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Re: Leadership spill 4.30 AEST
Reply #60 - Mar 21st, 2013 at 5:56pm
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 5:35pm:
Desperate much Buzz??!




It's a "sport and hobby" to me
NEITHER results would affect me either way
There are larger things in MY life that would/could make me "desperate" in front of these ones


( ... At the MOMENT, I'm DESPERATE for RAIN in Victoria


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Re: Leadership spill 4.30 AEST
Reply #61 - Mar 21st, 2013 at 6:24pm
 
progressiveslol wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 5:45pm:
buzzanddidj wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 5:43pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 4:55pm:
Dnarever wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 4:46pm:
Maqqa wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 3:37pm:
Rudd not nominating is actually the best outcome for the LIBs



Macca has three lines of spin ready to cut and paste as required the others were.


Rudd winning is actually the best outcome for the LIBs


Gillard winning is actually the best outcome for the LIBs

The result never mattered Macca had the appropriate spin for the situation.



I dont think it is unfair to say that whatever the outcome, it was going to be bad for Labor. the mere fact of the leadership squabble made it a vote lser. the fact that there were NO CREDIBLE CANDIDATES at all is even worse.





Today's result confirmed there WAS no "leadership squabble" since Rudd's ONE and ONLY challenge, which he LOST

Rudd NEVER had the numbers
Which is WHY he has never challenged since[b]

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No, it was worse. It was part of labors party who were so disappointed in the misandrist gillard PM, that they went it alone in hope to force Rudd to challenge. Rudd has had enough of this disfunctional party, he doesnt even want to lead it any more.

Yep, its much worse than just Rudd challenging.


You ppl sound so desperate. Seriously gillard called it so she could shut the media up about the leadership crap. Its her thing - its why she called the election early too.

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Re: Leadership spill 4.30 AEST
Reply #62 - Mar 21st, 2013 at 7:04pm
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 6:24pm:
progressiveslol wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 5:45pm:
buzzanddidj wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 5:43pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 4:55pm:
Dnarever wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 4:46pm:
Maqqa wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 3:37pm:
Rudd not nominating is actually the best outcome for the LIBs



Macca has three lines of spin ready to cut and paste as required the others were.


Rudd winning is actually the best outcome for the LIBs


Gillard winning is actually the best outcome for the LIBs

The result never mattered Macca had the appropriate spin for the situation.



I dont think it is unfair to say that whatever the outcome, it was going to be bad for Labor. the mere fact of the leadership squabble made it a vote lser. the fact that there were NO CREDIBLE CANDIDATES at all is even worse.





Today's result confirmed there WAS no "leadership squabble" since Rudd's ONE and ONLY challenge, which he LOST

Rudd NEVER had the numbers
Which is WHY he has never challenged since[b]

[/b]







No, it was worse. It was part of labors party who were so disappointed in the misandrist gillard PM, that they went it alone in hope to force Rudd to challenge. Rudd has had enough of this disfunctional party, he doesnt even want to lead it any more.

Yep, its much worse than just Rudd challenging.


You ppl sound so desperate. Seriously gillard called it so she could shut the media up about the leadership crap. Its her thing - its why she called the election early too.

SOB

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Re: Leadership spill 4.30 AEST
Reply #63 - Mar 21st, 2013 at 7:12pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 5:24pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 5:17pm:
The whole thing just shows proof positive that the whole rudd thing was media hype - showing that we need some caps on media bullshit.

SOB


did someone at fairfax or murdoch call the leadership spill,  i missed that.  thanks spot


How many times has 'Rudd counting votes' or some such crap apeared in a Fairfax or Murdoch paper in the last fortnight? Gillard had to bring it to a head to end the speculation .. she's a clever girl.
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Re: Leadership spill 4.30 AEST
Reply #64 - Mar 21st, 2013 at 9:37pm
 
The fake caucus vote wont reassure voters.

I don't mind Pro-wrestling, but Labors choreography is getting predictable and tired.

Similarly,  their controversial new media reform package they knew would never pass both upper and lower houses in it's entirety was merely a diversion, a decoy, a way of subjugating our media who are ignoring  the elephant in the room.

Whilst Gillard insists her position as Labor leader has been emphatically confirmed after Kevin Rudd failed to nominate against her in a leadership spill this afternoon, there was never a doubt.
Rudd wont be returning as Labors leader.

So long as we take an interest, Fairfax & News Ltd will keep giving theses circus clowns oxygen, they will keep performing.

Labor will spill when Bill Shorten is good and ready to assume the leadership, even if this means dragging out a tired ineffective support act such as Crean in between.

For me, September cant come quick enough, for only when we the audience appear disinterested, and start focusing more on the elephant in the room will they spill and bring forward the election date.

Google---Unanswered Questions in Writing – Parliament of Australia.

Take your time, read the list carefully.

Our media need to be focusing more on unanswered questions, scrutinizing Bills before parliament and policy failures

According to The Australian,  The Victorian Police fraud squad investigation into the AWU "slush fund" scandal was drawing to a close.

This was three weeks ago, and we haven't heard so much as a whisper about it since.

Are they delaying the public release of the reports findings?



So many elephants in the room, so little time.....

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Re: Leadership spill 4.30 AEST
Reply #65 - Mar 21st, 2013 at 10:02pm
 
John Smith wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 7:12pm:
aquascoot wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 5:24pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 5:17pm:
The whole thing just shows proof positive that the whole rudd thing was media hype - showing that we need some caps on media bullshit.

SOB


did someone at fairfax or murdoch call the leadership spill,  i missed that.  thanks spot


How many times has 'Rudd counting votes' or some such crap apeared in a Fairfax or Murdoch paper in the last fortnight? Gillard had to bring it to a head to end the speculation .. she's a clever girl.


I thought it was Simon Crean that brought it on? Another of the best PM's Australia never had. For years I thought Gillard was the Labour Party's great hope for PM. Her ability to speak well at places like the Press club, in particular somewhat ironically, her defence of Simon Crean, had me totally convinced. To say I'm disinchanted would be the understatement of my life. The womens a poisonous xenophobic witch. 
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Reply #66 - Mar 21st, 2013 at 11:04pm
 
Grey...  there is much more to it than that... 

she isn't anything but an exceptional woman, of unwavering determination... to get things DONE.  Bit scary is it?? 
That women ARE that strong.!!??

Go Julia  ... in this .. I am with you.

Bring on the election.. in September...  a week is a long time in politics...

Rudd was never viable .. he's a  nutso... 
Gillard is the only leader in the ALP worth shite..
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Re: Leadership spill 4.30 AEST
Reply #67 - Mar 21st, 2013 at 11:15pm
 
Emma wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 11:04pm:
Grey...  there is much more to it than that... 

she isn't anything but an exceptional woman, of unwavering determination... to get things DONE.  Bit scary is it?? 
That women ARE that strong.!!??

Go Julia  ... in this .. I am with you.

Bring on the election.. in September...  a week is a long time in politics...

Rudd was never viable .. he's a  nutso... 
Gillard is the only leader in the ALP worth shite..



Come on Emma,
they are both liars - Labor will lose most of their seats.
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Re: Leadership spill 4.30 AEST
Reply #68 - Mar 21st, 2013 at 11:19pm
 
John Smith wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 7:12pm:
aquascoot wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 5:24pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 5:17pm:
The whole thing just shows proof positive that the whole rudd thing was media hype - showing that we need some caps on media bullshit.

SOB


did someone at fairfax or murdoch call the leadership spill,  i missed that.  thanks spot


How many times has 'Rudd counting votes' or some such crap apeared in a Fairfax or Murdoch paper in the last fortnight? Gillard had to bring it to a head to end the speculation .. she's a clever girl.


Indeed she is, which explains why she goes from blunder to blunder and faces electoral wipe out.
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Reply #69 - Mar 21st, 2013 at 11:38pm
 
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Emma Peel - Bit scary is it?? 
That women ARE that strong.!!??


I'm the father of three women Emma and I've raised them to understand what patriarchy is and what's wrong with it Was a time when Julia Gillard had no more vocal supporter than I. I applauded even as recently as the 'misogyny' speech; though the disenchantment started long before that. Maybe you and I have different 'values'. I despise racists and sexists, I don't excuse racism if it comes from black and I don't excuse homophobia if it comes from woman. How an atheist woman could oppose gay marriage and look a comrade like Penny Wong across the cabinet table is beyond me.
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Reply #70 - Mar 21st, 2013 at 11:46pm
 
  But don't get me wrong. I'm an Anarchist not a Tony Abbott supporter. It's just got to the stage with her attack on 457 visa holders that I couldn't pass a cigarette paper between them.

I don't think that's chance. I think they're both the product of a system that's fallen into complete corruption.  What I mean by corruption has more to do with the third law of thermodynamics than the passing of brown paper bags. Any system will fail. It doesn't make any difference whether it's a painting, a house, a hard drive, a universe or you and me. Over time little weaknesses grow into big weaknesses. The more complex a system is, the greater the rate of entropy, (think that's the word  ) .

Now you can carry out restoration work on an 'old master' or an important building. You can carry out repairs on people. But you can't put off the inevitable forever. We've extended the life expectancy of people by a decade or two, but it seems likely that's as far as it will go. Of course people are an organic self replicating system which is both as good and as complex as you can imagine.

So for a political system I think it silly to think you don't have to rebuild regularly. Especially given that it's in symbiotic relationship with so many other systems like the financial system; which has been allowed to decay into abstraction.

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Reply #71 - Mar 22nd, 2013 at 12:33am
 
well grey  .. I take your point... both parties are what they are because of their members and supporters.

PM Gillard lost much of my support when they pursued the liberal line of ''offshore detention" .. of refugees.  Shameful and a failure.
I have sympathy with the 457 Visa position.

You must know that the business community ,  will take the cheapest,  not the best, route.

Education funding and polcy has to be improved massively... why should there be a shortage of skills in australian youth???

Why isn't there  investment in our young folk,  who only really need to embrace the idea of learning... 
apprenticeships?  perhaps there is a better solution.   But I don't agree that 457 visas should be used to import 'labour'.
Knowledge.. to share ? .. expertise in IT ? OK...  but  drs nurses and teachers and public servants??? NO.
It is expected of government that they produce the best outcomes for their citisens..
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Reply #72 - Mar 22nd, 2013 at 4:29am
 
progressiveslol wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 7:04pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 6:24pm:
progressiveslol wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 5:45pm:
buzzanddidj wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 5:43pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 4:55pm:
Dnarever wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 4:46pm:
Maqqa wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 3:37pm:
Rudd not nominating is actually the best outcome for the LIBs



Macca has three lines of spin ready to cut and paste as required the others were.


Rudd winning is actually the best outcome for the LIBs


Gillard winning is actually the best outcome for the LIBs

The result never mattered Macca had the appropriate spin for the situation.



I dont think it is unfair to say that whatever the outcome, it was going to be bad for Labor. the mere fact of the leadership squabble made it a vote lser. the fact that there were NO CREDIBLE CANDIDATES at all is even worse.





Today's result confirmed there WAS no "leadership squabble" since Rudd's ONE and ONLY challenge, which he LOST

Rudd NEVER had the numbers
Which is WHY he has never challenged since[b]

[/b]







No, it was worse. It was part of labors party who were so disappointed in the misandrist gillard PM, that they went it alone in hope to force Rudd to challenge. Rudd has had enough of this disfunctional party, he doesnt even want to lead it any more.

Yep, its much worse than just Rudd challenging.


You ppl sound so desperate. Seriously gillard called it so she could shut the media up about the leadership crap. Its her thing - its why she called the election early too.

SOB

OMG your reputation is accurate.


Obviously you have nothing to say on topic . . . .

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Re: Leadership spill 4.30 AEST
Reply #73 - Mar 22nd, 2013 at 9:02am
 
The Labor Government is a shambles. What more is there to say about them.
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Reply #74 - Mar 22nd, 2013 at 9:04am
 
They all got 100% behind the leader to foil a media driven spill - looks like the opposite of a shambles to me.
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