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Re: Thanks Labor for Tony
Reply #15 - Mar 22^nd, 2013 at 10:03am

Swagman wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2013 at 10:00am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2013 at 8:48am:

I am no supporter or fan of the Labor Party or Julia Gillard, I think my record on here backs that one up.

But I will add that Tony Abbott has done precious little to cause any of this popularity fall himself.

I don't think Abbott will be a good PM. I think he's a good attack-dog Minister (which is just what Howard used him for) and he can hammer guys in parliament but I don't see him as a leader.

Labor is on 29-31.
I think this is in spite of Abbott not because of it.

Honestly, I think if the Liberals were currently led by Turnbull, Labor would be on 21-23 primary vote.

Gillard, Rudd, Swan, Emerson etc etc - the list is endless.
Making a policy, being cast-iron on it, then dropping it a year later as if they had never said anything about it.
Swan's surplus.
He shouldn't have committed to one, he didn't need to. But he did, then he drops it.
Gillard didn't need to say no carbon tax, she simply didn't need to say that.
It's just one policy drop after another - none of this has to do with Abbott or the Coalition.

All Abbott has to do is shut up, say nothing and just watch the other side fold internally.
All that yesterday had nothing to do with him at all, they are collapsing within.

Problem is, this is a party actually supposed to be leading the country.

I do, however, think that at some point in the future Malcolm Turnbull will be the Prime Minister - and Australia will be the better for it.

I have to disagree.

When Nelson & Turnbull were Leaders of the Libs the Coalition's polls were at record lows and Rudd Labor were in record highs.

Nelson & Turnbull did not offer a political alternative. They were weak and they failed in making in-roads into Labor's popularity.

I admit that I was apprehensive when Abbott was elected leader but he almost got the Coalition over the line in 2010 and but for a couple of turn coat Independents he would have done the near impossible and defeated a first term Govt which enjoyed record popularity.

So what if he's been negative? In opposition you oppose. Abbott gave the Coalition a weapon (get rid of the unmandated carbon tax) to beat Labor up and that's what he has achieved.

Turnbull would not be the ideal leader

One of the heaviest yoke around Gillard's neck is the carbon tax and eventual ETS

Turnbull supports an ETS - therefore Labor will have a field day if he becomes leader

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Re: Thanks Labor for Tony
Reply #16 - Mar 22^nd, 2013 at 10:26am

skippy. wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2013 at 9:55am:

Rider wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2013 at 9:45am:

skippy. wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2013 at 9:36am:

Will an attack dog be a decent PM? Or even marginally adequate ? In phony tonys case I say no. He has been in public life for over twenty years and has never shown leadership skills, why will this be different?
Th media need to turn their attentions to Abbott now, the Labor circus is over, the media need to scrutinise Abbott on how he is going to make things better, as if there is anything wrong in the first place. See, when phony becomes PM he will use the entire time doing the only thing he knows, attacking Labor, but people will be expecting him to deliver just like he has been promising. The worst thing for phony tony is when the election is held and he wakes up as PM and says to Margie," what the bugger do I do now"?

BS - the most basic of tests is how long has he been opp. leader? How many times has his leadership been questioned by his own party? How many attacks to his leadership has he had to defend?

Facts talk, BS walks. Hope your shoes are comfy mate Wink

You are not very bright are you? I am not surprised. Abbotts leadership has been questioned just about as many times as Gillards, you best come out from under your rock a little more often, when the press is not full of leaks about Gilards leadership it is full of leaks about Phony tony and Turnbull. No need to resort to lies, nuf nuf, phony looks to have it in the bag, good, dickheads that support the women basher deserve him. Roll Eyes

ROFLMAO the talk of Liberal leadership and Abbott has one thing in common with ALL the talk of the leadership of Gillard - its all been coming out of Labors locker room.

Turnbull has been a star performer of late - belting Conroy and Gillard around the head with there own dumbass policies and incompetencies - he's hardly been plotting to steal the leadership Grin

(he may earn it later on, and that may be a good thing, and he may just be a very, very good leader the second time round)

As it stands, Abbott is a good enough leader to win the election and put the ALP/Union joint ticket into the wilderness for another decade.

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Re: Thanks Labor for Tony
Reply #17 - Mar 22^nd, 2013 at 10:32am

I think alevine vent actually sums up the ALP very well.

Nearly everyone of them that spoke yesterday uttered words to the effect of “this is about ensuring Tony Abbott does not become PM”

NO IT IS NOT.

This is about the ALP taking 73% popularity for a PM and pissing it against the wall.

Poorly planned and communicated policy.

Policy on the run.

Lack of communication in the party.

Losing sight of what the party stands for.

The ALP is a team of I’s.

But all they can hark about is Abbott instead of being more introspective and working on their internal issues and being true to what they stand for.

ABBOTT ABBOTT ABBOTT.

Their dreams must be full of Tony in his budgie smugglers, CFA uniform, chasing their sorry arses all the way to oblivion.

Aaaaaaaaaargh look out it’s the misogynist!!!!

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Re: Thanks Labor for Tony
Reply #18 - Mar 22^nd, 2013 at 10:37am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2013 at 8:48am:

I am no supporter or fan of the Labor Party or Julia Gillard, I think my record on here backs that one up.

But I will add that Tony Abbott has done precious little to cause any of this popularity fall himself.

I don't think Abbott will be a good PM. I think he's a good attack-dog Minister (which is just what Howard used him for) and he can hammer guys in parliament but I don't see him as a leader.

Labor is on 29-31.
I think this is in spite of Abbott not because of it.

Honestly, I think if the Liberals were currently led by Turnbull, Labor would be on 21-23 primary vote.

Gillard, Rudd, Swan, Emerson etc etc - the list is endless.
Making a policy, being cast-iron on it, then dropping it a year later as if they had never said anything about it.
Swan's surplus.
He shouldn't have committed to one, he didn't need to. But he did, then he drops it.
Gillard didn't need to say no carbon tax, she simply didn't need to say that.
It's just one policy drop after another - none of this has to do with Abbott or the Coalition.

All Abbott has to do is shut up, say nothing and just watch the other side fold internally.
All that yesterday had nothing to do with him at all, they are collapsing within.

Problem is, this is a party actually supposed to be leading the country.

I do, however, think that at some point in the future Malcolm Turnbull will be the Prime Minister - and Australia will be the better for it.

Good post, Andrei, you make a lot of sense.

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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: Thanks Labor for Tony Reply #19 - Mar 22^nd, 2013 at 11:04am Turnbull will have his day but it will be later rather than sooner.
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Re: Thanks Labor for Tony
Reply #20 - Mar 22^nd, 2013 at 12:28pm

Swagman wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2013 at 10:00am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2013 at 8:48am:

I am no supporter or fan of the Labor Party or Julia Gillard, I think my record on here backs that one up.

But I will add that Tony Abbott has done precious little to cause any of this popularity fall himself.

I don't think Abbott will be a good PM. I think he's a good attack-dog Minister (which is just what Howard used him for) and he can hammer guys in parliament but I don't see him as a leader.

Labor is on 29-31.
I think this is in spite of Abbott not because of it.

Honestly, I think if the Liberals were currently led by Turnbull, Labor would be on 21-23 primary vote.

Gillard, Rudd, Swan, Emerson etc etc - the list is endless.
Making a policy, being cast-iron on it, then dropping it a year later as if they had never said anything about it.
Swan's surplus.
He shouldn't have committed to one, he didn't need to. But he did, then he drops it.
Gillard didn't need to say no carbon tax, she simply didn't need to say that.
It's just one policy drop after another - none of this has to do with Abbott or the Coalition.

All Abbott has to do is shut up, say nothing and just watch the other side fold internally.
All that yesterday had nothing to do with him at all, they are collapsing within.

Problem is, this is a party actually supposed to be leading the country.

I do, however, think that at some point in the future Malcolm Turnbull will be the Prime Minister - and Australia will be the better for it.

I have to disagree.

When Nelson & Turnbull were Leaders of the Libs the Coalition's polls were at record lows and Rudd Labor were in record highs.

Nelson & Turnbull did not offer a political alternative. They were weak and they failed in making in-roads into Labor's popularity.

I admit that I was apprehensive when Abbott was elected leader but he almost got the Coalition over the line in 2010 and but for a couple of turn coat Independents he would have done the near impossible and defeated a first term Govt which enjoyed record popularity.

So what if he's been negative? In opposition you oppose. Abbott gave the Coalition a weapon (get rid of the unmandated carbon tax) to beat Labor up and that's what he has achieved.

Abbott gave the Coalition a weapon (get rid of the unmandated carbon tax)

He Blocked the ETS when there was a clear mandate for it.

couple of turn coat Independents

Independants are put in place to make independant decisions - They understood the danger that Abbott is to Australia and made the only responsible decision.

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corporate_whitey Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 8896 Archivist	Re: Thanks Labor for Tony Reply #21 - Mar 22^nd, 2013 at 12:54pm Tony Abbott needs to renounce Government Atheism and his bad attitude towards entitlements to Asylum seekers, low paid workers, pensioners and the poor.. .
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FriYAY Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7395	Re: Thanks Labor for Tony Reply #22 - Mar 22^nd, 2013 at 1:15pm corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2013 at 12:54pm: Tony Abbott needs to renounce Government Atheism and his bad attitude towards entitlements to Asylum seekers, low paid workers, pensioners and the poor.. . Get on the treadmill pie boy, you're going to hell.
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Re: Thanks Labor for Tony
Reply #23 - Mar 22^nd, 2013 at 1:20pm

FriYAY wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2013 at 1:15pm:

corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2013 at 12:54pm:

Tony Abbott needs to renounce Government Atheism and his bad attitude towards entitlements to Asylum seekers, low paid workers, pensioners and the poor.. Cool

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Get on the treadmill pie boy, you're going to hell.

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Thats what the Atheists said to Jesus because they thought he was too ugly....The state Atheists have a sacred responsibility to the entitlements, safety and security of the poor... Cool

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Reply #24 - Mar 22^nd, 2013 at 1:22pm

corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2013 at 1:20pm:

FriYAY wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2013 at 1:15pm:

corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2013 at 12:54pm:

Tony Abbott needs to renounce Government Atheism and his bad attitude towards entitlements to Asylum seekers, low paid workers, pensioners and the poor.. Cool

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Get on the treadmill pie boy, you're going to hell.

Grin

Thats what the Atheists said to Jesus because they thought he was too ugly....The state Atheists have a sacred responsibility to the entitlements, safety and security of the poor... Cool

And god hates fat lazy people....

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