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red baron

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So sorry for Simon Crean
Mar 21^st, 2013 at 5:07pm

I feel so sorry for Simon Crean, I think Kevin Rudd left him to hang out to dry. Crean above all is a decent man and God knows there are precious few of them in Labor.

There is no way in hell, that Crean would have precipitated this today without some guarantees. I don't know what Machiavellian game Kevin Rudd is playing but its a dangerous one and resulted with his high profile supporter Simon Crean left out of the boat without a life jacket.

It beggars belief that Simon Crean WOULD NOT have run the scenario past Kevin Rudd before sucking it up and calling for a spill.

Crean has been left without a Ministry because Gillard sacked him, even before the votes were taken. You can't blame her for that but my great belief is that Kevin Rudd has just done a Judas Act on Crean and I hope he pays the bloody price...I hope they never recall him.

Rumours I hear is that it is not over and that he is making some sort of grandstand play. Personally I think he has dealt himself out of the game.

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sir prince duke alevine Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23619 Gender:	Re: So sorry for Simon Crean Reply #1 - Mar 21^st, 2013 at 5:10pm Its pretty obvious Rudd didn't have the numbers. They are quite delusional.
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Re: So sorry for Simon Crean
Reply #2 - Mar 21^st, 2013 at 5:17pm

Look at it from another perspective, he was just given a life boat.

In 6 months all Gillard will be remembered for was what a woeful PM she was and what a mess of a government she lead. Crean will be remembered as the one man that stood up and said this is a shambles and needs fixing. Today she just made him a martyr.

But still, you're right. Poor form by Rudd no matter what.

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red baron Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10204 Blue Mountains Gender:	Re: So sorry for Simon Crean Reply #3 - Mar 21^st, 2013 at 5:18pm I agree 100% with you Quantum
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Redmond Neck Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 21732 ACT Gender:	Re: So sorry for Simon Crean Reply #4 - Mar 21^st, 2013 at 5:30pm Yeah me too!!
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john_g Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1549 Gender:	Re: So sorry for Simon Crean Reply #5 - Mar 21^st, 2013 at 5:35pm The same Crean who rubbished Rudd last year? You reap what you sow.
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Redmond Neck Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 21732 ACT Gender:	Re: So sorry for Simon Crean Reply #6 - Mar 21^st, 2013 at 5:44pm Nothing to do with Reap and Sow I think Simon is an honest broker who speaks his mind always in the party interest!!
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Re: So sorry for Simon Crean
Reply #7 - Mar 21^st, 2013 at 6:27pm

red baron wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 5:07pm:

I feel so sorry for Simon Crean, I think Kevin Rudd left him to hang out to dry. Crean above all is a decent man and God knows there are precious few of them in Labor.

There is no way in hell, that Crean would have precipitated this today without some guarantees. I don't know what Machiavellian game Kevin Rudd is playing but its a dangerous one and resulted with his high profile supporter Simon Crean left out of the boat without a life jacket.

It beggars belief that Simon Crean WOULD NOT have run the scenario past Kevin Rudd before sucking it up and calling for a spill.

Crean has been left without a Ministry because Gillard sacked him, even before the votes were taken. You can't blame her for that but my great belief is that Kevin Rudd has just done a Judas Act on Crean and I hope he pays the bloody price...I hope they never recall him.

Rumours I hear is that it is not over and that he is making some sort of grandstand play. Personally I think he has dealt himself out of the game.

Would these rumours be from an 'unnamed source within the Labor Party', or some dim little corner of your mind?

As for your being sorry for Simon Crean....

What absolute rot!!

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red baron Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10204 Blue Mountains Gender:	Re: So sorry for Simon Crean Reply #8 - Mar 21^st, 2013 at 7:38pm Pearls of wisdom from Froggie, perhaps you should ring Julia and give her your profound advice, I think she might be in the need of some.
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Re: So sorry for Simon Crean
Reply #9 - Mar 21^st, 2013 at 7:38pm

Lobo wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 6:27pm:

red baron wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 5:07pm:

I feel so sorry for Simon Crean, I think Kevin Rudd left him to hang out to dry. Crean above all is a decent man and God knows there are precious few of them in Labor.

There is no way in hell, that Crean would have precipitated this today without some guarantees. I don't know what Machiavellian game Kevin Rudd is playing but its a dangerous one and resulted with his high profile supporter Simon Crean left out of the boat without a life jacket.

It beggars belief that Simon Crean WOULD NOT have run the scenario past Kevin Rudd before sucking it up and calling for a spill.

Crean has been left without a Ministry because Gillard sacked him, even before the votes were taken. You can't blame her for that but my great belief is that Kevin Rudd has just done a Judas Act on Crean and I hope he pays the bloody price...I hope they never recall him.

Rumours I hear is that it is not over and that he is making some sort of grandstand play. Personally I think he has dealt himself out of the game.

Would these rumours be from an 'unnamed source within the Labor Party', or some dim little corner of your mind?

As for your being sorry for Simon Crean....

What absolute rot!!

methinks your rumours come from mates in the pub (or worse). not one of your rumours has ever come remotely true.

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Re: So sorry for Simon Crean
Reply #10 - Mar 21^st, 2013 at 7:39pm

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 7:38pm:

Lobo wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 6:27pm:

red baron wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 5:07pm:

I feel so sorry for Simon Crean, I think Kevin Rudd left him to hang out to dry. Crean above all is a decent man and God knows there are precious few of them in Labor.

There is no way in hell, that Crean would have precipitated this today without some guarantees. I don't know what Machiavellian game Kevin Rudd is playing but its a dangerous one and resulted with his high profile supporter Simon Crean left out of the boat without a life jacket.

It beggars belief that Simon Crean WOULD NOT have run the scenario past Kevin Rudd before sucking it up and calling for a spill.

Crean has been left without a Ministry because Gillard sacked him, even before the votes were taken. You can't blame her for that but my great belief is that Kevin Rudd has just done a Judas Act on Crean and I hope he pays the bloody price...I hope they never recall him.

Rumours I hear is that it is not over and that he is making some sort of grandstand play. Personally I think he has dealt himself out of the game.

Would these rumours be from an 'unnamed source within the Labor Party', or some dim little corner of your mind?

As for your being sorry for Simon Crean....

What absolute rot!!

methinks your rumours come from mates in the pub (or worse). not one of your rumours has ever come remotely true.

I agree with you longlooser ... it appears that Red never gets it right.

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Re: So sorry for Simon Crean
Reply #11 - Mar 21^st, 2013 at 7:49pm

Frankly I don't care whether you believe me or not. I knew last night about the spill but because of the very fact that the last one didn't come off, I held off.

As it turned out I don't think even Simon Crean can comprehend the events of today.

I think he was bushwacked big time by Rudd, who knows what is going on in the mind of that man.

I know one thing, Labor Government over the next 6 months is going to be a bloody circus, so buy your peanuts and get a good seat.

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