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Re: Why did illegal boat numbers increase under Labor?
Reply #30 - Mar 24^th, 2013 at 3:13pm

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Re: Why did illegal boat numbers increase under Labor?
Reply #31 - Mar 24^th, 2013 at 3:14pm

PZ547 wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 3:13pm:

Anyone who remains unaware that regardless of party, the so-called 'leaders'

WHOM WE PAY

take their orders from elsewhere and the agenda of the ACTUAL destroyers of Australia is to flood this land with many, diverse and opposing cultures in as short a time as possible

If you don't know that, you need to quit blathering in political fora

I think we found corporate whiny's friend.

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Re: Why did illegal boat numbers increase under Labor?
Reply #33 - Mar 24^th, 2013 at 3:15pm

olde.sault wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 3:02pm:

Infarction wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 1:00pm:

It's not difficult. They changed the policy, that would have made a big difference, probably not the only reason but it's certainly a big one.

The policy is pretty much what the pacific solution was again but the boats still came and continue to do so.

Thats the issue now.

I disagree.

Howard didn't let these boatfuls onto Australian soil, they were sent to Narau and only given temporary visas. If Howard's rules are returned, the boat arrivals will dry up.

Incidentally, I doubt that Gillard takes orders from anyone (dumber than herself). Maybe from the exceptionally union heavies and I'm damned sure Abbott will do what he sees fit about the carbon tax, illegals and he'll let women make up their minds about abortion.

Catholic he may be but not unaware that some women have financial agendas when it came to their annual drops to the Welfare purse.

What happened to those asylum seekers who were given tpv's?

How many went back? Maqqa can't seem to produce these kinds of stays to support an argument along those lines.

Are you able to advise me what happened to those people?

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Re: Why did illegal boat numbers increase under Labor?
Reply #34 - Mar 24^th, 2013 at 3:18pm

Infarction wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 3:15pm:

What happened to those asylum seekers who were given tpv's?

How many went back? Maqqa can't seem to produce these kinds of stays to support an argument along those lines.

Are you able to advise me what happened to those people?

I am going on the 11,000 TPVs figures you gave us

How can you use 11,000 TPV to compare when only 1,500 arrived by boats

What we know when TPV was in place - only 1,500 BOAT arrivals.

No TPV - 34,000+ BOAT arrivals

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Re: Why did illegal boat numbers increase under Labor?
Reply #35 - Mar 24^th, 2013 at 3:18pm

Infarction wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 1:15pm:

The numbers on Temporary Protection Visas are clearer. They were introduced in 1999 and ended in 2008. There were 11,206 issued. When they were abolished, 88% of temporary visa holders had already been granted permanent status. Just over 1000 people were still on TPVs when they were abolished; 815 of these were made permanent afterward. Of the 11,000 or so TPVs issued, 379 holders had left Australia in the interim; that is, “temporary protection visas” ended up being temporary for 3.4% of those issued them.

http://www.crikey.com.au/2011/09/06/what-happened-as-a-result-of-tpvs-and-the-pacific-solution/

Crikey is a leftist looney website it is not a credible source.

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The pacific solution was a cynical,costly and ultimately unsuccessful exercise introduced on the eve of a federal election by the Howard government.

The department of immigration and citizenship expended $289 million between sept 2001 and june 2007 to run Nauru and Manus offshore processing centres

A total of 1637 people were detained at Nauru and Manus facilities, of those who were resettled 705 were resettled in Australia

Labor minister source instead of dopey leftist looney source-
www.minister.immi.gov.au/media/media-releases/2008/ce08014.htm

705 of the 1637 illegal boat arrivals were resettled into Australia which means only 43% of those who arrived by boat during the pacific solution were resettled into Australia.

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Boat arrivals in Australia-
2001- 5516 people
2002- 1 person
2003- 53 people
2004- 15 people
2005- 11 people
2006- 60 people
2007- 148 people
2008 - 161 people
Government source instead of leftist crappola source-
www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_Library/...

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Re: Why did illegal boat numbers increase under Labor?
Reply #36 - Mar 24^th, 2013 at 3:23pm

Why did you cut a bit out of that?

A total of 1637 people were detained in the Nauru and Manus facilities, of whom 1153 (or 70 per cent) were ultimately resettled from the OPCs to Australia or other countries. Of those who were resettled, around 61 per cent (705 people) were resettled in Australia.

So 70% were resettled?

Not a bad strike rate.. Were all of the 1637 given tpv's?

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Re: Why did illegal boat numbers increase under Labor?
Reply #37 - Mar 24^th, 2013 at 3:24pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 3:18pm:

705 of the 1637 illegal boat arrivals were resettled into Australia which means only 43% of those who arrived by boat during the pacific solution were resettled into Australia.

The TPV had the following characteristics

(1) Offshore processing
(2) Threat to tow boats back
(3) TPV
(4) Result is 43% strike rate of landing in Aust for country shoppers

Under Labor
(1) Onshore processing = 100% strike rate for the $10K spent
(2) Threat to tow boats to Australia = 100% success for people smugglers
(4) Result 34,000 boat arrivals
(3) Permanent residence eg Capt iPad

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Re: Why did illegal boat numbers increase under Labor?
Reply #38 - Mar 24^th, 2013 at 3:25pm

Infarction wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 3:23pm:

Why did you cut a bit out of that?

A total of 1637 people were detained in the Nauru and Manus facilities, of whom 1153 (or 70 per cent) were ultimately resettled from the OPCs to Australia or other countries. Of those who were resettled, around 61 per cent (705 people) were resettled in Australia.

So 70% were resettled?

Not a bad strike rate.. Were all of the 1637 given tpv's?

but only 43% settle in Australia

remember that they paid money to get to Australia

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Re: Why did illegal boat numbers increase under Labor?
Reply #39 - Mar 24^th, 2013 at 3:25pm

Maqqa wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 3:18pm:

Infarction wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 3:15pm:

What happened to those asylum seekers who were given tpv's?

How many went back? Maqqa can't seem to produce these kinds of stays to support an argument along those lines.

Are you able to advise me what happened to those people?

I am going on the 11,000 TPVs figures you gave us

How can you use 11,000 TPV to compare when only 1,500 arrived by boats

What we know when TPV was in place - only 1,500 BOAT arrivals.

No TPV - 34,000+ BOAT arrivals

Mate, if you can't answer the actual question just say so.

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Re: Why did illegal boat numbers increase under Labor?
Reply #40 - Mar 24^th, 2013 at 3:26pm

Infarction wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 3:25pm:

Maqqa wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 3:18pm:

Infarction wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 3:15pm:

What happened to those asylum seekers who were given tpv's?

How many went back? Maqqa can't seem to produce these kinds of stays to support an argument along those lines.

Are you able to advise me what happened to those people?

I am going on the 11,000 TPVs figures you gave us

How can you use 11,000 TPV to compare when only 1,500 arrived by boats

What we know when TPV was in place - only 1,500 BOAT arrivals.

No TPV - 34,000+ BOAT arrivals

Mate, if you can't answer the actual question just say so.

How is that relevant to the discussion?

when TPV was in place - only 1,500 BOAT arrivals.

No TPV - 34,000+ BOAT arrivals

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Re: Why did illegal boat numbers increase under Labor?
Reply #41 - Mar 24^th, 2013 at 3:27pm

Maqqa wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 3:25pm:

Infarction wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 3:23pm:

Why did you cut a bit out of that?

A total of 1637 people were detained in the Nauru and Manus facilities, of whom 1153 (or 70 per cent) were ultimately resettled from the OPCs to Australia or other countries. Of those who were resettled, around 61 per cent (705 people) were resettled in Australia.

So 70% were resettled?

Not a bad strike rate.. Were all of the 1637 given tpv's?

but only 43% settle in Australia

remember that they paid money to get to Australia

And?

If they were all given tpv's the very large majority didn't have to go home.. I know some went to NZ. Hardly a massive punishment, where did the others go and why will that strike rate stop the boats?

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Re: Why did illegal boat numbers increase under Labor?
Reply #42 - Mar 24^th, 2013 at 3:29pm

Infarction wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 3:27pm:

Maqqa wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 3:25pm:

Infarction wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 3:23pm:

Why did you cut a bit out of that?

A total of 1637 people were detained in the Nauru and Manus facilities, of whom 1153 (or 70 per cent) were ultimately resettled from the OPCs to Australia or other countries. Of those who were resettled, around 61 per cent (705 people) were resettled in Australia.

So 70% were resettled?

Not a bad strike rate.. Were all of the 1637 given tpv's?

but only 43% settle in Australia

remember that they paid money to get to Australia

And?

If they were all given tpv's the very large majority didn't have to go home.. I know some went to NZ. Hardly a massive punishment, where did the others go and why will that strike rate stop the boats?

They paid $10K for a result of settling in Australia

Only 43% achieved that result - 43% of the 1600

Even if we applied the 43% to Labor's numbers - it's 43% of 34,000

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Re: Why did illegal boat numbers increase under Labor?
Reply #43 - Mar 24^th, 2013 at 3:34pm

Maqqa wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 3:29pm:

Infarction wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 3:27pm:

Maqqa wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 3:25pm:

Infarction wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 3:23pm:

Why did you cut a bit out of that?

A total of 1637 people were detained in the Nauru and Manus facilities, of whom 1153 (or 70 per cent) were ultimately resettled from the OPCs to Australia or other countries. Of those who were resettled, around 61 per cent (705 people) were resettled in Australia.

So 70% were resettled?

Not a bad strike rate.. Were all of the 1637 given tpv's?

but only 43% settle in Australia

remember that they paid money to get to Australia

And?

If they were all given tpv's the very large majority didn't have to go home.. I know some went to NZ. Hardly a massive punishment, where did the others go and why will that strike rate stop the boats?

They paid $10K for a result of settling in Australia

Only 43% achieved that result - 43% of the 1600

Even if we applied the 43% to Labor's numbers - it's 43% of 34,000

And?

They are fleeing shithole places, they try and come here, 70% get to, or somewhere thereabouts at least and don't get sent home.

It's not really an intimidating stat. You will need to do better to push the tpv line.

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Re: Why did illegal boat numbers increase under Labor?
Reply #44 - Mar 24^th, 2013 at 3:39pm

Infarction wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 3:23pm:

Why did you cut a bit out of that?

A total of 1637 people were detained in the Nauru and Manus facilities, of whom 1153 (or 70 per cent) were ultimately resettled from the OPCs to Australia or other countries. Of those who were resettled, around 61 per cent (705 people) were resettled in Australia.

So 70% were resettled?

Not a bad strike rate.. Were all of the 1637 given tpv's?

Only 43% of boat arrivals were resettled into Australia despite labor trying to spin it into a higher figure.

705/1637=43%

705 out of 1637 probably got a TPV, the leftists are not too bright.

Labor closed down refugee processing centres that resettled refugees into other countries, is that something leftists are proud of when they spruik off about how humane they are?

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