such a dummy.
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Reply #3 - Mar 21st, 2013 at 6:14am
 
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Mar 20th, 2013 at 11:54pm:
Maqqa wrote on Mar 20th, 2013 at 11:40pm:
If you don't like this country Luke - FO

Your Greens party have destroyed Australia and you are pontificating about 100 illegals?

The Greens are a parasyte on Australia

They lack any real policies

They are at best a lobby party

After the 2010 - Australia have learnt never to put itself in this position again with the Greens thinking it runs the country

I dislike Labor

I like Greens even less

Haven't got a problem with their ideals other than the idiots that implement it and those who support these idiots

Preference the Devil, the Sex Party r whatever party but never the Greens



dummy, if the 100 are illegals how are they not allowed to be deported? derrr dummy is such a dummy.


Because they tie up the courts with one appeal after the other...
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Reply #4 - Mar 21st, 2013 at 7:12am
 
Luke Fowler wrote on Mar 20th, 2013 at 10:34pm:
More than 100 Afghan asylum seekers could have their failed refugee assessments reviewed after a court ruled that former immigration minister Chris Bowen had illegally ordered one man's removal to Afghanistan.
The Federal Court on Wednesday spared the man's removal to Afghanistan after he had spent about two years in detention.
All five judges on the bench described former immigration minister Chris Bowen's handling of the case of a Hazara, detained for more than two years, as ''disturbing''.
They declared Mr Bowen's decision invalid and restrained Immigration Minister Brendan O'Connor from removing the man ''until the claims for protection … have been assessed according to law''. The court also declared that his previous refugee assessment had not been carried out lawfully.
The decision is a setback for the government's hopes of using the involuntary return of ''failed'' asylum seekers to deter more arrivals.
The Hazara man, 34, arrived in 2010, claiming that the Taliban would kill him if he returned. He was scheduled to be flown to Afghanistan last September, having failed his refugee assessments.
Mr Bowen then had personal legal powers to grant him a visa if it was in the public interest. But on the same day that he was asked to decide whether to use these powers, he said he would not consider it, even if he was wrong and even if the assessments of the man were factually or legally wrong.
The minister's lawyers later argued that offshore entry persons did not have a right to compel him to use his powers, which were discretionary and not subject to judicial or parliamentary review.
The court held exercising those powers would ''[require] a decision-maker to hear and genuinely take into account what he has been told'', for procedural fairness. ''An opportunity to speak to a decision-maker who does not listen is no opportunity at all.''
Victor Harcourt, principal of public law at Russell Kennedy, which represented the man, said: ''This decision will have an immediate and significant impact on 100 or more other Afghan asylum seekers that we know to be in a similar position to our client.''
The Asylum Seeker Resource Centre's spokeswoman, Pamela Curr, said the decision showed ''toxic politics does not reign supreme and the rule of law and justice still have a chance''.
Afghans comprise the second-biggest ethnic group with 2286 arrivals this year, including more than 200 who arrived on three boats this week.
A spokeswoman for Immigration Minister Brendan O'Connor said the federal government's lawyers were reviewing the judgment.

http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/political-news/court-scolds-bowen-over-hazara-c...

With the current race to the bottom by the major parties on asylum seeker policy, it is always good to see evidence of the Rule of Law being alive and well in this country. This makes the fact that we have dumb and dumber as the two options for PM in September a little less troubling.


given that your position is 'let everyone who wants to come, come' then there is a thrid position that is stupider than any other - yours.
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Reply #5 - Mar 21st, 2013 at 7:19am
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 6:14am:
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Mar 20th, 2013 at 11:54pm:
Maqqa wrote on Mar 20th, 2013 at 11:40pm:
If you don't like this country Luke - FO

Your Greens party have destroyed Australia and you are pontificating about 100 illegals?

The Greens are a parasyte on Australia

They lack any real policies

They are at best a lobby party

After the 2010 - Australia have learnt never to put itself in this position again with the Greens thinking it runs the country

I dislike Labor

I like Greens even less

Haven't got a problem with their ideals other than the idiots that implement it and those who support these idiots

Preference the Devil, the Sex Party r whatever party but never the Greens



dummy, if the 100 are illegals how are they not allowed to be deported? derrr dummy is such a dummy.


Because they tie up the courts with one appeal after the other...


So then they aren't illegal.  Thanks for prOving the point holy dumbness.
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Reply #6 - Mar 21st, 2013 at 9:32am
 
If they are not illegal then why are they detained?
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Reply #7 - Mar 21st, 2013 at 9:43am
 
Maqqa wrote on Mar 20th, 2013 at 11:40pm:
If you don't like this country Luke - FO

Your Greens party have destroyed Australia and you are pontificating about 100 illegals?

The Greens are a parasyte on Australia

They lack any real policies

They are at best a lobby party

After the 2010 - Australia have learnt never to put itself in this position again with the Greens thinking it runs the country

I dislike Labor

I like Greens even less

Haven't got a problem with their ideals other than the idiots that implement it and those who support these idiots

Preference the Devil, the Sex Party r whatever party but never the Greens




I was actually saying the the country is great because of the fact that, no matter what idiot gets in power, the Rule of Law is generally there to protect us from any excesses or diminution of procedural and/or substantive fairness. A strong judiciary is the reason a democracy thrives.

I do travel quite a bit and have lived in quite a few amazing cities but I like it here in Melbourne a lot. It is a vibrant, multicultural city with some really great artistic, cultural and sporting events ... and nothing beats a pint of beer and a good book at my favorite pub by the Yarra River on a hot sunny day.

So, I am probably not going to take you up on your offer to "FO".  I am quite happy spending the majority of my time in this lovely city.

Also, I am pretty sure our Judiciary was around before The formation of The Greens.

I do find it quite amusing that you seem to suggest that anyone that does not like this country should "FO" and then go on to lament how the country is "destroyed". If you feel that is the case, you might want to heed your own advice.
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Reply #8 - Mar 21st, 2013 at 9:47am
 
Maqqa wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 9:32am:
If they are not illegal then why are they detained?


Because it's part of the process when applying for a protection visa.

Why aren't they allowed to be deported if they are illegal? Grin  Dummy.
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Reply #9 - Mar 21st, 2013 at 10:55am
 
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 9:47am:
Maqqa wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 9:32am:
If they are not illegal then why are they detained?


Because it's part of the process when applying for a protection visa.

Why aren't they allowed to be deported if they are illegal? Grin  Dummy.


can you find an example of a process where someone is detained against their will yet are not illegal (other than mental health detentions). none exist. the act of arriving here without permission is ILLEGAL and is why they are detained. the post facto application for asylum allows them to stay. it does not render the original illegal act, legal.
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Reply #10 - Mar 21st, 2013 at 10:59am
 
longweekend58 wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 10:55am:
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 9:47am:
Maqqa wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 9:32am:
If they are not illegal then why are they detained?


Because it's part of the process when applying for a protection visa.

Why aren't they allowed to be deported if they are illegal? Grin  Dummy.


can you find an example of a process where someone is detained against their will yet are not illegal (other than mental health detentions). none exist. the act of arriving here without permission is ILLEGAL and is why they are detained. the post facto application for asylum allows them to stay. it does not render the original illegal act, legal.


Yep I can. Refugee Convention explains it. So does the migration Act.

But we all know for someone to be deemed to have performed an illegal act they must either admit to it or have the courts determine it.  Here the courts don't seem to have determined it. Grin  How is it that the High Court hsa deemed asylum seekers cannot be deported because they have a right to have their protection application be heard and determined, and yet unlawful immigrants can be deported? You nuffs are the WORST legal interpreters in the world. You simply don't get it.
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Reply #11 - Mar 21st, 2013 at 11:02am
 
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 10:59am:
longweekend58 wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 10:55am:
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 9:47am:
Maqqa wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 9:32am:
If they are not illegal then why are they detained?


Because it's part of the process when applying for a protection visa.

Why aren't they allowed to be deported if they are illegal? Grin  Dummy.


can you find an example of a process where someone is detained against their will yet are not illegal (other than mental health detentions). none exist. the act of arriving here without permission is ILLEGAL and is why they are detained. the post facto application for asylum allows them to stay. it does not render the original illegal act, legal.


Yep I can. Refugee Convention explains it. So does the migration Act.

But we all know for someone to be deemed to have performed an illegal act they must either admit to it or have the courts determine it.  Here the courts don't seem to have determined it. Grin  How is it that the High Court hsa deemed asylum seekers cannot be deported because they have a right to have their protection application be heard and determined, and yet unlawful immigrants can be deported? You nuffs are the WORST legal interpreters in the world. You simply don't get it.



So in the Baden Clay situation - the courts have not determined that and he's been in locked down for awhile now
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Reply #12 - Mar 21st, 2013 at 11:07am
 
Maqqa wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 11:02am:
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 10:59am:
longweekend58 wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 10:55am:
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 9:47am:
Maqqa wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 9:32am:
If they are not illegal then why are they detained?


Because it's part of the process when applying for a protection visa.

Why aren't they allowed to be deported if they are illegal? Grin  Dummy.


can you find an example of a process where someone is detained against their will yet are not illegal (other than mental health detentions). none exist. the act of arriving here without permission is ILLEGAL and is why they are detained. the post facto application for asylum allows them to stay. it does not render the original illegal act, legal.


Yep I can. Refugee Convention explains it. So does the migration Act.

But we all know for someone to be deemed to have performed an illegal act they must either admit to it or have the courts determine it.  Here the courts don't seem to have determined it. Grin  How is it that the High Court hsa deemed asylum seekers cannot be deported because they have a right to have their protection application be heard and determined, and yet unlawful immigrants can be deported? You nuffs are the WORST legal interpreters in the world. You simply don't get it.



So in the Baden Clay situation - the courts have not determined that and he's been in locked down for awhile now


Exactly right dummy.  He is on trial. Well done Smiley I'm glad you now understand.
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Reply #13 - Mar 21st, 2013 at 11:07am
 
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 9:47am:
Maqqa wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 9:32am:
If they are not illegal then why are they detained?


Because it's part of the process when applying for a protection visa.

Why aren't they allowed to be deported if they are illegal? Grin  Dummy.



so ANYONE and EVERYONE who applies for a protection VISA is locked up??
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Reply #14 - Mar 21st, 2013 at 11:08am
 
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 11:07am:
Maqqa wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 11:02am:
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 10:59am:
longweekend58 wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 10:55am:
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 9:47am:
Maqqa wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 9:32am:
If they are not illegal then why are they detained?


Because it's part of the process when applying for a protection visa.

Why aren't they allowed to be deported if they are illegal? Grin  Dummy.


can you find an example of a process where someone is detained against their will yet are not illegal (other than mental health detentions). none exist. the act of arriving here without permission is ILLEGAL and is why they are detained. the post facto application for asylum allows them to stay. it does not render the original illegal act, legal.


Yep I can. Refugee Convention explains it. So does the migration Act.

But we all know for someone to be deemed to have performed an illegal act they must either admit to it or have the courts determine it.  Here the courts don't seem to have determined it. Grin  How is it that the High Court hsa deemed asylum seekers cannot be deported because they have a right to have their protection application be heard and determined, and yet unlawful immigrants can be deported? You nuffs are the WORST legal interpreters in the world. You simply don't get it.



So in the Baden Clay situation - the courts have not determined that and he's been in locked down for awhile now


Exactly right dummy.  He is on trial. Well done Smiley I'm glad you now understand.



MORON

Where was he before the trial started?
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