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Infarction Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 509	Re: Why did illegal boat numbers increase under Labor? Reply #135 - Mar 27^th, 2013 at 7:46am Perhaps you can answer the question that maqqa has failed horribly at all this time AP What are the Libs going to do in terms of policy that labor are not that will make the difference?
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Reply #136 - Mar 27^th, 2013 at 7:59am

Infarction wrote on Mar 27^th, 2013 at 7:46am:

Perhaps you can answer the question that maqqa has failed horribly at all this time AP

What are the Libs going to do in terms of policy that labor are not that will make the difference?

The tactic here AP is to engage in the nitty gritty so that he/she can build bush fires under every point you bring up

Whatever you bring up will not change the fact that Labor's policies are not working and the LIBs did

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Infarction Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 509	Re: Why did illegal boat numbers increase under Labor? Reply #137 - Mar 27^th, 2013 at 12:09pm If by "tactic" you mean figuring out if he actually knows what he is talking about, then yes, that's exactly what i am doing. I suspect with AP it will end up just like yourself and the answer will be no, no idea whatsoever. But we will wait and see on that one.
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Reply #138 - Mar 27^th, 2013 at 1:12pm

Infarction wrote on Mar 27^th, 2013 at 12:09pm:

If by "tactic" you mean figuring out if he actually knows what he is talking about, then yes, that's exactly what i am doing.

I suspect with AP it will end up just like yourself and the answer will be no, no idea whatsoever.

But we will wait and see on that one.

I was not aware that you need to be a mechanical engineer to drive a car

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Infarction Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 509	Re: Why did illegal boat numbers increase under Labor? Reply #139 - Mar 27^th, 2013 at 1:18pm Oh dear.
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Reply #140 - Mar 28^th, 2013 at 6:21am

Infarction wrote on Mar 27^th, 2013 at 7:46am:

Perhaps you can answer the question that maqqa has failed horribly at all this time AP

What are the Libs going to do in terms of policy that labor are not that will make the difference?

For one thing, the Coalition will reintroduce TPVs. They are proven to work. The only reason Gillard won't do so is because it would be too embarrassing for her. Never mind that people are dying at sea - just don't embarrass her! One of the other things the Coalition will do is work with our regional neighbours to focus on deterrence, rather than processing. I think that turning back boats when it is safe to do so is another part of this Coalition policy. Labor's current policy seems to revolve around shutting the barn door after the horse has bolted - worse than useless. So now you have your answer.

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Infarction Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 509	Re: Why did illegal boat numbers increase under Labor? Reply #141 - Mar 28^th, 2013 at 8:08am 70% of tpv's didn't get sent home, and of that 30%, a bunch of afghans went home voluntarily. That's not a deterrent, far from it. And where are they going to turn the boats back to? Indonesia have said they won't take them.
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Reply #142 - Mar 28^th, 2013 at 8:29am

Infarction wrote on Mar 28^th, 2013 at 8:08am:

70% of tpv's didn't get sent home, and of that 30%, a bunch of afghans went home voluntarily.

That's not a deterrent, far from it.

And where are they going to turn the boats back to? Indonesia have said they won't take them.

What are they going to do when the boats turn up in Indon waters with a litre of fuel only left in the tank?
I would think your average navy stoker would be quite capable of draining fuel out of a fuel tank, or adding more if required eh.
Considering the boats have just left an Indon port, it comes across a bit odd that the Indon's would cry foul about getting them back.

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Infarction Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 509	Re: Why did illegal boat numbers increase under Labor? Reply #143 - Mar 28^th, 2013 at 8:36am Why would they be keen to take back non citizens? Abbott can not justify a policy like you just described either, that's not safe for a start.
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Reply #144 - Mar 28^th, 2013 at 9:17am

Infarction wrote on Mar 28^th, 2013 at 8:36am:

Why would they be keen to take back non citizens?

Abbott can not justify a policy like you just described either, that's not safe for a start.

Do the Indon's have to be keen?
I think not.
They need to fix their broken borders.
And having sufficient fuel in a tank to make a specific voyage is quite common and occurs every day.
Aircraft and ships/boats do it all the time without incident, so safety doesn't come into it.
Naval personnel already board and check these boats anyway and have done so for years.
Abbott can quite easily justify a policy which works.

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Infarction Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 509	Re: Why did illegal boat numbers increase under Labor? Reply #145 - Mar 28^th, 2013 at 9:20am What? They don't have to take them back, what will happen then? Leaving a boat with no fuel in open water while knowing the other country won't take them isn't safe, explain to me how that is safe.
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KJT1981 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1822	Re: Why did illegal boat numbers increase under Labor? Reply #146 - Mar 28^th, 2013 at 9:29am Infarction wrote on Mar 28^th, 2013 at 8:36am: Why would they be keen to take back non citizens? Abbott can not justify a policy like you just described either, that's not safe for a start. Why are the Labor and Green dopes 'keen to take non citizens'?
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Infarction Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 509	Re: Why did illegal boat numbers increase under Labor? Reply #147 - Mar 28^th, 2013 at 9:30am You are against immigration?
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Reply #148 - Mar 28^th, 2013 at 9:33am

Infarction wrote on Mar 28^th, 2013 at 9:20am:

What?

They don't have to take them back, what will happen then?

Leaving a boat with no fuel in open water while knowing the other country won't take them isn't safe, explain to me how that is safe.

But there isn't a 'boat with no fuel in open water' as ensuring these boats have enough fuel to make port after being towed to Indon territorial waters would ensure that they make port unless the crew sabotage the boat.
But once these boats enter Indonesian territorial waters, it's not our issue anymore.
What the Indon's do after that is up to them really.

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"Another boat, another policy failure from the Howard government"

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Infarction Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 509	Re: Why did illegal boat numbers increase under Labor? Reply #149 - Mar 28^th, 2013 at 9:37am So it's safe to tow them to waters where it's no longer our problem even though the other country won't take them?
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