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Re: Why did illegal boat numbers increase under Labor?
Reply #45 - Mar 24^th, 2013 at 3:44pm

Infarction wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 3:34pm:

And?

They are fleeing shithole places, they try and come here, 70% get to, or somewhere thereabouts at least and don't get sent home.

It's not really an intimidating stat. You will need to do better to push the tpv line.

43% achieved the goal of getting to Australia

if you paid $10K for a diamond but were told the cubic zirconia you got was "somewhere thereabouts" you'd be pissed

so don't try to increase the success rate by mixing the 2 numbers

the $10K was to get onto mainland Aust

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Re: Why did illegal boat numbers increase under Labor?
Reply #46 - Mar 24^th, 2013 at 3:46pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 3:39pm:

Infarction wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 3:23pm:

Why did you cut a bit out of that?

A total of 1637 people were detained in the Nauru and Manus facilities, of whom 1153 (or 70 per cent) were ultimately resettled from the OPCs to Australia or other countries. Of those who were resettled, around 61 per cent (705 people) were resettled in Australia.

So 70% were resettled?

Not a bad strike rate.. Were all of the 1637 given tpv's?

Only 43% of boat arrivals were resettled into Australia despite labor trying to spin it into a higher figure.

705/1637=43%

705 out of 1637 probably got a TPV, the leftists are not too bright.

Labor closed down refugee processing centres that resettled refugees into other countries, is that something leftists are proud of when they spruik off about how humane they are?

All I am asking is how many got tpv's and how many were sent home to ascertain how effective they actually were as a deterrent.

Seems you can't answer that either.

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Re: Why did illegal boat numbers increase under Labor?
Reply #47 - Mar 24^th, 2013 at 3:47pm

Maqqa wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 3:44pm:

Infarction wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 3:34pm:

And?

They are fleeing shithole places, they try and come here, 70% get to, or somewhere thereabouts at least and don't get sent home.

It's not really an intimidating stat. You will need to do better to push the tpv line.

43% achieved the goal of getting to Australia

if you paid $10K for a diamond but were told the cubic zirconia you got was "somewhere thereabouts" you'd be pissed

so don't try to increase the success rate by mixing the 2 numbers

the $10K was to get onto mainland Aust

How many were given tpv's and then sent home maqqa.. This is the question you continuously avoid.

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Re: Why did illegal boat numbers increase under Labor?
Reply #48 - Mar 24^th, 2013 at 4:12pm

As I have said on another thread on this? Why do we have 2? The John Howard solution should be installed as soon as the Liberals are in office.

Refuel em, re provision them, then turn them around.

Once the people smugglers know they aren't going to set a single soul on land it will die on the vines.

People aren't going to stump upwards of 20 grand if they don't make it here. Word spreads fast in the people trade.

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Re: Why did illegal boat numbers increase under Labor?
Reply #49 - Mar 24^th, 2013 at 4:16pm

red baron wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 4:12pm:

As I have said on another thread on this? Why do we have 2? The John Howard solution should be installed as soon as the Liberals are in office.

Refuel em, re provision them, then turn them around.

Once the people smugglers know they aren't going to set a single soul on land it will die on the vines.

People aren't going to stump upwards of 20 grand if they don't make it here. Word spreads fast in the people trade.

That's not what Howard's solution was though.

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Re: Why did illegal boat numbers increase under Labor?
Reply #51 - Mar 24^th, 2013 at 4:24pm

TPVs and offshore processing worked a treat last time.
A return to the previous Libs policies might just do the trick again and stop the refugee influx.

If they don't then I suspect that if Mr Abbott implements a few of his other alternatives for "stopping the boats" then we'll become an international pariah complete with sanctions - probably nothing too severe as we have too much cr@p in the ground that people want, but perhaps sporting sanctions to the point where the Sheffield Shield becomes our highest level of cricket played.

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Re: Why did illegal boat numbers increase under Labor?
Reply #52 - Mar 24^th, 2013 at 4:51pm

Maqqa wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 2:00pm:

arrivals by BOATS with TPV policy - 1,500
arrivals by BOATS without TPV policy - 34,000

whose arse are you pulling those figures from?

Government figures state that between 1999-2001 alone (TPVs started in 1999), there were over 10 thousand arrivals. Breaking all records up until then.

http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_Library/pubs/BN/2012-2013/BoatArrivals

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Re: Why did illegal boat numbers increase under Labor?
Reply #53 - Mar 24^th, 2013 at 5:01pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 4:51pm:

Maqqa wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 2:00pm:

arrivals by BOATS with TPV policy - 1,500
arrivals by BOATS without TPV policy - 34,000

whose arse are you pulling those figures from?

Government figures state that between 1999-2001 alone (TPVs started in 1999), there were over 10 thousand arrivals. Breaking all records up until then.

http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_Library/pubs/BN/2012-2013/BoatArrivals

From 1999-2001 there was NO Pacific Solution policy. Try getting it right once in a while...

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Re: Why did illegal boat numbers increase under Labor?
Reply #54 - Mar 24^th, 2013 at 5:18pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 5:01pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 4:51pm:

Maqqa wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 2:00pm:

arrivals by BOATS with TPV policy - 1,500
arrivals by BOATS without TPV policy - 34,000

whose arse are you pulling those figures from?

Government figures state that between 1999-2001 alone (TPVs started in 1999), there were over 10 thousand arrivals. Breaking all records up until then.

http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_Library/pubs/BN/2012-2013/BoatArrivals

From 1999-2001 there was NO Pacific Solution policy. Try getting it right once in a while...

Which just reinforce the fact

Pacific Solution + TPV = Best Solution

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Re: Why did illegal boat numbers increase under Labor?
Reply #55 - Mar 24^th, 2013 at 5:21pm

Infarction wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 3:47pm:

Maqqa wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 3:44pm:

Infarction wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 3:34pm:

And?

They are fleeing shithole places, they try and come here, 70% get to, or somewhere thereabouts at least and don't get sent home.

It's not really an intimidating stat. You will need to do better to push the tpv line.

43% achieved the goal of getting to Australia

if you paid $10K for a diamond but were told the cubic zirconia you got was "somewhere thereabouts" you'd be pissed

so don't try to increase the success rate by mixing the 2 numbers

the $10K was to get onto mainland Aust

How many were given tpv's and then sent home maqqa.. This is the question you continuously avoid.

(1) Of the 700 that was given protection VISA and allowed to set foot on Australian soil - I don't know

(2) How does this then related to the 34,000 under Labor?

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Re: Why did illegal boat numbers increase under Labor?
Reply #56 - Mar 24^th, 2013 at 5:24pm

Maqqa wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 3:24pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 3:18pm:

705 of the 1637 illegal boat arrivals were resettled into Australia which means only 43% of those who arrived by boat during the pacific solution were resettled into Australia.

The TPV had the following characteristics

(1) Offshore processing
(2) Threat to tow boats back
(3) TPV
(4) Result is 43% strike rate of landing in Aust for country shoppers

No. TPVs had the following characteristics:

(1) they had zero impact on the number of asylum seekers arriving in Australia
(2) they resulted in more woman and children seeking asylum under dangerous conditions

The claim that the TPV introduction halted arrivals is not supported by the evidence. … In fact, in the period after that there was a huge surge. Our figures show that in that period the percentage of women and children went from around 25 per cent to around 40 per cent. We saw more women and children taking the very perilous journey to come to Australia by unlawful boat arrivals.
http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_L...

Ever heard of SEIV X? That is what the "Pacific Solution gave us. Yes - Howard "stopped the boats". But asylum seekers did not magically disappear. They continued to die.

We know that in 1999, almost all asylum seekers who came by boat were men, and there were few women and children. We know this, again because of Immigration Department records and also because the detention centres were built to accommodate mainly men; there were few family compounds. This was reported by departmental officials [2].

We also know that the demographics of asylum seekers began to change after TPVs were introduced. Gradually but inexorably, the boats started to carry more women and children, in relative and absolute terms. Three quarters of the passengers on the SIEV X were women and children.
http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/2757748.html

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Re: Why did illegal boat numbers increase under Labor?
Reply #57 - Mar 24^th, 2013 at 5:27pm

Maqqa wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 5:21pm:

Infarction wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 3:47pm:

Maqqa wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 3:44pm:

Infarction wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 3:34pm:

And?

They are fleeing shithole places, they try and come here, 70% get to, or somewhere thereabouts at least and don't get sent home.

It's not really an intimidating stat. You will need to do better to push the tpv line.

43% achieved the goal of getting to Australia

if you paid $10K for a diamond but were told the cubic zirconia you got was "somewhere thereabouts" you'd be pissed

so don't try to increase the success rate by mixing the 2 numbers

the $10K was to get onto mainland Aust

How many were given tpv's and then sent home maqqa.. This is the question you continuously avoid.

(1) Of the 700 that was given protection VISA and allowed to set foot on Australian soil - I don't know

(2) How does this then related to the 34,000 under Labor?

Still waiting for you to explain why you think TPV are a good idea now - when they clearly were not a good idea before.

THey did nothing to reduce the arrival of asylum seekers in Australlia, but they did lead to more women and children placing themselves at risk.

As for evidence that TPVs were a deterrent - there isn't any. There is only speculation by those who haven't bothered fact checking or doing a bit of research. If anyone tells you that TPVs were a factor in stopping boats in 2001, rest assured they have no idea what they are talking about, or they are simply lying.
http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/2757748.htm

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red baron Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10204 Blue Mountains Gender:	Re: Why did illegal boat numbers increase under Labor? Reply #58 - Mar 24^th, 2013 at 5:57pm Tony Abbott said, "I will stop the boats." I think you can pretty well take that to the bank.
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red baron Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10204 Blue Mountains Gender:	Re: Why did illegal boat numbers increase under Labor? Reply #59 - Mar 24^th, 2013 at 6:00pm Tony Abbott has stated, "I will stop the boats." Tony Abbott WILL stop the boats....end of story and end of problem. Too bad about the 30,000 Gillard let through the gate.
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