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Re: Why is Rudd hated?
Reply #60 - Mar 25^th, 2013 at 12:10pm

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 25^th, 2013 at 10:35am:

Dnarever wrote on Mar 25^th, 2013 at 8:04am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 5:20pm:

Peter Freedman wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 1:47pm:

Rudd simply didn't have the qualities to be an effective leader.

Neither does Tony Abbott.

given that he has been the most effective opposition LEADER in history, that claim looks rather silly.

Most effective in the polls based on 100% negativity but in reality probably the worst opposition leader ever in every regard based on substance where the problem is that he has none.

the role of opposition leader is to oppose the govt of the day and force better policy and behaviour. What seems to rankle you is that he has done exactly that with more effectiveness than any opposition leader before him. Can you think of an opposition leader that took his party from well behind to well in front? Rudd didnt? Howard was already behind. Howard didnt, Keating was already behind. Hawke didnt either although he was in the job literally and hour before the election was called. Fraser was probably the last opposition leader to actually change the course of power. and then there is abbot. from 16% behind to 12% in front. BEST PERFORMANCE EVER.

Good comment and that is why the Labor retards keep chanting about Abbott and thrusting carbon-tax- Turnbull to the front.

Turnbull would have been good except for some mistakes the biggest of which was siding with Labor over this fraudulent tax.

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Re: Why is Rudd hated?
Reply #61 - Mar 25^th, 2013 at 1:48pm

Maqqa wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 5:43pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 4:36pm:

Maqqa wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2013 at 10:52pm:

Yesterday - despite urgings from people who voted against him previously Rudd selfishly sacrificed them

After the FIRST spill ( ... and BIG LOSS) he made an UNEQUIVICAL commitment NOT to challenge Gillard again - for the life of the Parliament

How many languages did he need to SAY it in ?

There never WAS a Rudd/Crean ticket
Only Crean knew what Crean was thinking

But I THINK he may have sacrificed his cabinet post to end the
MEDIA HYSTERIA
- once and for all - for what he thought was for "the good of the party"

Go back to what he said before the ballot on Thursday

Then compare it to what you said above

Maqqa wrote on Mar 25^th, 2013 at 10:10am:

http://au.news.yahoo.com/election/a/-/article/16437095/crean-missed-crucial-rudd...

Former cabinet minister Simon Crean, whose press conference set off Labor’s bungled leadership spill last Thursday, admits he missed a text message from former Prime Minister Kevin Rudd which could have avoided the whole ordeal.

Speaking to Alan Jones on 2GB this morning, Mr Crean admitted he didn't see a text message from Mr Rudd which urged Mr Crean to hold off on any move against the PM.

"Gidday Simon. I'm told you saw the PM last night. If that's so and if it in anyway touches the leadership, and if you are making any public comments, please give me a call beforehand.

My position is as before.

All the best. Kevin," the text read.

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FriYAY Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7395	Re: Why is Rudd hated? Reply #62 - Mar 25^th, 2013 at 2:00pm If you don’t think Rudd was still counting the numbers then your brains are in your arse. They were trying to get Gillard to jump – no need to challenge then….
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Re: Why is Rudd hated?
Reply #63 - Mar 25^th, 2013 at 3:54pm

Dnarever wrote on Mar 25^th, 2013 at 11:40am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 25^th, 2013 at 10:35am:

Dnarever wrote on Mar 25^th, 2013 at 8:04am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 5:20pm:

Peter Freedman wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 1:47pm:

Rudd simply didn't have the qualities to be an effective leader.

Neither does Tony Abbott.

given that he has been the most effective opposition LEADER in history, that claim looks rather silly.

Most effective in the polls based on 100% negativity but in reality probably the worst opposition leader ever in every regard based on substance where the problem is that he has none.

the role of opposition leader is to oppose the govt of the day and force better policy and behaviour. What seems to rankle you is that he has done exactly that with more effectiveness than any opposition leader before him. Can you think of an opposition leader that took his party from well behind to well in front? Rudd didnt? Howard was already behind. Howard didnt, Keating was already behind. Hawke didnt either although he was in the job literally and hour before the election was called. Fraser was probably the last opposition leader to actually change the course of power. and then there is abbot. from 16% behind to 12% in front. BEST PERFORMANCE EVER.

So you agree he has no substance. You are still fixated on polls and negativity.

the role of opposition leader is to oppose

It was his best skill even when in government - he was the attack dog, His biggest achievment while in government was to put down One Nation.

Abbott is clearly a one trick pony and you can't teach an old attack dog new tricks.

you might understand the argument if you EVER had a labor opposition leader last long enough to be effective. The ones you have had that won govt were in the job less than a year and in one case, less than an hour. the rest were abject failures.

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Re: Why is Rudd hated?
Reply #64 - Mar 25^th, 2013 at 5:32pm

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 25^th, 2013 at 8:00am:

Rudds lead was unassailable until Abbott came along. you can argue the reasons all you like but it remains true that rudds slide and demise happened only when Abbott came along.

That doesn't mean Abbott was solely responsible for Rudd's demise. Rudd's popularity fell as a result of him giving up on the emissions trading scheme. This was what caused his popularity to fall, not Tony Abbott.

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Re: Why is Rudd hated?
Reply #65 - Mar 25^th, 2013 at 7:00pm

Dnarever wrote on Mar 25^th, 2013 at 11:50am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 25^th, 2013 at 11:43am:

Dnarever wrote on Mar 25^th, 2013 at 11:42am:

Re: Why is Rudd hated?

I see him a lot like Abbott - there are plenty of good people who would make a terrible PM these are just two of them.

Gough Whitlam also springs to mind.

Silly comment - Gough was a reformer - he achieved a lot in a short space of time, one of the very best leaders we had, his big problem was that his team let him down and his mistake was to allow the Fraser opposition to bully the government.

Couldn't agree more.

Getting rid of the Whitlam govt REEKED of 'cutting off your nose to
spite your face' and the 'cure' was much worse than the disease.

The whole thing was driven by deliberately misrepresenting the true
facts, much as the current Con-alition is doing. The talking-down of
a (good) economy, deliberately but falsely maligning govt ministers
and blatantly marginalising and demonising those on welfare. This
was the genesis of the 'dole bludger' lie.

It all seems so depressingly familiar, a sense of deja vu is in the air.

So, having learned NOTHING in the intervening 38 years, a deliberately
misinformed electorate is planning to make EXACTLY the same mistake
in September that it made 38 years ago.

I'm finding it very hard to have any sympathy for the electorate, for it
will once again have failed to see the truth behind the Con-alition lies
and a deceitful, manipulative, bought-and-paid-for media.

It will richly deserve everything it gets (except the inevitable vote-
buying wealthfare bribes).

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Re: Why is Rudd hated?
Reply #66 - Mar 25^th, 2013 at 7:05pm

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 25^th, 2013 at 3:54pm:

Dnarever wrote on Mar 25^th, 2013 at 11:40am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 25^th, 2013 at 10:35am:

Dnarever wrote on Mar 25^th, 2013 at 8:04am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 5:20pm:

Peter Freedman wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 1:47pm:

Rudd simply didn't have the qualities to be an effective leader.

Neither does Tony Abbott.

given that he has been the most effective opposition LEADER in history, that claim looks rather silly.

Most effective in the polls based on 100% negativity but in reality probably the worst opposition leader ever in every regard based on substance where the problem is that he has none.

the role of opposition leader is to oppose the govt of the day and force better policy and behaviour. What seems to rankle you is that he has done exactly that with more effectiveness than any opposition leader before him. Can you think of an opposition leader that took his party from well behind to well in front? Rudd didnt? Howard was already behind. Howard didnt, Keating was already behind. Hawke didnt either although he was in the job literally and hour before the election was called. Fraser was probably the last opposition leader to actually change the course of power. and then there is abbot. from 16% behind to 12% in front. BEST PERFORMANCE EVER.

So you agree he has no substance. You are still fixated on polls and negativity.

the role of opposition leader is to oppose

It was his best skill even when in government - he was the attack dog, His biggest achievment while in government was to put down One Nation.

Abbott is clearly a one trick pony and you can't teach an old attack dog new tricks.

you might understand the argument if you EVER had a labor opposition leader last long enough to be effective. The ones you have had that won govt were in the job less than a year and in one case, less than an hour. the rest were abject failures.

you might understand the argument if you EVER had a labor opposition leader last long enough to be effective.

You do understand that in the Last two terms that Labor has had 2 leaders, in the same time frame the Liberals have had 3 leaders.

You seem to enjoy shooting yourself in the foot - you could be a Liberal party leader.

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Re: Why is Rudd hated?
Reply #67 - Mar 25^th, 2013 at 11:06pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 25^th, 2013 at 7:01am:

Peter Freedman wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 1:47pm:

Rudd simply didn't have the qualities to be an effective leader.

Neither does Tony Abbott.

You sure? He's leading the Coalition very effectively. He destroyed Rudd and is about to do the same not only just to Gillard but Labor as a whole.

So you want a Prime Minister who destroys people?

What a strange outlook.

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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 59378 Here Gender:	Re: Why is Rudd hated? Reply #68 - Mar 25^th, 2013 at 11:49pm Why is Rudd hated? Who hates Rudd???? I would think that if you hate everyone you do not want for PM then there are about 22 Million of us to hate.
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Re: Why is Rudd hated?
Reply #69 - Mar 26^th, 2013 at 8:10am

Mnemonic wrote on Mar 25^th, 2013 at 5:32pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 25^th, 2013 at 8:00am:

Rudds lead was unassailable until Abbott came along. you can argue the reasons all you like but it remains true that rudds slide and demise happened only when Abbott came along.

That doesn't mean Abbott was solely responsible for Rudd's demise. Rudd's popularity fell as a result of him giving up on the emissions trading scheme. This was what caused his popularity to fall, not Tony Abbott.

seems a bit simplistic. if it was the ETS that caused his demise then Abbotts total opposition to an ETS shoudl ahve harmed his chances. Instead, he zoomed ahead in the polls.

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Re: Why is Rudd hated?
Reply #70 - Mar 26^th, 2013 at 8:11am

Kat wrote on Mar 25^th, 2013 at 7:00pm:

Dnarever wrote on Mar 25^th, 2013 at 11:50am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 25^th, 2013 at 11:43am:

Dnarever wrote on Mar 25^th, 2013 at 11:42am:

Re: Why is Rudd hated?

I see him a lot like Abbott - there are plenty of good people who would make a terrible PM these are just two of them.

Gough Whitlam also springs to mind.

Silly comment - Gough was a reformer - he achieved a lot in a short space of time, one of the very best leaders we had, his big problem was that his team let him down and his mistake was to allow the Fraser opposition to bully the government.

Couldn't agree more.

Getting rid of the Whitlam govt REEKED of 'cutting off your nose to
spite your face' and the 'cure' was much worse than the disease.

The whole thing was driven by deliberately misrepresenting the true
facts, much as the current Con-alition is doing. The talking-down of
a (good) economy, deliberately but falsely maligning govt ministers
and blatantly marginalising and demonising those on welfare. This
was the genesis of the 'dole bludger' lie.

It all seems so depressingly familiar, a sense of deja vu is in the air.

So, having learned NOTHING in the intervening 38 years, a deliberately
misinformed electorate is planning to make EXACTLY the same mistake
in September that it made 38 years ago.

I'm finding it very hard to have any sympathy for the electorate, for it
will once again have failed to see the truth behind the Con-alition lies
and a deceitful, manipulative, bought-and-paid-for media.

It will richly deserve everything it gets (except the inevitable vote-
buying wealthfare bribes).

wow... supporting Whitlam and describing it as a great govt. Is there any better way to shred your credibility?

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Re: Why is Rudd hated?
Reply #71 - Mar 26^th, 2013 at 8:12am

Dnarever wrote on Mar 25^th, 2013 at 7:05pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 25^th, 2013 at 3:54pm:

Dnarever wrote on Mar 25^th, 2013 at 11:40am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 25^th, 2013 at 10:35am:

Dnarever wrote on Mar 25^th, 2013 at 8:04am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 5:20pm:

Peter Freedman wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 1:47pm:

Rudd simply didn't have the qualities to be an effective leader.

Neither does Tony Abbott.

given that he has been the most effective opposition LEADER in history, that claim looks rather silly.

Most effective in the polls based on 100% negativity but in reality probably the worst opposition leader ever in every regard based on substance where the problem is that he has none.

the role of opposition leader is to oppose the govt of the day and force better policy and behaviour. What seems to rankle you is that he has done exactly that with more effectiveness than any opposition leader before him. Can you think of an opposition leader that took his party from well behind to well in front? Rudd didnt? Howard was already behind. Howard didnt, Keating was already behind. Hawke didnt either although he was in the job literally and hour before the election was called. Fraser was probably the last opposition leader to actually change the course of power. and then there is abbot. from 16% behind to 12% in front. BEST PERFORMANCE EVER.

So you agree he has no substance. You are still fixated on polls and negativity.

the role of opposition leader is to oppose

It was his best skill even when in government - he was the attack dog, His biggest achievment while in government was to put down One Nation.

Abbott is clearly a one trick pony and you can't teach an old attack dog new tricks.

you might understand the argument if you EVER had a labor opposition leader last long enough to be effective. The ones you have had that won govt were in the job less than a year and in one case, less than an hour. the rest were abject failures.

you might understand the argument if you EVER had a labor opposition leader last long enough to be effective.

You do understand that in the Last two terms that Labor has had 2 leaders, in the same time frame the Liberals have had 3 leaders.

You seem to enjoy shooting yourself in the foot - you could be a Liberal party leader.

try reading the highlighted bit again and ask yourself just how you managed to miss the point so badly.

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Re: Why is Rudd hated?
Reply #73 - Mar 26^th, 2013 at 8:34am

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 26^th, 2013 at 8:11am:

Kat wrote on Mar 25^th, 2013 at 7:00pm:

Dnarever wrote on Mar 25^th, 2013 at 11:50am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 25^th, 2013 at 11:43am:

Dnarever wrote on Mar 25^th, 2013 at 11:42am:

Re: Why is Rudd hated?

I see him a lot like Abbott - there are plenty of good people who would make a terrible PM these are just two of them.

Gough Whitlam also springs to mind.

Silly comment - Gough was a reformer - he achieved a lot in a short space of time, one of the very best leaders we had, his big problem was that his team let him down and his mistake was to allow the Fraser opposition to bully the government.

Couldn't agree more.

Getting rid of the Whitlam govt REEKED of 'cutting off your nose to
spite your face' and the 'cure' was much worse than the disease.

The whole thing was driven by deliberately misrepresenting the true
facts, much as the current Con-alition is doing. The talking-down of
a (good) economy, deliberately but falsely maligning govt ministers
and blatantly marginalising and demonising those on welfare. This
was the genesis of the 'dole bludger' lie.

It all seems so depressingly familiar, a sense of deja vu is in the air.

So, having learned NOTHING in the intervening 38 years, a deliberately
misinformed electorate is planning to make EXACTLY the same mistake
in September that it made 38 years ago.

I'm finding it very hard to have any sympathy for the electorate, for it
will once again have failed to see the truth behind the Con-alition lies
and a deceitful, manipulative, bought-and-paid-for media.

It will richly deserve everything it gets (except the inevitable vote-
buying wealthfare bribes).

wow... supporting Whitlam and describing it as a great govt. Is there any better way to shred your credibility?

Why am i not surprised you cant think of anything good he did?

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Re: Why is Rudd hated?
Reply #74 - Mar 26^th, 2013 at 8:51am

Kevin Rudd tries and until recently when his mask has slipped (and his halo) to be a smiling pleasant man who can get on with just about everyone.

The truth is when he went on angels' wings to the Prime Minister ship his truth self came out.

Rudd is a serial micro manager who doesn't trust anyone to do their job properly, as a result of this he 'ran' every department in the Government....the result one unholy mess.

Also Rudd is a foul mouthed individual who has the capacity to make a sailor blush. He is a tyrant and gives everyone around him a really hard time.

Remember the plane incident, where he walked with spiked shoes over a hapless hostess over what meals were available, just a small example.

He is a prick first class and many pollies have said they would rather lose Government than serve under him again.

The little megalomaniac didn't even have the guts to stand and allowed his colleagues, good men all, to fall on their swords.

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