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Re: Why did illegal boat numbers increase under Labor?
Reply #90 - Mar 25^th, 2013 at 3:01pm

Maqqa wrote on Mar 25^th, 2013 at 1:44pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Mar 25^th, 2013 at 1:36pm:

Because they wanted to help Maqqa achieve a world record, number of Threads on page 1 of Politicians Suck?

Oh sorry, nearly forgot?

I wonder, if FD is charging the Liberal Party, for Maqqa's Party Advertising, which is all that she is doing, LIBERAL PARTY ADVETISING/SPIN!

I am advertising the Liberal party

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I rarely post about the LIBs so how can I be advertising them?

and I am grateful to FD for the website - despite the fact I do antagonise him/her Cool

Gee whiz, that's the best "one liner chuckle", I've heard all day!
Come on sweetie, be honest, for once, that is the only reason you're on this website!
You are either posting positive Liberal SPIN or negative Labor SPIN. Either way, YOU ARE DOING LIBERAL ADVERTISING!
All of which you are quite entitled to do, BUT PLEASE, at least be honest about it!

And, so you should be! This sort of advertising, would cost a fortune, on the "old style" media!

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Re: Why did illegal boat numbers increase under Labor?
Reply #91 - Mar 25^th, 2013 at 3:16pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 25^th, 2013 at 2:58pm:

Maqqa wrote on Mar 25^th, 2013 at 12:39pm:

Why should I?

It's enough to say the current system does not work.

If you are so sure returning to the pacific solution will solve the problem, I think its fair enough that you explain why the current policy - supported by the libs - is not working.

You see, they are almost identical - except for the TPVs - which we already know have the opposite effect of what they are intended. The key difference with labor's policy is the no advantage measure - which is by design punitive - specifically for deterrence. Howard didn't have that. So basically you are saying that although Howard had a softer approach than Gillard, returning to his policy will somehow work.

Here's what will most likely happen: Abbott will come to power on a platform of "stopping the boats" (again). He will continue Nauru, and reintroduce TPVs. It won't have any effect - in fact arrivals will continue to increase. Abbott's government will then do what Howard did in 2001 - panic. He will bring back terror tactics on the high seas - call it Operation Relex Mark II. People will likely die and many more lives will be needlessly endangered. Eventually through sheer terror, the boats will stop. And once again, the so called "pacific solution" will have had nothing to do with it.

As long as the boats stop then who gives a bugger?

People will likely die and many more lives will be needlessly endangered

People do die now and lives will continuously be in danger if we allow people smuggling to continue.

What's your point?

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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 58629 Here Gender:	Re: Why did illegal boat numbers increase under Labor? Reply #92 - Mar 25^th, 2013 at 3:17pm Tony Abbotts solution given freely at every opportunity for over 15 months -"just get on the phone to Nauru". That was it that was his solution right up till it didn't work. Then surprise surprise the goal posts move again.
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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 58629 Here Gender:	Re: Why did illegal boat numbers increase under Labor? Reply #93 - Mar 25^th, 2013 at 3:19pm How do you build an illegal boat?
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 137833 Gender:	Re: Why did illegal boat numbers increase under Labor? Reply #94 - Mar 25^th, 2013 at 4:37pm Dnarever wrote on Mar 25^th, 2013 at 3:19pm: How do you build an illegal boat? I wonder if this is an illegal boat: Not sure if it's on the correct side of the road.
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Alinta Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1470 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Why did illegal boat numbers increase under Labor? Reply #95 - Mar 25^th, 2013 at 4:53pm
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Maqqa

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Re: Why did illegal boat numbers increase under Labor?
Reply #96 - Mar 25^th, 2013 at 4:57pm

perceptions_now wrote on Mar 25^th, 2013 at 3:01pm:

Maqqa wrote on Mar 25^th, 2013 at 1:44pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Mar 25^th, 2013 at 1:36pm:

Because they wanted to help Maqqa achieve a world record, number of Threads on page 1 of Politicians Suck?

Oh sorry, nearly forgot?

I wonder, if FD is charging the Liberal Party, for Maqqa's Party Advertising, which is all that she is doing, LIBERAL PARTY ADVETISING/SPIN!

I am advertising the Liberal party

hhmmm

I rarely post about the LIBs so how can I be advertising them?

and I am grateful to FD for the website - despite the fact I do antagonise him/her Cool

Gee whiz, that's the best "one liner chuckle", I've heard all day!
Come on sweetie, be honest, for once, that is the only reason you're on this website!
You are either posting positive Liberal SPIN or negative Labor SPIN. Either way, YOU ARE DOING LIBERAL ADVERTISING!
All of which you are quite entitled to do, BUT PLEASE, at least be honest about it!

And, so you should be! This sort of advertising, would cost a fortune, on the "old style" media!

Oh come on PN

This goes way back to the old Yahoo forum days - so I am not here to advertise anything

Deathbonksmydeadhorse is another matter

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Re: Why did illegal boat numbers increase under Labor?
Reply #97 - Mar 25^th, 2013 at 5:00pm

Maqqa wrote on Mar 25^th, 2013 at 1:05pm:

Infarction wrote on Mar 25^th, 2013 at 12:45pm:

That boats will suddenly stop once the libs implement the pacific solution again.

You seem to think it's substantially different to what is currently in place, but asides from TPV's, which we have already proven are not much of a deterrent, i can't see what the differences are.

And you can't point out what they are.

That about sums it up

Based on history - this is the case

Labor has no history of success in this area

The problem for that argument is that history has all but been reinstated, and its not working.

Tpv's won't solve it, never has been the reason.

Time for you to get your head out of the sand (or at least explain what the actual differences between the policies are as you see them)

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Re: Why did illegal boat numbers increase under Labor?
Reply #98 - Mar 25^th, 2013 at 5:06pm

Infarction wrote on Mar 25^th, 2013 at 5:00pm:

Maqqa wrote on Mar 25^th, 2013 at 1:05pm:

Infarction wrote on Mar 25^th, 2013 at 12:45pm:

That boats will suddenly stop once the libs implement the pacific solution again.

You seem to think it's substantially different to what is currently in place, but asides from TPV's, which we have already proven are not much of a deterrent, i can't see what the differences are.

And you can't point out what they are.

That about sums it up

Based on history - this is the case

Labor has no history of success in this area

The problem for that argument is that history has all but been reinstated, and its not working.

Tpv's won't solve it, never has been the reason.

Time for you to get your head out of the sand (or at least explain what the actual differences between the policies are as you see them)

No it hasn't

Because if it has - the it would be called the Pacific Solution

If Gillard had ANY intention of reinstating the Pacific Solution then she would have not wasted time and money commissioning the Houston Recommendations

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Infarction Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 509	Re: Why did illegal boat numbers increase under Labor? Reply #99 - Mar 25^th, 2013 at 5:08pm But itsnot the PS. There is a difference.. No tpv's, been over that a bunch of times. That's why I didn't say it was the PS. What other differences are there in your opinion?
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Re: Why did illegal boat numbers increase under Labor?
Reply #100 - Mar 25^th, 2013 at 5:11pm

Infarction wrote on Mar 25^th, 2013 at 5:08pm:

But itsnot the PS. There is a difference..

No tpv's, been over that a bunch of times. That's why I didn't say it was the PS.

What other differences are there in your opinion?

And because it's not the PS - for whatever reason - therefore it's not working

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Infarction Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 509	Re: Why did illegal boat numbers increase under Labor? Reply #101 - Mar 25^th, 2013 at 5:22pm What are the differences in your opinion that make the PS so much better. If you don't actually know, just say that.
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Why did illegal boat numbers increase under Labor? Reply #102 - Mar 25^th, 2013 at 5:56pm Infarction wrote on Mar 25^th, 2013 at 5:22pm: What are the differences in your opinion that make the PS so much better. If you don't actually know, just say that. Apparently it has to be officially named "The Pacific Solution" - and then it will work. That seems to be what Maqqa is saying...
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Re: Why did illegal boat numbers increase under Labor?
Reply #103 - Mar 25^th, 2013 at 6:28pm

Infarction wrote on Mar 25^th, 2013 at 5:22pm:

What are the differences in your opinion that make the PS so much better.

If you don't actually know, just say that.

FFS now you want a dissection of the legislation compared to the 22 Houston Recommendation

FOR WHAT?!

Facts are - it was working and Labor got rid-off it and made the problem bigger

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Re: Why did illegal boat numbers increase under Labor?
Reply #104 - Mar 25^th, 2013 at 7:02pm

So it's confirmed.

Maqqa has absolutely no clue what the differences, if any, actually are except for tpv's which are no deterrent based on the fact the very large majority are not sent home.

It's strange though, one would think that with the amount of months you have been banging on about this issue, you would have at least educated yourself on the issue maqqa.

You now officially have no credibility on this issue.

Well done.

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