Australian Politics Forum - Australia’s new dawn?

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Re: Australia’s new dawn?
Reply #16 - Mar 24^th, 2013 at 6:52pm

John S wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 7:45am:

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WHATEVER HAPPENED in the halls of Canberra last week, whether by chance or by careful planning, it opened the door for Julia Gillard to convert the Australia Labor Party into a new and modernised political party of her own creation.

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http://www.independentaustralia.net/2013/politics/australias-new-dawn/

Didn't Gillard say during the last election campaign that the real Juliar would emerge? Are we seeing another Juliar? Just how many Juliar's are there? Do you actually believe she welcomes upheaval and instability within the ALP ranks? When is the next episode due?

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Re: Australia’s new dawn?
Reply #17 - Mar 24^th, 2013 at 7:08pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 10:41am:

MOTR wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 10:26am:

And many are learning first hand the costs that come with a LNP government.

My experience has always been good.
It was Coalition that gave me $5k baby bonus that Labor took away.
It was Coalition that gave me 30% health insurance rebate that Labor took away.
It was Coalition that gave me first home grant that Labor thought should see me means tested out of it.
It was Labor that gave me $3 in tax cuts and a carbon tax cost of living increase 300 times that.

So MOTR I'd love you to tell me why Labor always takes from me and why that would earn my vote ??

Andrei claims to live in "kal-ee-for-nya, wherever the bugger that is. So how come he is paying the carbon tax?

Or could it be Mr Hicks is not being entirely truthful?

Perish the thought..

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Re: Australia’s new dawn?
Reply #18 - Mar 24^th, 2013 at 10:42pm

John S wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 7:45am:

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WHATEVER HAPPENED in the halls of Canberra last week, whether by chance or by careful planning, it opened the door for Julia Gillard to convert the Australia Labor Party into a new and modernised political party of her own creation.

Last week, she either fell into a trap set by others and crushed them ‒ not exactly brutally but not sweetly either ‒ or it was a composite chain of events that gave her an opportunity rarely offered to a political leader. Either way, she has demonstrated her strength as a woman and a leader.

Those events have set both the Labor Party and the Australian nation onto a new path. Like New Labor, that gave Britain’s Tony Blair the opportunity to wash his country clean of the stifling High Tory Thatcher regime, Prime Minister Gillard now has her own opportunity to sweep nasty Small Tory Howardism into the dustpan of our history.

Behind this not so distant past always lurks the grubby shadow of Keith Rupert Murdoch, the newspaper magnate whose unfettered super ego placed his shadowy figure in a scenario that corrupted both nations.

His United States invasion, dominating everything else in his dark mind, became a significant force in the Reagan-Bush years. He was able to use his influence in Britain and Australia to drag the country of his birth into unwinnable, wasteful, senseless, homicidal wars that brought worldwide economic and political disaster in the last months of the 20th century and the early years of the 21st.

Blair, Howard and Bush all fell from power and now Murdoch is trying again — a last fling in the evening of his life. He had Kevin Rudd in his clutch — and when Rudd lost power, he appropriated the insipid, obsequious Tony Abbott on the other side of politics instead.

There is not the slightest chance that he will ever gain any influence at all over Julia Gillard. Australia has an intellectually sharp and agile leader now who will remain untainted by the Murdoch influence. She is a woman who knows her own mind. She has the opportunity to build the Party into a new force, with new blood in its veins and new talent in its ministerial front bench.

Soon, the country must shed its last remaining faith in the fraudulent behaviour of the old media ‒ that once dominated our lives ‒ and, from the new media, become fully aware of her abilities

If we do, 14 September 2013, will herald a new beginning in the history of Australia.

http://www.independentaustralia.net/2013/politics/australias-new-dawn/

An intriguing spin on it, but the writer fails to explain why they think it's a new opportunity, or what they think gillard should do next. Without that it's nothin more than a nice spin on what really was a dreadfull turn of events for the ALP, and has ultimately guaranteed 3 years of mere crap of a tony government.

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Re: Australia’s new dawn?
Reply #19 - Mar 24^th, 2013 at 11:02pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 10:41am:

MOTR wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 10:26am:

And many are learning first hand the costs that come with a LNP government.

My experience has always been good.
It was Coalition that gave me $5k baby bonus that Labor took away.

As they should have, the BB should be means-tested.

It was Coalition that gave me 30% health insurance rebate that Labor took away.

Yes, it should always have been means-tested.

It was Coalition that gave me first home grant that Labor thought should see me means tested out of it.

Yes, that's only reasonable if you're a high-income-earner.

It was Labor that gave me $3 in tax cuts and a carbon tax cost of living increase 300 times that.

Only in your mind, not in real life..

So MOTR I'd love you to tell me why Labor always takes from me and why that would earn my vote ??

They take from the majority, not just you, and not just Labor.

It's called TAX, and without it, you mob wouldn't ever pay your
fair share. You seem to think that the majority OWE you their
tax money, but God forbid that YOU should have to contribute.

The only time you lot ever put any serious effort into anything
is when you're working out ways to avoid paying tax while at
the same time wanting to grab the lion's share of any tax breaks
or wealthfare that happens to be going, and all the while blaming
the poor for BEING poor, and begrudging them what little they do
manage to earn or otherwise scrape by on.

It's not the pollies, the public servants or the welfare recips who
are the true bots on society OR the biggest gluttons on the gravy
train.

It's you mob.

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Re: Australia’s new dawn?
Reply #20 - Mar 25^th, 2013 at 6:00am

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 5:22pm:

PZ547 wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 4:10pm:

John S wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 7:45am:

Quote:

WHATEVER HAPPENED in the halls of Canberra last week, whether by chance or by careful planning, it opened the door for Julia Gillard to convert the Australia Labor Party into a new and modernised political party of her own creation.

Last week, she either fell into a trap set by others and crushed them ‒ not exactly brutally but not sweetly either ‒ or it was a composite chain of events that gave her an opportunity rarely offered to a political leader. Either way, she has demonstrated her strength as a woman and a leader.

Those events have set both the Labor Party and the Australian nation onto a new path. Like New Labor, that gave Britain’s Tony Blair the opportunity to wash his country clean of the stifling High Tory Thatcher regime, Prime Minister Gillard now has her own opportunity to sweep nasty Small Tory Howardism into the dustpan of our history.

Behind this not so distant past always lurks the grubby shadow of Keith Rupert Murdoch, the newspaper magnate whose unfettered super ego placed his shadowy figure in a scenario that corrupted both nations.

His United States invasion, dominating everything else in his dark mind, became a significant force in the Reagan-Bush years. He was able to use his influence in Britain and Australia to drag the country of his birth into unwinnable, wasteful, senseless, homicidal wars that brought worldwide economic and political disaster in the last months of the 20th century and the early years of the 21st.

Blair, Howard and Bush all fell from power and now Murdoch is trying again — a last fling in the evening of his life. He had Kevin Rudd in his clutch — and when Rudd lost power, he appropriated the insipid, obsequious Tony Abbott on the other side of politics instead.

There is not the slightest chance that he will ever gain any influence at all over Julia Gillard. Australia has an intellectually sharp and agile leader now who will remain untainted by the Murdoch influence. She is a woman who knows her own mind. She has the opportunity to build the Party into a new force, with new blood in its veins and new talent in its ministerial front bench.

Soon, the country must shed its last remaining faith in the fraudulent behaviour of the old media ‒ that once dominated our lives ‒ and, from the new media, become fully aware of her abilities

If we do, 14 September 2013, will herald a new beginning in the history of Australia.

http://www.independentaustralia.net/2013/politics/australias-new-dawn/

Lost me the moment the spectre of Tony Blair raised its foul head. And attempting to whitewash his zionist agenda finished me right off

Attempts to sound credible would do well to delete all and any reference to Blair as being a positive influence in ANYone's politics

and as soon as you used the word 'zionist' you lost me and probably most others.

Why?

SOB

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Re: Australia’s new dawn?
Reply #21 - Mar 25^th, 2013 at 8:09am

Kat wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 11:02pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 10:41am:

MOTR wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 10:26am:

And many are learning first hand the costs that come with a LNP government.

My experience has always been good.
It was Coalition that gave me $5k baby bonus that Labor took away.

As they should have, the BB should be means-tested.

It was Coalition that gave me 30% health insurance rebate that Labor took away.

Yes, it should always have been means-tested.

It was Coalition that gave me first home grant that Labor thought should see me means tested out of it.

Yes, that's only reasonable if you're a high-income-earner.

It was Labor that gave me $3 in tax cuts and a carbon tax cost of living increase 300 times that.

Only in your mind, not in real life..

So MOTR I'd love you to tell me why Labor always takes from me and why that would earn my vote ??

They take from the majority, not just you, and not just Labor.

It's called TAX, and without it, you mob wouldn't ever pay your
fair share. You seem to think that the majority OWE you their
tax money, but God forbid that YOU should have to contribute.

The only time you lot ever put any serious effort into anything
is when you're working out ways to avoid paying tax while at
the same time wanting to grab the lion's share of any tax breaks
or wealthfare that happens to be going, and all the while blaming
the poor for BEING poor, and begrudging them what little they do
manage to earn or otherwise scrape by on.

It's not the pollies, the public servants or the welfare recips who
are the true bots on society OR the biggest gluttons on the gravy
train.

It's you mob.

why is it that the biggest complainers about tax are those that pay bugger all and when their welfare is taken into account pay NOTHING?

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Re: Australia’s new dawn?
Reply #22 - Mar 25^th, 2013 at 8:10am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 25^th, 2013 at 6:00am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 5:22pm:

PZ547 wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 4:10pm:

John S wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 7:45am:

Quote:

WHATEVER HAPPENED in the halls of Canberra last week, whether by chance or by careful planning, it opened the door for Julia Gillard to convert the Australia Labor Party into a new and modernised political party of her own creation.

Last week, she either fell into a trap set by others and crushed them ‒ not exactly brutally but not sweetly either ‒ or it was a composite chain of events that gave her an opportunity rarely offered to a political leader. Either way, she has demonstrated her strength as a woman and a leader.

Those events have set both the Labor Party and the Australian nation onto a new path. Like New Labor, that gave Britain’s Tony Blair the opportunity to wash his country clean of the stifling High Tory Thatcher regime, Prime Minister Gillard now has her own opportunity to sweep nasty Small Tory Howardism into the dustpan of our history.

Behind this not so distant past always lurks the grubby shadow of Keith Rupert Murdoch, the newspaper magnate whose unfettered super ego placed his shadowy figure in a scenario that corrupted both nations.

His United States invasion, dominating everything else in his dark mind, became a significant force in the Reagan-Bush years. He was able to use his influence in Britain and Australia to drag the country of his birth into unwinnable, wasteful, senseless, homicidal wars that brought worldwide economic and political disaster in the last months of the 20th century and the early years of the 21st.

Blair, Howard and Bush all fell from power and now Murdoch is trying again — a last fling in the evening of his life. He had Kevin Rudd in his clutch — and when Rudd lost power, he appropriated the insipid, obsequious Tony Abbott on the other side of politics instead.

There is not the slightest chance that he will ever gain any influence at all over Julia Gillard. Australia has an intellectually sharp and agile leader now who will remain untainted by the Murdoch influence. She is a woman who knows her own mind. She has the opportunity to build the Party into a new force, with new blood in its veins and new talent in its ministerial front bench.

Soon, the country must shed its last remaining faith in the fraudulent behaviour of the old media ‒ that once dominated our lives ‒ and, from the new media, become fully aware of her abilities

If we do, 14 September 2013, will herald a new beginning in the history of Australia.

http://www.independentaustralia.net/2013/politics/australias-new-dawn/

Lost me the moment the spectre of Tony Blair raised its foul head. And attempting to whitewash his zionist agenda finished me right off

Attempts to sound credible would do well to delete all and any reference to Blair as being a positive influence in ANYone's politics

and as soon as you used the word 'zionist' you lost me and probably most others.

Why?

SOB

like most other concepts, it would be impossible to explain it to you.

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Re: Australia’s new dawn?
Reply #23 - Mar 25^th, 2013 at 8:12am

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 25^th, 2013 at 8:09am:

Kat wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 11:02pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 10:41am:

MOTR wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 10:26am:

And many are learning first hand the costs that come with a LNP government.

My experience has always been good.
It was Coalition that gave me $5k baby bonus that Labor took away.

As they should have, the BB should be means-tested.

It was Coalition that gave me 30% health insurance rebate that Labor took away.

Yes, it should always have been means-tested.

It was Coalition that gave me first home grant that Labor thought should see me means tested out of it.

Yes, that's only reasonable if you're a high-income-earner.

It was Labor that gave me $3 in tax cuts and a carbon tax cost of living increase 300 times that.

Only in your mind, not in real life..

So MOTR I'd love you to tell me why Labor always takes from me and why that would earn my vote ??

They take from the majority, not just you, and not just Labor.

It's called TAX, and without it, you mob wouldn't ever pay your
fair share. You seem to think that the majority OWE you their
tax money, but God forbid that YOU should have to contribute.

The only time you lot ever put any serious effort into anything
is when you're working out ways to avoid paying tax while at
the same time wanting to grab the lion's share of any tax breaks
or wealthfare that happens to be going, and all the while blaming
the poor for BEING poor, and begrudging them what little they do
manage to earn or otherwise scrape by on.

It's not the pollies, the public servants or the welfare recips who
are the true bots on society OR the biggest gluttons on the gravy
train.

It's you mob.

why is it that the biggest complainers about tax are those that pay bugger all and when their welfare is taken into account pay NOTHING?

really? I've never heard of them complaining ... instead Andrei is on here every day complaining about a carbon tax he doesn't pay ... why is that?

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Re: Australia’s new dawn?
Reply #25 - Mar 25^th, 2013 at 8:29am

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 25^th, 2013 at 8:10am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 25^th, 2013 at 6:00am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 5:22pm:

PZ547 wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 4:10pm:

John S wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 7:45am:

Quote:

WHATEVER HAPPENED in the halls of Canberra last week, whether by chance or by careful planning, it opened the door for Julia Gillard to convert the Australia Labor Party into a new and modernised political party of her own creation.

Last week, she either fell into a trap set by others and crushed them ‒ not exactly brutally but not sweetly either ‒ or it was a composite chain of events that gave her an opportunity rarely offered to a political leader. Either way, she has demonstrated her strength as a woman and a leader.

Those events have set both the Labor Party and the Australian nation onto a new path. Like New Labor, that gave Britain’s Tony Blair the opportunity to wash his country clean of the stifling High Tory Thatcher regime, Prime Minister Gillard now has her own opportunity to sweep nasty Small Tory Howardism into the dustpan of our history.

Behind this not so distant past always lurks the grubby shadow of Keith Rupert Murdoch, the newspaper magnate whose unfettered super ego placed his shadowy figure in a scenario that corrupted both nations.

His United States invasion, dominating everything else in his dark mind, became a significant force in the Reagan-Bush years. He was able to use his influence in Britain and Australia to drag the country of his birth into unwinnable, wasteful, senseless, homicidal wars that brought worldwide economic and political disaster in the last months of the 20th century and the early years of the 21st.

Blair, Howard and Bush all fell from power and now Murdoch is trying again — a last fling in the evening of his life. He had Kevin Rudd in his clutch — and when Rudd lost power, he appropriated the insipid, obsequious Tony Abbott on the other side of politics instead.

There is not the slightest chance that he will ever gain any influence at all over Julia Gillard. Australia has an intellectually sharp and agile leader now who will remain untainted by the Murdoch influence. She is a woman who knows her own mind. She has the opportunity to build the Party into a new force, with new blood in its veins and new talent in its ministerial front bench.

Soon, the country must shed its last remaining faith in the fraudulent behaviour of the old media ‒ that once dominated our lives ‒ and, from the new media, become fully aware of her abilities

If we do, 14 September 2013, will herald a new beginning in the history of Australia.

http://www.independentaustralia.net/2013/politics/australias-new-dawn/

Lost me the moment the spectre of Tony Blair raised its foul head. And attempting to whitewash his zionist agenda finished me right off

Attempts to sound credible would do well to delete all and any reference to Blair as being a positive influence in ANYone's politics

and as soon as you used the word 'zionist' you lost me and probably most others.

Why?

SOB

like most other concepts, it would be impossible to explain it to you.

Because you have no reason other than you were trying to be nasty?

SOB

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Re: Australia’s new dawn?
Reply #26 - Mar 25^th, 2013 at 9:15am

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 25^th, 2013 at 8:09am:

Kat wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 11:02pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 10:41am:

MOTR wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 10:26am:

And many are learning first hand the costs that come with a LNP government.

My experience has always been good.
It was Coalition that gave me $5k baby bonus that Labor took away.

As they should have, the BB should be means-tested.

It was Coalition that gave me 30% health insurance rebate that Labor took away.

Yes, it should always have been means-tested.

It was Coalition that gave me first home grant that Labor thought should see me means tested out of it.

Yes, that's only reasonable if you're a high-income-earner.

It was Labor that gave me $3 in tax cuts and a carbon tax cost of living increase 300 times that.

Only in your mind, not in real life..

So MOTR I'd love you to tell me why Labor always takes from me and why that would earn my vote ??

They take from the majority, not just you, and not just Labor.

It's called TAX, and without it, you mob wouldn't ever pay your
fair share. You seem to think that the majority OWE you their
tax money, but God forbid that YOU should have to contribute.

The only time you lot ever put any serious effort into anything
is when you're working out ways to avoid paying tax while at
the same time wanting to grab the lion's share of any tax breaks
or wealthfare that happens to be going, and all the while blaming
the poor for BEING poor, and begrudging them what little they do
manage to earn or otherwise scrape by on.

It's not the pollies, the public servants or the welfare recips who
are the true bots on society OR the biggest gluttons on the gravy
train.

It's you mob.

why is it that the biggest complainers about tax are those that pay bugger all and when their welfare is taken into account pay NOTHING?

"Anyone noticed that those who complain the loudest about how welfare is spent are the people who pay the least in?"

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Re: Australia’s new dawn?
Reply #27 - Mar 25^th, 2013 at 9:17am

MOTR wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 1:19pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 10:41am:

MOTR wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 10:26am:

And many are learning first hand the costs that come with a LNP government.

My experience has always been good.
It was Coalition that gave me $5k baby bonus that Labor took away.
It was Coalition that gave me 30% health insurance rebate that Labor took away.
It was Coalition that gave me first home grant that Labor thought should see me means tested out of it.
It was Labor that gave me $3 in tax cuts and a carbon tax cost of living increase 300 times that.

So MOTR I'd love you to tell me why Labor always takes from me and why that would earn my vote ??

You are a leach, Andrei. It's middle class welfare that makes it incredibly difficult to keep budgets under control. It's one of Howard's cancerous legacies.

Still haven't answered a legitimate response query to your point.

Your point is that people shouldn't vote Coalition because they will feel the pinch of the policies.

I turned it around and listed how Labor have cost me and many like me as a result of cutting policies which has seen cost of living increase and benefits reduce.

So using your very own analysis, why would I or others vote for Labor if they leave us worse off?

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Re: Australia’s new dawn?
Reply #28 - Mar 25^th, 2013 at 10:55am

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Mar 25^th, 2013 at 8:28am:

the wise one et.al, I think this may complement this article quite well:

http://theconversation.com/moving-forward-where-does-labor-go-now-12980

that was a pretty good article. It was vastly more realistic while giving some pointers for a labor resurgence. At least it recognizes that its current trajectory is titanic-esque. the OP was blithely ignorant of that.

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