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progressiveslol Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17029	Re: IT'S the wall-punching episode Reply #1 - Mar 21^st, 2013 at 5:38pm More like a hole in the evidence "I didnt see anything, but she told me, so it must be true" In court, that is heresay. In real life, we call that activist BS in the history of this case.
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chicken_lipsforme Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7090 Townsville NQ Gender:	Re: IT'S the wall-punching episode Reply #2 - Mar 21^st, 2013 at 6:25pm Does anyone really care what Abbott may or may not have done in 1977. I would have thought what he does in 2013 would be more relevant.
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Re: IT'S the wall-punching episode
Reply #3 - Mar 21^st, 2013 at 6:27pm

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 5:38pm:

More like a hole in the evidence

"I didnt see anything, but she told me, so it must be true"

In court, that is heresay. In real life, we call that activist BS in the history of this case.

No. It is an eye witness account. Learn how to read:

"I saw Abbott raise his elbow above his head and his fist was clenched and then he drove his fist down.

He saw it.

You are confusing this witness with another witness to the event, Sydney barrister. Mr Patch did not see the actual punch, but he was a witness to the event

''The law (and commonsense) recognise that when victims complain immediately it is very likely they are telling the truth. It is the spontaneity of the complaint, and the inability to fabricate a false allegation in a short period of time, which give it the ring of truth.''
http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/punch-witness-comes-forward-with-ta...

And then there is the 3rd witness to the event. Ms Ramjan. Are you calling her a liar? I wouldn't if I were you - or you will end up like Michael Kroger:

BARBARA RAMJAN, the woman who accused Opposition Leader Tony Abbott of intimidating her physically at Sydney University, is suing the Victorian Liberal Party powerbroker, Michael Kroger, and The Australian newspaper, over comments during the recent fallout from the saga.
The defamation action, lodged in the NSW Supreme Court on Monday, has the potential to reopen the debate over the alleged wall-punching incident.
http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/abbott-accuser-sues-liberal-party-p...

3 witnesses to the event.

All against Abbott's word. Abbott's changing word. First he said he couldn't remember. Then he could remember and he says he didn't do it. A man who has told us not to believe everything he says.

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rabbitoh07 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2783 Gender:	Re: IT'S the wall-punching episode Reply #4 - Mar 21^st, 2013 at 6:28pm chicken_lipsforme wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 6:25pm: Does anyone really care what Abbott may or may not have done in 1977. I would have thought what he does in 2013 would be more relevant. Throwing punches at women is a bad look for a bloke who already has a reputation as being sexist.
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Reply #5 - Mar 21^st, 2013 at 6:53pm

rabbitoh07 wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 6:28pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 6:25pm:

Does anyone really care what Abbott may or may not have done in 1977.
I would have thought what he does in 2013 would be more relevant.

Throwing punches at women is a bad look for a bloke who already has a reputation as being sexist.

His 'reputation as being sexist' comes out of Juliars mouth only.
And once again, 1977???
Say no more.
This says more about how pathetic Labor are than about Abbott.

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Re: IT'S the wall-punching episode
Reply #6 - Mar 21^st, 2013 at 6:57pm

rabbitoh07 wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 6:27pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 5:38pm:

More like a hole in the evidence

"I didnt see anything, but she told me, so it must be true"

In court, that is heresay. In real life, we call that activist BS in the history of this case.

No. It is an eye witness account. Learn how to read:

"I saw Abbott raise his elbow above his head and his fist was clenched and then he drove his fist down.

He saw it.

You are confusing this witness with another witness to the event, Sydney barrister. Mr Patch did not see the actual punch, but he was a witness to the event

''The law (and commonsense) recognise that when victims complain immediately it is very likely they are telling the truth. It is the spontaneity of the complaint, and the inability to fabricate a false allegation in a short period of time, which give it the ring of truth.''
http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/punch-witness-comes-forward-with-ta...

And then there is the 3rd witness to the event. Ms Ramjan. Are you calling her a liar? I wouldn't if I were you - or you will end up like Michael Kroger:

BARBARA RAMJAN, the woman who accused Opposition Leader Tony Abbott of intimidating her physically at Sydney University, is suing the Victorian Liberal Party powerbroker, Michael Kroger, and The Australian newspaper, over comments during the recent fallout from the saga.
The defamation action, lodged in the NSW Supreme Court on Monday, has the potential to reopen the debate over the alleged wall-punching incident.
http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/abbott-accuser-sues-liberal-party-p...

3 witnesses to the event.

All against Abbott's word. Abbott's changing word. First he said he couldn't remember. Then he could remember and he says he didn't do it. A man who has told us not to believe everything he says.

Yeh. I saw nothing that can be construde as a crime.

Wow, thanks for coming mate. We will call you.

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Re: IT'S the wall-punching episode
Reply #7 - Mar 21^st, 2013 at 6:58pm

rabbitoh07 wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 6:28pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 6:25pm:

Does anyone really care what Abbott may or may not have done in 1977.
I would have thought what he does in 2013 would be more relevant.

Throwing punches at women is a bad look for a bloke who already has a reputation as being sexist.

Who did that?

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Reply #8 - Mar 21^st, 2013 at 7:05pm

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 6:53pm:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 6:28pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 6:25pm:

Does anyone really care what Abbott may or may not have done in 1977.
I would have thought what he does in 2013 would be more relevant.

Throwing punches at women is a bad look for a bloke who already has a reputation as being sexist.

His 'reputation as being sexist' comes out of Juliars mouth only.
And once again, 1977???
Say no more.
This says more about how pathetic Labor are than about Abbott.

No, it’s about a macho, boxing, budgie-smuggling ex-priest’s appeal to female voters.

Abbott may eventually win them over - who knows? Up until now, he’s popular to the monarchist and Catholic vote. That’s about it.

Personally, I live in hope. I realize I’m in the minority though.

And I have very little evidence to base my hope on.

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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38864 Gender:	Re: IT'S the wall-punching episode Reply #9 - Mar 21^st, 2013 at 7:21pm This business of starting new Threads where there is an existing one on exactly the same topic, really sh1ts me off. Why do you do it?
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red baron Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10204 Blue Mountains Gender:	Re: IT'S the wall-punching episode Reply #10 - Mar 21^st, 2013 at 7:26pm What a crock!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Reply #11 - Mar 21^st, 2013 at 7:32pm

Mentality of a liberal monkey

Abbott is accused of punching a wall .. with three independent witnesses ... libs response, it's all lies, you cannot prove it, he wasn't charges

Gillard is accused of stealing union funds .... we are told by someone who knew someone who had a dog that heard someone say something ... no real proof despite months of waiting for Pickering or Smith to provide some ... libs response .. guilty, no need for a trial, hang her, jail her ...

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Our esteemed leader:
I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Reply #12 - Mar 21^st, 2013 at 7:53pm

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 6:58pm:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 6:28pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 6:25pm:

Does anyone really care what Abbott may or may not have done in 1977.
I would have thought what he does in 2013 would be more relevant.

Throwing punches at women is a bad look for a bloke who already has a reputation as being sexist.

Who did that?

Tony Abbot.

There were 3 witnesses to the event.
1 who saw him throw the punch
1 who saw the victim moments afterward.
And, of course - the victim.

3 witnesses against the word of one bloke who has a history that includes a charge of indecent assault.

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Reply #13 - Mar 21^st, 2013 at 7:56pm

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 6:57pm:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 6:27pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 5:38pm:

More like a hole in the evidence

"I didnt see anything, but she told me, so it must be true"

In court, that is heresay. In real life, we call that activist BS in the history of this case.

No. It is an eye witness account. Learn how to read:

"I saw Abbott raise his elbow above his head and his fist was clenched and then he drove his fist down.

He saw it.

You are confusing this witness with another witness to the event, Sydney barrister. Mr Patch did not see the actual punch, but he was a witness to the event

''The law (and commonsense) recognise that when victims complain immediately it is very likely they are telling the truth. It is the spontaneity of the complaint, and the inability to fabricate a false allegation in a short period of time, which give it the ring of truth.''
http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/punch-witness-comes-forward-with-ta...

And then there is the 3rd witness to the event. Ms Ramjan. Are you calling her a liar? I wouldn't if I were you - or you will end up like Michael Kroger:

BARBARA RAMJAN, the woman who accused Opposition Leader Tony Abbott of intimidating her physically at Sydney University, is suing the Victorian Liberal Party powerbroker, Michael Kroger, and The Australian newspaper, over comments during the recent fallout from the saga.
The defamation action, lodged in the NSW Supreme Court on Monday, has the potential to reopen the debate over the alleged wall-punching incident.
http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/abbott-accuser-sues-liberal-party-p...

3 witnesses to the event.

All against Abbott's word. Abbott's changing word. First he said he couldn't remember. Then he could remember and he says he didn't do it. A man who has told us not to believe everything he says.

Yeh. I saw nothing that can be construde as a crime.

Wow, thanks for coming mate. We will call you.

Tellling lies again?

One witness has claimed he saw something which can certainly be construde as a crime.

He saw:

"I saw Abbott raise his elbow above his head and his fist was clenched and then he drove his fist down.

That is assault.

And another witness saw the effects of the assault shortly afterwards.

''The law (and commonsense) recognise that when victims complain immediately it is very likely they are telling the truth. It is the spontaneity of the complaint, and the inability to fabricate a false allegation in a short period of time, which give it the ring of truth.''
http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/punch-witness-comes-forward-with-ta...

The 3rd witness - Ms Ramjan - saw the whole thing. Are you calling her a liar?

(and No - I don't know why this is all in italics)

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96688	Re: IT'S the wall-punching episode Reply #14 - Mar 21^st, 2013 at 8:00pm I can’t believe I’m actually saying this, but what did he actually do? Punched a wall, right? In a rather intimidating way, sure, but he punched a wall. Who exactly is the victim? The wall, or... ?
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