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Fit of Absent Mindeness Gold Member Offline We need more fits of absent mindedness Posts: 1622 Brisbane Gender:	Re: Leadership spill 4.30 AEST Reply #75 - Mar 22^nd, 2013 at 9:09am The numbers (apparently) were: Rudd: 50 Gillard: 44 9 were said to be undecided. I don't know if Rudd would have won, but the party is very much divided. The above might be false, but it has been reported a couple of times
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Reply #76 - Mar 22^nd, 2013 at 9:13am

Fit of Absent Mindeness wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2013 at 9:09am:

The numbers (apparently) were:

Rudd: 50
Gillard: 44

9 were said to be undecided.

I don't know if Rudd would have won, but the party is very much divided.

It is more likely that no-one ran, even Rudd, because everyone apart from the voters of gillard have lost all hope. Demoralised.

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Re: Leadership spill 4.30 AEST
Reply #77 - Mar 22^nd, 2013 at 9:40am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 6:24pm:

You ppl sound so desperate. Seriously gillard called it so she could shut the media up about the leadership crap. Its her thing - its why she called the election early too.

SOB

She didn't call it.
Simon Crean did.

She had no intention at the start of the day to do anything of the sort.

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Reply #78 - Mar 22^nd, 2013 at 9:46am

http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/politics/and-the-winner-is-8230-abbott-20130321...

''If he had actually lifted the phone'' to lobby for votes, said one of his dismayed allies, ''he'd be prime minister now.'' But he insisted on the sanctity of his pledge, even though it doomed his cause and exposed his supporters to the wrath of the Prime Minister. Rudd kept his promise, but he has destroyed his credibility as a leadership candidate.

As he entered the caucus room, he paused before the TV cameras and announced that he would not be a candidate. It was a moment of gut-wrenching disappointment for his supporters and gleefully comical anti-climax for his detractors.

By Thursday night, at least three Rudd supporters had paid the price of openly supporting Rudd; Crean had lost his cabinet post, Richard Marles had resigned as parliamentary secretary for foreign affairs, and Joel Fitzgibbon was reconsidering his position as government Whip.

More than 40 MPs had allowed themselves to be counted as his supporters in a caucus of 100 available members. Few will consider repeating that exercise.

One of his most important and effective lieutenants declared: ''I'm over Rudd.'' But in the process, Labor has revealed that almost half the caucus was prepared to vote for Rudd even without him asking. This indicates that Gillard suffers a major deficit of confidence.

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Reply #79 - Mar 22^nd, 2013 at 1:02pm

Emma wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2013 at 12:33am:

well grey .. I take your point... both parties are what they are because of their members and supporters.

PM Gillard lost much of my support when they pursued the liberal line of ''offshore detention" .. of refugees. Shameful and a failure.
I have sympathy with the 457 Visa position.

You must know that the business community , will take the cheapest, not the best, route.

Education funding and polcy has to be improved massively... why should there be a shortage of skills in australian youth???

Why isn't there investment in our young folk, who only really need to embrace the idea of learning...
apprenticeships? perhaps there is a better solution. But I don't agree that 457 visas should be used to import 'labour'.
Knowledge.. to share ? .. expertise in IT ? OK... but drs nurses and teachers and public servants??? NO.
It is expected of government that they produce the best outcomes for their citisens..

The 457 visa issue is desperate dog whistle appeal to racism Emma. Her figures weren't rubbery, they were a blatant lie. The fact is industry uses 457 visas for the purpose they are made for and in the overwhelming majority pay the right pay rates. It doesn't get more racist than the "their taking your jobs" appeal.

Australia is a service economy. It's all paid for by carving off bits of the country and selling it. Mountains are turned into holes in the ground and the money from that flows into the pockets of hairdressers and telephone cleaners. There's no hairdressers employed on 457 visas, they're employed by the miners in places unemployed people in Sydney and Melbourne are unwilling to go for a job.

It's not a side issue beaten up by the opposition, (for once) it is blatant hypocrisy.

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Grey Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5341 Gender:	Re: Leadership spill 4.30 AEST Reply #80 - Mar 22^nd, 2013 at 1:06pm The 'left' must now take The Greens seriously, because it's the only horse we've got running in the race.
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simonhall1900 Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 314	Re: Leadership spill 4.30 AEST Reply #81 - Mar 22^nd, 2013 at 1:12pm Must be my imagination then.......how many have resigned or been sacked since this fiasco. I wouldn't call that 100% behind Herr Leader, and that's not counting the gutless 'others' who voted against Gillard but prefer to stay on and rest on their massive salaries.
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simonhall1900 Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 314	Re: Leadership spill 4.30 AEST Reply #82 - Mar 22^nd, 2013 at 1:13pm Grey wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2013 at 1:06pm: The 'left' must now take The Greens seriously, because it's the only horse we've got running in the race. Greens seriously
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Re: Leadership spill 4.30 AEST
Reply #83 - Mar 22^nd, 2013 at 2:24pm

simonhall1900 wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2013 at 1:13pm:

Grey wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2013 at 1:06pm:

The 'left' must now take The Greens seriously, because it's the only horse we've got running in the race.

Greens seriously Grin

Fresh ideas for a new century, spirit of openess. Liberals have nothing to crow about, they're leader is a mirror image of Gillard + budgie.

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Re: Leadership spill 4.30 AEST
Reply #84 - Mar 22^nd, 2013 at 2:29pm

Grey wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2013 at 2:24pm:

simonhall1900 wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2013 at 1:13pm:

Grey wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2013 at 1:06pm:

The 'left' must now take The Greens seriously, because it's the only horse we've got running in the race.

Greens seriously Grin

Fresh ideas for a new century, spirit of openess. Liberals have nothing to crow about, they're leader is a mirror image of Gillard + budgie.

correct

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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: Leadership spill 4.30 AEST Reply #85 - Mar 22^nd, 2013 at 2:47pm Grey wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2013 at 1:06pm: The 'left' must now take The Greens seriously, because it's the only horse we've got running in the race. 50%+ tax band?? Yeah, awesome one that grey.
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Re: Leadership spill 4.30 AEST
Reply #86 - Mar 22^nd, 2013 at 3:11pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2013 at 2:47pm:

Grey wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2013 at 1:06pm:

The 'left' must now take The Greens seriously, because it's the only horse we've got running in the race.

50%+ tax band??
Yeah, awesome one that grey.

Don't bother me none Grin

In fact I think they may be being a little conservative.

http://www.smh.com.au/national/greens-push-millionaires-tax-to-spare-single-pare...

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