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Re: The new country of whingers?
Reply #45 - Mar 25^th, 2013 at 10:56am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 25^th, 2013 at 8:28am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 25^th, 2013 at 8:11am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 25^th, 2013 at 6:08am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 11:48am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 10:48am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 9:48am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 7:32am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 6:35am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 5:52am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 4:46pm:

I am pointing out to you a little background on the publisher.

The Guardian hates market capitalism, believes in nationalisation and high socialist benefits.
Hence the bias and attack on the austerity measures and cuts on welfare we are doing in Europe that you see in your article.

When The Times, Daily Mail or Telegraph start to write such pieces then I know you have a point.

I don't agree with the article. It paints Australia in a much better light than it is (a too high dollar by the way is not good for you) and the UK public wouldn't know how incorrect it is.

That is called ad-hominem. Attacking the source instead of the actual argument.

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ad hominem is attacking a PERSON you uneducated twit, not an object

The source not an object. The source is the guardian.

SOB

Someone didn't do Latin at school.
Ad hominem is formed from the accusative tense of "homo" meaning man in Latin.
Argumentum ad hominem is "to the man or person" and cannot be applied to an object.

Had I specifically attacked the author or columnist then you can apply it.
However my comment related to The Guardian which has no gender and is not a man.

British private school educations.
Load of rubbish eh? Wink

What? Who cares. Why would i do latin?

SOB

To prevent making an arse of yourself when you try and use it?

I speak english not latin. Go to a latin forum to blah on.

SOB

then dont use it since you dont understand it. That is the point of explaining to you your misuse of a LATIN TERM.

I didnt misuse it - its your favourite thing to do in this forum.

SOB

You did you idiot.
If you didn't study Latin and have no idea how it used - then the best bet is not to use it.

It was completely and totally mis-used - but given you don't understand what you write this is not surprising.

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Re: The new country of whingers?
Reply #46 - Mar 25^th, 2013 at 10:58am

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Mar 25^th, 2013 at 8:13am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 5:26pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 2:58pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 7:07pm:

so laborites, explain for us the reason for Howard being dumped in 2007? the economy was in vaslty better shape by virtually every measure. Only inflation was a problem and THAT was only because inflation is always a problem in a booming economy. We have low inflation now because we have no boom.

so if it is a country of whingers now then it must have been a far worse mob of whingers in 2007 that got rid of a govt when we were in far better shape. correct?

Unfortunately one can't predict what may have happened if Howard was leading us through the GFC. I can't write up what didn't happen for you. BUt what I can say is you're trying to put together a history comparing the state of the economy during completely different times. The point we are talking is about, based on the state of global problems, which Australia has weathered incredibly well in comparison to others, why are we whining about such issues as a $10 carbon tax, which we've been subsidised for, and asylum seekers? It's completely deluded.

Howard and Rudd had a well fought competition. Howard lost because he became overly arrogant. But at the time no one was arguing that "look at how bad we've got it." He was removed because it was time and people asked for a change. The conditions right now are COMPLETELY different where we've actually got people whining about the situation of the economy? WHEN ALL OF EUROPE IS F***KED? WE ARE ARGUING ABOUT ASYLUM SEEKERS? ARE WE FOR FU**EN REAL???????? Point is, the current climate in Australia is not as bad as what is made out, and if we truly believe we are on the cusp of the likes of Greece then we need a big cold shower. And if we truly believe that 34,000 people, in a scope of 42 million +, are coming to take over our lives, then we don't only need a cold shower but a dive in an ice bath.

maybe we dont like being lied to, cheated and stolen from. and it doesnt matter if you are a billionaire or down to your last dollar - no one likes being cheated and gillard and co have done exactly that.

Who cheated you out of what? $10? You got the tax break, so get over it. You're basically proving the opinion right.

As for lying, these types of standards you try to represent would be admirable, if you ACTUALLY held to them.

the carbon tax CHEATS people. if not from money it cheats them of respect. The ugliest thing by far about the carbon tax is not whether or not it exists but the illegitimacy of the process to implement one. what annoys people more than anything is the fact that THEY CHOSE not to have a carbon tax and without any consultation, without any apology one was implemented anyhow. People do not like cheats and liars anc Gillard comes across as one.

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Re: The new country of whingers?
Reply #47 - Mar 25^th, 2013 at 1:41pm

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 25^th, 2013 at 10:58am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Mar 25^th, 2013 at 8:13am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 5:26pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 2:58pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 7:07pm:

so laborites, explain for us the reason for Howard being dumped in 2007? the economy was in vaslty better shape by virtually every measure. Only inflation was a problem and THAT was only because inflation is always a problem in a booming economy. We have low inflation now because we have no boom.

so if it is a country of whingers now then it must have been a far worse mob of whingers in 2007 that got rid of a govt when we were in far better shape. correct?

Unfortunately one can't predict what may have happened if Howard was leading us through the GFC. I can't write up what didn't happen for you. BUt what I can say is you're trying to put together a history comparing the state of the economy during completely different times. The point we are talking is about, based on the state of global problems, which Australia has weathered incredibly well in comparison to others, why are we whining about such issues as a $10 carbon tax, which we've been subsidised for, and asylum seekers? It's completely deluded.

Howard and Rudd had a well fought competition. Howard lost because he became overly arrogant. But at the time no one was arguing that "look at how bad we've got it." He was removed because it was time and people asked for a change. The conditions right now are COMPLETELY different where we've actually got people whining about the situation of the economy? WHEN ALL OF EUROPE IS F***KED? WE ARE ARGUING ABOUT ASYLUM SEEKERS? ARE WE FOR FU**EN REAL???????? Point is, the current climate in Australia is not as bad as what is made out, and if we truly believe we are on the cusp of the likes of Greece then we need a big cold shower. And if we truly believe that 34,000 people, in a scope of 42 million +, are coming to take over our lives, then we don't only need a cold shower but a dive in an ice bath.

maybe we dont like being lied to, cheated and stolen from. and it doesnt matter if you are a billionaire or down to your last dollar - no one likes being cheated and gillard and co have done exactly that.

Who cheated you out of what? $10? You got the tax break, so get over it. You're basically proving the opinion right.

As for lying, these types of standards you try to represent would be admirable, if you ACTUALLY held to them.

the carbon tax CHEATS people. if not from money it cheats them of respect. The ugliest thing by far about the carbon tax is not whether or not it exists but the illegitimacy of the process to implement one. what annoys people more than anything is the fact that THEY CHOSE not to have a carbon tax and without any consultation, without any apology one was implemented anyhow. People do not like cheats and liars anc Gillard comes across as one.

They chose not to have a carbon tax? And yet they chose to have a price on carbon, twice. So again, thanks for proving the original post and for showing that your hatred for "cheats and liars" only stems as far as the Labor Party, but when Tony cheats the people out of a carbon price that passed the "mandate" TWICE, that's okay.

It's nothing more than a whine for the sake of a whine.

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Re: The new country of whingers?
Reply #48 - Mar 25^th, 2013 at 4:03pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Mar 25^th, 2013 at 1:41pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 25^th, 2013 at 10:58am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Mar 25^th, 2013 at 8:13am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 5:26pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 2:58pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 7:07pm:

so laborites, explain for us the reason for Howard being dumped in 2007? the economy was in vaslty better shape by virtually every measure. Only inflation was a problem and THAT was only because inflation is always a problem in a booming economy. We have low inflation now because we have no boom.

so if it is a country of whingers now then it must have been a far worse mob of whingers in 2007 that got rid of a govt when we were in far better shape. correct?

Unfortunately one can't predict what may have happened if Howard was leading us through the GFC. I can't write up what didn't happen for you. BUt what I can say is you're trying to put together a history comparing the state of the economy during completely different times. The point we are talking is about, based on the state of global problems, which Australia has weathered incredibly well in comparison to others, why are we whining about such issues as a $10 carbon tax, which we've been subsidised for, and asylum seekers? It's completely deluded.

Howard and Rudd had a well fought competition. Howard lost because he became overly arrogant. But at the time no one was arguing that "look at how bad we've got it." He was removed because it was time and people asked for a change. The conditions right now are COMPLETELY different where we've actually got people whining about the situation of the economy? WHEN ALL OF EUROPE IS F***KED? WE ARE ARGUING ABOUT ASYLUM SEEKERS? ARE WE FOR FU**EN REAL???????? Point is, the current climate in Australia is not as bad as what is made out, and if we truly believe we are on the cusp of the likes of Greece then we need a big cold shower. And if we truly believe that 34,000 people, in a scope of 42 million +, are coming to take over our lives, then we don't only need a cold shower but a dive in an ice bath.

maybe we dont like being lied to, cheated and stolen from. and it doesnt matter if you are a billionaire or down to your last dollar - no one likes being cheated and gillard and co have done exactly that.

Who cheated you out of what? $10? You got the tax break, so get over it. You're basically proving the opinion right.

As for lying, these types of standards you try to represent would be admirable, if you ACTUALLY held to them.

the carbon tax CHEATS people. if not from money it cheats them of respect. The ugliest thing by far about the carbon tax is not whether or not it exists but the illegitimacy of the process to implement one. what annoys people more than anything is the fact that THEY CHOSE not to have a carbon tax and without any consultation, without any apology one was implemented anyhow. People do not like cheats and liars anc Gillard comes across as one.

They chose not to have a carbon tax? And yet they chose to have a price on carbon, twice. So again, thanks for proving the original post and for showing that your hatred for "cheats and liars" only stems as far as the Labor Party, but when Tony cheats the people out of a carbon price that passed the "mandate" TWICE, that's okay.

It's nothing more than a whine for the sake of a whine.

im a bit confused about where you think the ALP had TWO mandates for a carbon tax? 2007? arguable but 2010???? and election where they got less votes and didnt even score a majority? you can argue many things but there was no mandate for anything in 2010.

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Re: The new country of whingers?
Reply #49 - Mar 25^th, 2013 at 5:00pm

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 25^th, 2013 at 4:03pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Mar 25^th, 2013 at 1:41pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 25^th, 2013 at 10:58am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Mar 25^th, 2013 at 8:13am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 5:26pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 2:58pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 7:07pm:

so laborites, explain for us the reason for Howard being dumped in 2007? the economy was in vaslty better shape by virtually every measure. Only inflation was a problem and THAT was only because inflation is always a problem in a booming economy. We have low inflation now because we have no boom.

so if it is a country of whingers now then it must have been a far worse mob of whingers in 2007 that got rid of a govt when we were in far better shape. correct?

Unfortunately one can't predict what may have happened if Howard was leading us through the GFC. I can't write up what didn't happen for you. BUt what I can say is you're trying to put together a history comparing the state of the economy during completely different times. The point we are talking is about, based on the state of global problems, which Australia has weathered incredibly well in comparison to others, why are we whining about such issues as a $10 carbon tax, which we've been subsidised for, and asylum seekers? It's completely deluded.

Howard and Rudd had a well fought competition. Howard lost because he became overly arrogant. But at the time no one was arguing that "look at how bad we've got it." He was removed because it was time and people asked for a change. The conditions right now are COMPLETELY different where we've actually got people whining about the situation of the economy? WHEN ALL OF EUROPE IS F***KED? WE ARE ARGUING ABOUT ASYLUM SEEKERS? ARE WE FOR FU**EN REAL???????? Point is, the current climate in Australia is not as bad as what is made out, and if we truly believe we are on the cusp of the likes of Greece then we need a big cold shower. And if we truly believe that 34,000 people, in a scope of 42 million +, are coming to take over our lives, then we don't only need a cold shower but a dive in an ice bath.

maybe we dont like being lied to, cheated and stolen from. and it doesnt matter if you are a billionaire or down to your last dollar - no one likes being cheated and gillard and co have done exactly that.

Who cheated you out of what? $10? You got the tax break, so get over it. You're basically proving the opinion right.

As for lying, these types of standards you try to represent would be admirable, if you ACTUALLY held to them.

the carbon tax CHEATS people. if not from money it cheats them of respect. The ugliest thing by far about the carbon tax is not whether or not it exists but the illegitimacy of the process to implement one. what annoys people more than anything is the fact that THEY CHOSE not to have a carbon tax and without any consultation, without any apology one was implemented anyhow. People do not like cheats and liars anc Gillard comes across as one.

They chose not to have a carbon tax? And yet they chose to have a price on carbon, twice. So again, thanks for proving the original post and for showing that your hatred for "cheats and liars" only stems as far as the Labor Party, but when Tony cheats the people out of a carbon price that passed the "mandate" TWICE, that's okay.

It's nothing more than a whine for the sake of a whine.

im a bit confused about where you think the ALP had TWO mandates for a carbon tax? 2007? arguable but 2010???? and election where they got less votes and didnt even score a majority? you can argue many things but there was no mandate for anything in 2010.

The usual lie. Let's not rehash old ground that has been argued to death. Point remains that it appears you will argue anything that suits your view, which is exactly spoken about within the opinion piece, and you're demonstrating it over and over.

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Re: The new country of whingers?
Reply #50 - Mar 26^th, 2013 at 8:18am

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Mar 25^th, 2013 at 5:00pm: